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SMS piggy backs on the signal your phone uses to talk with the tower to tell it were it is and that it is receiving a signal.

Text notifications use the regular incoming voice ring paging channel if the phone is not connected in a voice call at the time, or a dedicated forward control channel if it is.

The phone also still has to authenticate itself in order to then receive the text, just as it does for voice calls.

The only added cost for ATT is having a few servers to handle the messages and on the back end it would be like an Email server at most.

It's not just "a few servers". More like hundreds, most likely. Expensive ones, too. :)

We're probably talking about up to 2 billion texts a day on AT&T. During busy hours, perhaps more than a million texts a _minute_, with the target phones having to be found all across the country.

Because they have to use carrier control channels to locate the recipients, that's the control load equivalent of initiating 2 billion phone calls a day, with all the associated extra control server costs.

The text servers not only need to store each message until a delivery confirmation comes back, the servers might need to modify any attached picture sizes. They might also need to talk to email gateways.

The servers would be in multiple locations around the country, with associated building, physical and logical maintenance, electricity, cooling, security and backup power costs.

Phone companies are big, and their use of $100K apiece UNIX servers is huge. So no, texts aren't free to the carrier. That said, there's little doubt that texts must be very profitable.
 
Hey stevetim, I'm not irrate whatsoever. I'm more irrate, well I wouldn't say irrate, maybe frustrated, about how everywhere around my city is 3G and we aren't :-( Hopefully SOON we will get 3G, but every quarter that goes by without it I'm beginning to lose faith :-/ Oh well, still happy with everything else!
 
I just came from the AT&T store. They told me an unlimited everything plan would cost me about $440 for a five iPhone plan. Right now I pay about $300 with basically unlimited everything except one Blackberry doesn't have data, planing on another iPhone when the new one comes out.
 
Price wars are great

I called ATT yesterday to complain about my bill. Without even bothering to listen to me, the customer service lady offered me a $250 credit to begin with. Then she sorted out my problems.

We have 3 iPhones on the 550 Family Plan, a 2G, a 3G and my 3GS. The 2G had been deactivated when I upgraded and later reactivated with a new phone number. Somehow it wasn't pit on the family plan and I paid 2 months of ala carte charges before noticing the problem (I was out of the country)

The overages amounted to Under $80. I got the monthly bill down to $158 plus taxes. It's not unlimited, but still more than we use data and voice (no texting- we use Text plus for free)

oh yeah... she thru in another 1000 voice minutes we'll never use on top of the 900 we have accumulated.

I've been an ATT customer forever (since the '80s) and a stock holder, so I'm happy they are working to keep customers from churning.

To hedge my bets and as a safety I also have a new Verizon MiFi to run my kids Mac Book, our 2 iPod Touches and my windows laptop when away from the house. All cell coverage is holy (full of dead spots) here in rural Vermont. The iPhones can get on the MiFi thru WiFi as well when ATT is TU.
 
Why is this even page 1? Its AT&T, so what!?

Anyone would think AT&T is the exclusive iPhone provider to the entire planet! ( Well, if you american, then you may think the u.s. is the entire planet :) )

Would a headline such as "Vodaphone reduces iPhone contracts by #30" or, "Rogers reduces iPhone contracts by $30" make page 1.

I doubt it.

This is page 2 material, at most.
 
lol

Why is this even page 1? Its AT&T, so what!?

Anyone would think AT&T is the exclusive iPhone provider to the entire planet! ( Well, if you american, then you may think the u.s. is the entire planet :) )

I doubt it.

This is page 2 material, at most.

I love it when people do an anti US post forgetting that Apple is a US company and the majority of iPhone users and members of this site are in the US. BTW I am a Brit who lives in San Francisco.


They don't call this Silicon Valley for nothing. :)
 
Crazy

Why is this even page 1? Its AT&T, so what!?

Anyone would think AT&T is the exclusive iPhone provider to the entire planet! ( Well, if you american, then you may think the u.s. is the entire planet :) )

Would a headline such as "Vodaphone reduces iPhone contracts by #30" or, "Rogers reduces iPhone contracts by $30" make page 1.

I doubt it.

This is page 2 material, at most.

BTW I would be interested if Rogers dropped the price of their plan so I can compare across countries. The UK for instance is a complete rip off with companies knowing they can charge more compared to the US.

It also still amazes me how they get away with charging such high international roaming rates. It is cheaper to buy a pay as go phone in the UK than use my US phone whilst over there.

Crazy.
 
It's there on the site!

I just changed my plan......when you logg into AT&T's site and go to your account,then select change my rate plan.....you will see nation unlimited for 69.99. It says it takes effect instantly...
 
I love it when people do an anti US post forgetting that Apple is a US company and the majority of iPhone users and members of this site are in the US. BTW I am a Brit who lives in San Francisco.


They don't call this Silicon Valley for nothing. :)

There's nothing anti american about my post, its targeted toward a page 1 article relating to AT&T.

@davidbrummy - LOL, Hell will freeze over when Robeltus ( Rogers, Bell, Telus ) is cheaper than any UK carriers!


Canada has one of the most expensive charges in the world, whilst being one of the most profitable carriers in the world. We even have to pay for Voice Mail, and often Caller ID, on average $7 each! "Evening" free calls start at @9pm on Rogers... Don't get me started about the Roger's Bogus "Government Regulatory Recovery Fee" ( its not a government mandatory fee ) that Rogers adds on.

The UK has pretty good cell phone pricing in comparison!
 
It's still overpriced, with T-Mobile (who I get better coverage with in general than the AT&T phone) we can get unlimited talk for $45.99 per month (up to three lines, then it costs more again, but still cheaper than AT&T). We al get unlimited text for up to four lines for $14.99. Although I still maintain that texting is simply a form of data and if you pay for an unlimited data plan it should automatically include unlimited texting.
 
Also got it changed...

Definitely do the change online.

I had originally called in to do it since I was away from the computer and the AT&T rep had absolutely no clue about this recent announcement.

Typical.
 
We have 3 iPhones on the 550 Family Plan, a 2G, a 3G and my 3GS. [...] I got the monthly bill down to $158 plus taxes. It's not unlimited, but still more than we use data and voice (no texting- we use Text plus for free)

Okay, so if I am reading this correctly, you are paying $158 before taxes for a plan that should add up to ... $149.98?

(Family 550 for $59.99 which comes with 2 phones. Add $9.99 for the third = $69.98. Add $30/ea for the 2 3G iPhones for data = $129.98. Add $20 for the iPhone 2G data = $149.98.)

Am I missing something here?

-- Nathan
 
re: texting

What *would* be nice is to see AT&T start applying their "rollover minutes" concept to limited texting plans, though. If I pay for, say, 200 SMS's per month with my iPhone plan and only use 50 one month, I think the other 150 I pre-paid for should roll-over to the next month.

Good luck with that.
 
Okay, so if I am reading this correctly, you are paying $158 before taxes for a plan that should add up to ... $149.98?

(Family 550 for $59.99 which comes with 2 phones. Add $9.99 for the third = $69.98. Add $30/ea for the 2 3G iPhones for data = $129.98. Add $20 for the iPhone 2G data = $149.98.)

Am I missing something here?

-- Nathan

Yeah, what you're missing, and I forgot to add in is Canada plan for $4 on 2 of the phones.
 
wow. so much for the thousands of rollover minutes I've accumulated... looks like those are going down the drain.

Not true... call up ATT and get them to let you keep them. They even added 1000 minutes when I called, in addition to the $250 credit to my account. I'm a happy customer.
 
Might I introduce you both to the private message function of these forums? It would allow you to bicker amongst yourselves without the rest of us needing to wade through it...
Why do you feel offended by that?

I really enjoyed reading what they wrote to so see if I could learn something new.
 
Hey stevetim, I'm not irrate whatsoever. I'm more irrate, well I wouldn't say irrate, maybe frustrated, about how everywhere around my city is 3G and we aren't :-( Hopefully SOON we will get 3G, but every quarter that goes by without it I'm beginning to lose faith :-/ Oh well, still happy with everything else!

OK. Time to get irate. As of Monday(today), the limited minute plans haven't changed in price. Only the unlimited plans have had a price drop.

Hmmm. 1350 minutes for $59.99, or unlimited for $69.99? They could at least make the difference $20 to give the illusion of "value".

I feel for you and the lack of 3G. This is where ATT needs to take a note from the book of internet providers such as Comcast.

I have the 12Mbps(I think) from Comcast and it costs me $55 a month. If I got the next step down service(6Mbps?), it would cost me something like $35 a month.
So, if ATT sells a data plan across the board for $30 a month to iPhone users, that should be the premium service(3G), and there should at least be a $10 discount to those who don't have access to this coverage but have 3G iPhones. Follow?
 
Attention which may not be turning into actual sales, if this report last week is even close to accurate:

http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/...e-phone-sells-a-mere-20000-in-its-first-week/

20,000 in launch week??? Ouch.

Ouch for whom? Doing some simple math:

$500 * 20,000 = $10M

So a product does $10M of sales in a week on a single cell service carrier and somehow it is a failure. Seriously? If the Nexus phones go cash flow positive then it is successful for Google. The company would not be out any money, the Android platform is more viable , and more folks are using Google service ( which is the bread & butter money).

Remember also that there are more affordable Android phones available directly from Tmobile. Success, or not, for now has to be normalized over the number of "higher end" smartphone sales done by Tmobile. If that went up it is a winner.

Granted the sales growth will be slower because many won't buy one until they see/handle one ( $500 is a big leap to make when you haven't touched it at all. ). However, Google's fixed costs are also lower since they outsourced most of the engineering on the phone too ( built to spec by HTC).

There are only 2-3 vendors that sell more personal computers than Apple. However, that other platform as a whole is the bigger winner in the market.
There is no reason why Google by itself has to sell more phones than Apple does to be a success. Besides task #1 would be to kill off Windows Mobile. Not outsell Apple.
 
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