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I currently pay:

$60 iPhone with 550 minutes (of which we use <300 per month)
$10 for flip phone 1
$10 for flip phone 2
$30 for unlimited data on iPhone
-$12 for FAN discount
= $98

Under this new plan:
$40 for 1 GB
$45 for iPhone
$30 for flip phone 1
$30 for flip phone 2
-? discount applies to which of the above?
= $145-$10 (guess for FAN) for unlimited talk and text that I don't need.

I hope they let me stick with what I've got when I get a 4G phone...
 
When my current contract is over, I will most likely switch to Virgin's prepaid plan, assuming they don't lock out SIM cards for international travel. The prices are getting out of hand.
 
Bitching and moaning

I love reading these comments and knowing just how stupid people are. You beg for shared data plans and when the carries give you the option you find something to complain about. If you weren't so busy trying figure out how corporate America (which you would lose your mind if you couldn't have) is screwing you, you might do the smart thing and try to figure out how these new plans will benefit you. You can't compare these plans to what you have now because they are DIFFERENT! Try thinking in a way that's DIFFERENT! It's so apparent that the more people you have on these plans, the cheaper it is. Think about how you can get your family and friends on these plans and add up how much you pay now versus what your plan could be if you combine them together. Think Bout it.
 
Lower phone fee means lower discount

I'll have to wait to see how the FAN discounts shake out but since it includes tethering it may be a better deal for us (depending again on the discount).

On my bill, the discount applies only to the voice plan line. Family plan 700 for $60 = 15% discount of $9.00, I presume my discount will go down and be based on the $40 base on the 1GB plan.

I know there are various discounts so they may not all work the same, so check your bill. (But we are probably on the same, Go Gators!)

After factoring in taxes, my bill is basically identical. We have 2 phones on the older 200MB for $15 plan, so it's a bump up in data and unlimited voice, which isn't really that big of a deal to me. Free tethering is the biggest plus for us.
 
My favorite part about Mac Rumors is the diametrically opposed reactions to stories about AT&T/Verizon and Apple.

If a cell company makes a change to their pricing that may cost you an extra $2, you're ready to burn them to the ground, have congress intervene and call them vile names.

Yet in other posts, (like the recent iPad Mini threads), people have had serious hand wringing that Apple may not get a big enough profit to make the iPad mini a worthwhile product.

People have been asking for shared data for ages. But what they really meant was - create a plan that'll let me share data at a significantly cheaper cost so I can pay you less money.

The plans they released are clearly designed to keep the income stream coming...which is what big companies do. To expect anything different is naive.

Of course this is the same crowd that thinks they have a constitutional right to unlimited $30 for the rest of their life and that it should cover their ever increasing demands for data and speed.
 
In Israel government regulation changes allowed two new companies, with no infrastructure, to piggyback on the current cellular carriers and are offering Unlimited voice, Unlimited text and Unlimited internet for $25/mo! One of them even offers Unlimited calls to the US!

I hope this is a sign of what is possible here in the future if the current monopolies can be broken.
 
These were only really meant to make things easier for the upper echelon and top payers, specifically the people paying for unlimited plans. It was never meant to save the common single person on a budget any money.
 
I love reading these comments and knowing just how stupid people are. You beg for shared data plans and when the carries give you the option you find something to complain about. If you weren't so busy trying figure out how corporate America (which you would lose your mind if you couldn't have) is screwing you, you might do the smart thing and try to figure out how these new plans will benefit you. You can't compare these plans to what you have now because they are DIFFERENT! Try thinking in a way that's DIFFERENT! It's so apparent that the more people you have on these plans, the cheaper it is. Think about how you can get your family and friends on these plans and add up how much you pay now versus what your plan could be if you combine them together. Think Bout it.

I was pondering this and when I read your post I did the math. I may have to talk to my wife and her family and combine. We could pay less than they are paying for 3 unlimited phones and have 6 unlimited phones with 10 gig of data between them.
 
In Israel government regulation changes allowed two new companies, with no infrastructure, to piggyback on the current cellular carriers and are offering Unlimited voice, Unlimited text and Unlimited internet for $25/mo! One of them even offers Unlimited calls to the US!

I hope this is a sign of what is possible here in the future if the current monopolies can be broken.

FYI: List of US MVNO's
 
It's an AT&T MVNO... a part of Tracfone, sold by Wal-mart.

http://www.straighttalk.com/

This is interesting. You have to do a few things to get the iPhone working on it but I guess it could work. Here are the directions I found.

http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Straight_Talk_iPhone

One thing to consider is this:
Even though Straight Talk advertises this plan as being Unlimited, numerous people have been cut off for using a lot of data. Bottom line is do not abuse your data on Straight Talk, if you do, they will close your account or disable your data. It is generally considered safe to use 2GB a month and 100MB a day. You can use My Data Usage Pro (among others) from the Appstore to keep track of your data usage.

I'm not really sure I want to do that. I use data like hell. The other 3 phones would not use nearly as much. (Around 300-500mb per month) The shared data plan is ideal because I would be able to go beyond 3-4GB per month.
 
Never heard of it. Got a link so I can check it out? How's the coverage? Internet speed? Can I use iPhones and all of its features?


www.straighttalk.com

they are an AT&T MVNO. they use AT&T's network like virgin and boost use Sprint's. Cricket uses Verizon's network. once t-mo gets their new frequencies up and running you'll be able to use an unlocked iphone on there for $30 a month as well

only thing is iphone is in the BYOD category and you will have to change the APN file manually and supposedly MMS doesn't work which is a non-issue for imessage. basically you get no support unless you use one of their certified devices. iphone and Galaxy and other nice phones are up to you to configure properly

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This is interesting. You have to do a few things to get the iPhone working on it but I guess it could work. Here are the directions I found.

http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/Straight_Talk_iPhone

One thing to consider is this:


I'm not really sure I want to do that. I use data like hell. The other 3 phones would not use nearly as much. (Around 300-500mb per month) The shared data plan is ideal because I would be able to go beyond 3-4GB per month.

i think its even easier than that since that is an old old wiki

last i heard you just install a new APN file from a server in new zealand and you are good to go. used to be able to edit and create an apn file in iOS 3 but no more
 
I wish I could reduce my voice minutes. The 450 is a waste for me. Odds are if it's not iMessage or email, I'm not interested in talking unless it's in person. Just give me the data!

You can call customer service and ask for the 350 min plan. They don't advertise it, you must ask/demand it.
 
Anyone notice that if you run over your limit, this shared data plan is $15/gb vs. the $10/gb now. My biggest problem with these plans is that they seem to follow no consistent logic that you could get to by looking at the cost of providing a GB of data, and then universally applying it to pricing policy. If they can make a good profit providing 1 GB of data at $10, then why is it all of a sudden 50% more expensive when shared????

And how is it logical to charge the same fee for a dumbphone as a smartphone. I guess we are in the post-dumbphone era. With a family plan, I had been paying I think $10 for a dumbphone added.

I would love to see this shared data to provide an option without unlimited minutes. I think that is what is driving this higher. For me, with 5 phones it comes out to $10 cheaper (before corp discounts) with the new plan, but I get 2G less data (total) and unlimited minutes. Assuming the discounts are similar, I will probably go to the shared plan to be able to pool the data... but we don't use that many minutes... so I'm getting something that I won't use.
 
Not sure which Verizon website you are using, but on mine, when I choose a new Smartphone as a new Customer, all I'm given for plan options is the Share everything plan.

Shop->Smartphones->SGSIII 16GB->Add to cart->New Customer->Zip Code->With Wireless Service->Individual->SGSIII [no idea why you need to do that twice, but from the checkout seems they only charge you for one]->Yes->Next->No->Individual->choose a plan->OH LOOK! $30 for 2GB!
 

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My favorite part about Mac Rumors is the diametrically opposed reactions to stories about AT&T/Verizon and Apple.

If a cell company makes a change to their pricing that may cost you an extra $2, you're ready to burn them to the ground, have congress intervene and call them vile names.

Yet in other posts, (like the recent iPad Mini threads), people have had serious hand wringing that Apple may not get a big enough profit to make the iPad mini a worthwhile product.

People have been asking for shared data for ages. But what they really meant was - create a plan that'll let me share data at a significantly cheaper cost so I can pay you less money.

The plans they released are clearly designed to keep the income stream coming...which is what big companies do. To expect anything different is naive.

Of course this is the same crowd that thinks they have a constitutional right to unlimited $30 for the rest of their life and that it should cover their ever increasing demands for data and speed.


I agree with most of your post about people's reactions, but I do feel that the data prices are way too high here in the states compared to other countries.

I don't understand your comments on this matter. You say this is what companies do, but clearly you are a consumer. Unless you work for one of these companies, why would you be OK with prices NOT coming down? Do you work for one of these companies?
 
problem is are they remove the old plans (aka if you are not grandfathered in or changed your plan you are SOL)

Like VZW plans these are crap. You are paying more for less.

The unlimited minutes is meaningless because I am willing to bet most people here are on the lowest minute plan (or could be on the lowest plan) and still have an insane amount of role over hence the reason why they give this "unlimited" crap.

No they are not removing the old plans, that was my point entirely. Read the last paragraph of the OP again.
 
Great. So no matter what, if I use a shared data plan I pay way more. This is such a great upgrade thanks AT&T!
 
Why do the smartphones cost different depending on data bucket? Each device gets the same unlimited voice/messaging. Each device pools from same "shared data". Why doest it cost more for smaller data buckets? Each phone device should be the same price ($30) regardless of phone type (smart/basic) or data bucket. They are double charging anyone who gets the 1,4, or 6GB bucket.

Why charge for tablets? I already paid for the data. The tablet is not making phone calls or sending out text messages, so why double charge me for the data? $10/month for the privilege of bending over and taking it!

Who needs all these minutes and text messages anyways? Most customers are turning away from using minutes and messaging. So now AT$T and Veri$on roll out plans that "look cheap". However for anyone who rarely talks/messages, it's expensive.

Where's the shared data plan with shared limited minutes and shared limited messaging?

This is what I want:
Pay x$ per shared minute
Pay y$ per shared message
Pay z$ per shared GB of data
Pay 0$ per device (I'm paying for each shared minute, shared message, shared GB)

My final question was alway the case with Veri$on and AT$T: Why not offer an unsubsidized rate? If I bought my phone myself, I would be stupid to ever pay for Veri$on or AT$T. So why, after my contract is up, do they charge the same expensive "subsidized" rate?

Preemptive response: I know you currently have the option of staying with your current plan. However eventually that option won't be there. AT$T and Veri$on is moving into an era of expensive forced minutes/messages.

In my opinion, I don't think anyone will be seeing metered voice minutes or text messages, going forward. For one thing, building up and tearing down voice channels stopped being a negative technological and cost issue likely sometime around 2g/3g deployment. Secondly, text messages were *never* any sort of cost issue, because they always use the device's maintenance channel, which costs the carrier somewhere in the neighborhood of $0.000001/message (I'm exaggerating; I don't know the actual costs, but it can't be that expensive!).

What's the key point that is the make-or-break issue for cellular networks? Data. They (the telcos) have to make money with it, come hell or high water. So, you see what they offer.

Secondly, regarding the cost of devices, phones are expensive. I've heard AT&T wants to increase the "upgrade tax" from $18/line to $36/line, so you're effectively paying upwards of $100 just for the ability to upgrade two phone lines (in my case). I intend to push for as much of a credit as possible against this when we upgrade.

Now, an iPad device is, by definition, cheaper than an iPhone, certainly on an out of contract basis. Notice that you are eating the entire cost of the iPad; AT&T/VZ/whomever are providing the basic communication service (if not wi-fi), and you and I both know they're not leaving any money on the proverbial table, so they're going to charge *something* to have the thing on their network. The only "exception" I see to not pay $10/month for dedicated iPad cellular service is the soon-to-be-included tethering option on iPhones. This would seem to do away with the need to have a dedicated iPad account.

Thirdly, why is AT&T still charging out the wazzoo for data, even if you pay upwards of $800 for an unsubsidized iPhone? Because the only reason they care about the actual cost of the device is if they have to subsidize it, and you still have to pay the "upgrade tax," because that socializes (heh) the subsidization across all users. Further, subsidization of devices has zero to do with data usage. In this respect, all they care about is the fact that your device is taking up spectrum space on their towers. Therefore, you get the same pricing treatment as anyone else does.

It's all data from here on out. We'll see how the entire market reacts to these new pricing plans from the virtual duopoly we call AT&T and Verizon.
 
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