What I meant by "premium" is AT&T will have bandwidth caps like Verizon and now (gasp ) Comcast. Anything over a set amount and you get charged.
Arn,
Can you do a better job of explaining some this?
Your post talks about this HSUPA network begin deployed "on [AT&T's] 3G network."
Does that mean that HSUPA IS the 3G network? Or is it a protocol on the network? Is it the thing that makes the 3G network 3G? From this posting, I just do not know.
What is HSUPA? (and not just what it stands-for.) What is the significance of HSUPA?
Your post uses three acronyms: HSUPA, HSDPA and HSPA, but only tells us what the first one stands for.
This almost looks like a reposting of a AT&T press release without any explanation.
Ken
These caps are usually 5GB a month (for 3G data). I don't have an iphone, let alone a 3G capable phone, so I don't know how reasonable that cap is.
DSL goes up to at least 6.0Mbps down/600k up (residential). That's what I have, and it's really nice to get 600+Kbytes/sec downloads.If you're close to the base station than DSL can be faster than this. I've seen some DSL be up to 3 Mbps
That's low-end DSL.
Considering all the 3G drooling that's going on, I predict that people will be disappointed with the speed once the 3G iPhone comes out, because (1) 3G is still slow (much better than EDGE, but still slow), and (2) the iPhone's processor is slow (and I haven't seen any rumors regarding a processor speed increase).
I have a somewhat fast DSL line (6.0mbps down, 600k up) with wifi, and I think the iPhone is only marginally usable in terms of speed (wifi, of course). Since AT&T's 3G is significantly slower than my DSL line, I'm definitely not excited about 3G (and please note that AT&T's 3G coverage is significantly less than EDGE).
Of course, there could be other features in the new iPhone that'll make me drool, but 3G is nowhere on my list. 😎
DSL goes up to at least 6.0Mbps down/600k up (residential). That's what I have, and it's really nice to get 600+Kbytes/sec downloads.
True, no argument there.Well at least 3G removes the network as the bottleneck.
The processor can get only so much faster without taking a toll on battery life. It's a pocketable device. You're gonna have to make some compromises somewhere.
800 Kbps up (100K/s up)
1.4 Mbps down (175K/s down)
Not as good as Cable, probably comparable or better than DSL.
In reality though, it sucked big time. I recently was travelling and bought a laptop connect card and 3G connectivity was spotty at the best and even when connected at 3G speeds the latency was higher than DSL or Cable.
On top of that the driver provided for the express card was so unreliable - 5-6 kernel panics in a day's use. Deeply unfunny.
Hopefully it will get better with 3G iPhones.
Same here. I live in Omaha, and use Qwest for my DSL. I'm paying for their 7mbps/768kbps plan. But in reality, I get more in the range of 8-9mbps down, and over 1mbps up. I'm not sure where in relation to the base node I am, but I'm very pleased with the speeds. The 1.5mbps that I see people quote all the time for DSL speed is basically the slowest you can get around here as far as DSL.Actually, my local DSL carrier is upgrading their 'DSL Max' plan to 1Mbit up, 10 Mbit download speeds...
Out of curiosity, would anyone happen to know which frequencies AT&T is using?In reality though, it sucked big time. I recently was travelling and bought a laptop connect card and 3G connectivity was spotty at the best and even when connected at 3G speeds the latency was higher than DSL or Cable.
what do you mean latency was higher than DSL or Cable?
Arn,
Can you do a better job of explaining some this?
in europe we have had video calling since 3G networks were launched, and it doesn't use HSUPA. i don't know exactly how it works, but i think the video is sent like a call rather than like data over an internet connection, and will be billed by the minute rather than by the amount of data send. you ring someone on their normal phone number, you just choose an option on your phone for video call rather than normal call. the majority of 3G phones (but not all) support it, and all 3G networks i can think of in Europe support it, but few people use it as it's expensive and to be honest there isn't much of a demand - however lots of phone manufacturers add it, since in europe most people buy their phones subsidised through carrier and carriers are more likely to subsidise a phone by more if it supports features they think will make them more money, like video calling. if the 3G iphone does support video calling, it seems likely to me that it will do it through this feature of the 3G network rather than as a data connection over HSUPA, since most 3G network outside the US already support video calling in this way.
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_calling#Current_use for a picture of a 3G phone in europe making a video call, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS#Features where it talks of how the UMTS standard - ie. the version of 3G that AT&T uses but without the addiction of any HS... etc. features that speed it up - supports video conferencing)
Sorry if it wasn't clear. someone else mentioned it.
But they've added 3G upload (HSUPA) to their network in all the places they had 3G download (HSDPA), meaning a "complete" HSPA network.
I tweaked it a little to see if it's easier to understand.
arn
AT&T has half way video calls. They just would have to enable both ways. They use similar means as you described.
Of course Quantico, VA gets no love 🙁
Arn,
Can you do a better job of explaining some this?
Your post talks about this HSUPA network begin deployed "on [AT&T's] 3G network."
Does that mean that HSUPA IS the 3G network? Or is it a protocol on the network? Is it the thing that makes the 3G network 3G? From this posting, I just do not know.
What is HSUPA? (and not just what it stands-for.) What is the significance of HSUPA?
Your post uses three acronyms: HSUPA, HSDPA and HSPA, but only tells us what the first one stands for.
This almost looks like a reposting of a AT&T press release without any explanation.
Ken