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Not confusing anything. My 10GB plan is $135 per month. I expect that to remain the same in Feb 2015 when I sign up for another 2 years of commitment and pay $499 for the subsidized phone, just like I have been doing for the last 6 years. However, that is now not the case.
I'm assuming you got a discount switching to the 10GB $135 MSVP. AT&T was pretty clear when you switched that you lose whatever discount they're giving you when you sign a new 2-year contract (at least the website was). You're already getting a discount and yet you still want ATT to give you subsidy. Unfortunately, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
Why is something as simple as buying a cell phone turning into something as complicated and confusing as buying a used car from a dealer? So many different ways to configure the numbers. Get it this way, get it that way, pay this, pay that, you can't get this but we (AT&T) think that is better. It was much easier a few years ago. Phone, contact for 2 years and done!
 
AT&T was pretty clear when you switched that you lose whatever discount they're giving you when you sign a new 2-year contract (at least the website was). You're already getting a discount and yet you still want ATT to give you subsidy. Unfortunately, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

And who's side are you on? "AT&T was pretty clear", HA, that was never ever mentioned in the store when the dude pushed this MVSP. Being buried on the website doesn't do much at that point, so that's an irrelevant comment. I think your eyes need opening, we get SUBSIDIZED for committing to a two year contract, which gives them a guarantee of income. If they do a MVSP with a "discount" then great, but that should have zero affect on trading a $350 subsidy for the two-year commitment. The MVSP discount has nothing to do with it.

"AT&T was pretty clear". Uh HUH.
 
I upgraded this morning using AT&T Next since I switched to the Mobile Share earlier this year and wanted to keep my $25 discount. Anyway, this is my question (since I upgrade every iteration), when it comes to next year when I upgrade again... when do I turn in my iPhone 6, if I choose not to pay it off? Do I have to turn it in before I can upgrade or can I do it at the same time? Then, if I neglect to, AT&T will just charge me for "keeping" the phone?
 
That's utter BS. You can buy the phone or any phone at retail and it will not affect your current rate/plan.

Just spoke with At&t to confirm my upgrade eligibility for tonight's preorder. The rep was really pushing the Next program, which I have not been interested in since I have been able to toggle my upgrades yearly between my different lines (keeping some with older models longer), plus I've been able to sell my old iphone on the open market for at least the cost of my new phone.

This year is different. Firstly, I have to pay the $40 upgrade fee, but I also found out today that if you do not choose the Next option, your bill will automatically increase an additional $25/month per line that you upgrade.
 
They are offering a $100 bill credit for opening an additional Next line. Could you get this by canceling a line and re-opening?
 
Why is something as simple as buying a cell phone turning into something as complicated and confusing as buying a used car from a dealer? So many different ways to configure the numbers. Get it this way, get it that way, pay this, pay that, you can't get this but we (AT&T) think that is better. It was much easier a few years ago. Phone, contact for 2 years and done!
To be honest, that 2-year contract and $450 subsidy is what's causing all this confusion now.

US people think the iPhone only costs $199-499. It doesn't. Carriers just subsidized it in return for at least $1,440 revenue over 2 years meaning they make ~$500 per line per year (minus network maintenance and other operating costs). Now, they've given folks a discount on their monthly plans and only get $960 revenue over 2 years. However, people still want carriers to pay the $450 subsidy. If they do that, they would only be making ~$250 per line per year (minus network maintenance and other operating costs).
 
To be honest, that 2-year contract and $450 subsidy is what's causing all this confusion now.

US people think the iPhone only costs $199-499. It doesn't. Carriers just subsidized it in return for at least $1,440 revenue over 2 years meaning they make ~$500 per line per year (minus network maintenance and other operating costs). Now, they've given folks a discount on their monthly plans and only get $960 revenue over 2 years. However, people still want carriers to pay the $450 subsidy. If they do that, they would only be making ~$250 per line per year (minus network maintenance and other operating costs).

I've been getting a premier discount. Is that the discount I'll stop getting. Also I pay 39.99 for nations 450 roll over. I've been getting a discount on that?
 
I think the fallacy here is that some people think AT&T has been paying for half of your phone, in exchange for your business. The reality is, AT&T has always charged a subsidy to pay back the "discount" they gave you for the phone. That's why you sign a 2-yr agreement, to ensure you pay back $600 ($25x24 months). It was just hidden in the monthly charges.

With the Value Shared Plans, they forgave your contract, and removed the $25/mo subsidy. It's a savings to you, unless you want another discount on a phone, then you have to start paying the $25/mo again. Pretty simple.
 
Does anyone know if there is anyway to change from an already order iPhone at the subsidized price to one on the Next plan? I'm guessing it requires returning the phone and waiting for AT&T to place the upgrade back on the account.
 
Does anyone know if there is anyway to change from an already order iPhone at the subsidized price to one on the Next plan? I'm guessing it requires returning the phone and waiting for AT&T to place the upgrade back on the account.

This is what I'd like to know. It was really not clear when changing from unlimited data to the Family Share plan that the discount would be lost if I chose to use a 2 year contract instead of Next. The sales rep was super pushy and insisted there was no downside. In my family, not everyone is interested in always getting a new phone every 2 years, so I or another member would use one of their upgrades.

Now that the discount is dependent on not getting subsidized phones, that makes that practice basically useless. If the sales rep had told us that we could only use Next for all of our future phone upgrades, I don't think it would have been worth the cost of losing unlimited data.

Either way, I doubt they'll change all of our lines back to unlimited, so I'd like to know if it's possible to change from the 2 year contract to Next on an iPhone 6 I just ordered, or if that's going to be a big hassle requiring me to return the phone and then wait weeks for it to come back in stock so I can order it via Next.
 
Not sure about this

I've had a shared data plan with AT&T for awhile. I got it about a month after it came out. About 2 months ago, my wife's 4s crapped out on her, so we upgraded her to the 5s. We of course had the upgrade fee, but our bill remained the same. So unless they changed something recently, I don't think it will go up. Correct me if I'm wrong
 
My AT&T/NEXT Math

One thing I have realized from this thread is that I screwed myself over by sticking with the older Mobile Share (non-Value) plan for the past six months...

Here is my math on the Service and iPhone costs per month and over 12 or 24 months vs current and vs not getting an iPhone. It's a no-brainer for me to change from our current 4gb Mobile Share (non-Value) plan to the 2gb Mobile Share Value plan as my wife and I average just shy of 2gb of use per month. Even in a worst case scenario of going over each month by 500mb, we still save over the current plan. Even the 24% FAN discount doesn't seem to play that big a role anymore...

To clarify, columns are:
1 - current 4gb plan
2 - swap to 4gb mobile share value
3 - change to 2gb mobile share value
4 - change to 2gb mobile share value and go over by less than 1gb
5 - change to 2gb mobile share value and go over by less than 2gb
6 - change to 2gb mobile share value and buy iPhone 6 prepaid (299)
7 - change to 2gb mobile share value and go over by less than 1gb and buy iPhone 6 prepaid (299)

As for the iPhone, it seems like a no-brainer to go with the Next 12 plan.
I have the 2 year prepaid vs Next 12 vs Next 18 at 12/18/24 months.

Below the cost of the iPhones, I have totals for Service and Phone and cost differences compared to not buying an iPhone for 12-24 months. Even getting a new iPhone 6 now and swapping for a new iPhone 6s in 12 months looks like a better deal than prepaying for the iPhone 6 and staying with it for 24 months.

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*I should point out that I actually went with the prepaid option initially and have it ready for in store pickup on 9/19. Spoke to an AT&T rep who told me I could change to NEXT at the time of pickup. Hope she was right...
 

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I have the family share 10gb plan and this was my chat this morning with ATT. Not sure if it will help anyone here with their questions, but maybe it will.
I also had 2 of my phones with unlimited data grandfathered before I changed to the family share.
 

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Everyone should calculate your costs over 24 months.

Next can be a savings, especially if you have multiple lines and at least 10GB of data.

However, be careful because there are scenarios where the 2yr contract will be less over 2 years than Next.

For us we only have 2 lines and only the 2GB data plan. Even with the upgrade fees, over 2 years the 2yr contract is cheaper than Next. Also we don't care about upgrading early.....if you do then go with Next.

-Kevin
 
You're right Kevin. Realized I really should have separated service from iPhone (with exception of that monthly fee they tack on now). I finally did the math where I could find a flaw in the Next pricing. This assumes selling iPhone at end of 2 years for $250 (which I've done with every other upgrade to date) but obviously not doing that with the Next plans. Now I need to decide if the iPhone 6 is actually worth $450...

Correct me if I'm wrong on the math.
 

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Best Explanation of the Next Program I have seen

I can't take credit for this myself but it helped me understand the program the best. I hope this can help others.

Okay let's clear some stuff up for everyone who is curious about how the ATT Next system works.


A. IF YOU HAVE A CURRENT 2 YR CONTRACT ON THE LINE YOU WANT TO UPGRADE:

-- If you started the contract ON OR BEFORE JANUARY 18, 2014: You are eligible to upgrade to ATT Next on this line right now. This also applies if your contract is over. This will 1. End the remainder of your 2 year contract for this line, if any exists 2. Have NO ETFs for this line 3. Give you complete ownership of the device on this line that is now OUT of contract. Sell as you please and profit. :)

-- If you started the contract AFTER JANUARY 18, 2014:You cannot upgrade to ATT Next until 20 months have passed on your 2 year contract. That is 1 Year, 8 months for anyone counting. So, if you signed up on January 19, 2014, you're looking at September 20, 2015. How unfortunate. This is the only real nitpick I have with ATT upgrade eligibility to the Next plan, as this is a long time to wait.


Overview of ATT Next:

-- You can either have the ATT 12 Month Plan or the ATT 18 Month Plan

The way it works for current and future ATT Next lines is this:
The 12 month plan is comprised of 20 payments, and the 18 month plan is comprised of 24 payments This is the cost of the phone (without tax) divided into 20 or 24 even parts over 20 or 24 months, depending on which plan (12 or 18) you have on this line. The 12 or 18 months refers to earliest upgrade period, so after 12 or 18 months, you can upgrade to a new phone without any money down (besides taxes on the new phone).

B. IF YOU HAVE A CURRENT AT&T NEXT PLAN ON THE LINE YOU WANT TO UPGRADE AND HAVE MADE THE ONLY THE MINIMUM PAYMENTS (12 or 18 months' worth)

At this point where you reach 12 or 18 months, you are required to trade in your phone to complete your eligibility for a new ATT Next upgrade. Everyone is whining about how the phone "isn't really yours". This is because you haven't paid it off yet! Remember how the 12 month plan has 20 months of payments and the 18 month plan has 24 months of payments? Well, after 12 months of payments on the former plan, you still have 8 payments left to make, so ATT is saying, "look, we will waive the last 8 payments if you trade the phone in". Say the payment is $32.50 (I will list general pricing per month below). You have paid 12 months * $32.50 = $390 and still owe 8 months * $32.50 = $260. Total cost is *gasp* $649! That sounds familiar! Yes, that is the retail price of a $199 iPhone, ladies and gentlemen. No ripoff here. If you wait until after you make your 20 payments (if you have the 12 month plan) or 24 payments (if you have the 18 month plan, you then own the phone. At this point, if you choose a new ATT Next phone for this line, you do not have to trade in your old device. Understood? Good. Moving on.

Now, let's say -
C. IF YOU HAVE A CURRENT AT&T NEXT PLAN ON THE LINE YOU WANT TO UPGRADE AND HAVE NOT YET MADE THE MINIMUM PAYMENTS (Less than the 12 or 18 months' worth, depending on your plan)
You can log on to your ATT account via their website and use the options available to make some choices:
PAY TO UPGRADE THIS DEVICE option. You will pay the remainder of your minimum monthly payments up to and including the 12th/18th month, which will immediately deem you "upgrade eligible". So, if you paid 10 months out of your 12, you will owe $32.50 * 2 months = $65.00. After that, you trade in your phone and proceed with a new upgrade as normal.

PAY OFF THIS DEVICE option. Self explanatory. This is the remaining amount of money you owe on the phone (so it would be all payments through the 20th/24th month rather than 12th/18th month). If you made 10 payments on a 12 month Next plan and want to keep your current phone but also upgrade, then you will owe 20 months - 10 months = 10 months * $32.50 = $325.00. You will then OWN the phone and can proceed with a new ATT Next upgrade without trading it in.

D. IF YOU HAVE A CURRENT AT&T NEXT PLAN ON THE LINE YOU WANT TO UPGRADE AND HAVE MADE THE MINIMUM PAYMENTS BUT HAVE NOT PAID OFF THE PHONE (More than 12/18 but less than 20/24 months, depending on your plan)
You can either 1. Surrender your phone and upgrade. You made an extra few payments of $32.50 that you won't get back. Oh well.

2. Make the remaining payments via the website with the PAY OFF THIS DEVICE option: If you made 18 payments on a 12 month Next plan and want to keep your current phone but also upgrade, then you will owe 20 months - 18 months = 2 months * $32.50 = $65.00. You will then OWN the phone and can proceed with a new ATT Next upgrade without trading it in.

The $32.50 I keep referencing, again, is for a '$199' phone, i.e. the entry level iPhone 6 with a retail cost of $649.00. Remember 649/32.50 = 19.999 aka 20.

So, here we go with pricing:

ATT Next 12 Month Plan (12 months of payments to trade in, 20 months of payments to own):
16 GB iPhone 6: $32.50/mo
64 GB iPhone 6: $37.50/mo
128 GB iPhone 6: $42.50/mo
16 GB iPhone 6 Plus: $37.50/mo
64 GB iPhone 6 Plus: $42.50/mo
128 GB iPhone 6 Plus: $47.50/mo

The ATT 18 numbers aren't quite as exact a science as the 12, but these are pulled from ATT and are valid:

ATT Next 18 month Plan (18 months of payments to trade in, 24 months of payments to own):
16 GB iPhone 6: $27.09/mo
64 GB iPhone 6: $31.25/mo
128 GB iPhone 6: $35.42/mo
16 GB iPhone 6 Plus: $31.25/mo
64 GB iPhone 6 Plus: $35.42/mo
128 GB iPhone 6 Plus: $39.59/mo

Now, all of this is just for the cost of the phone alone. It does not include service costs, which are separate and are beyond the scope of this discussion. You can save some serious coin with ATT Next and Mobile Share though, (on the tune of $15/month per line for 6-9.99 gb and $25/month per line for 10gb and greater).

This being said I decided to go with the Next 18 and keep my phone for the full 24 months. This allows me to keep the same upgrade every 2 years and I still get to keep my phone and sell it in the end. I found for my plan pricing the next has a lower cost for me if I make all the payments and sell my phone in the end.
 
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This is what I'd like to know. It was really not clear when changing from unlimited data to the Family Share plan that the discount would be lost if I chose to use a 2 year contract instead of Next. The sales rep was super pushy and insisted there was no downside. In my family, not everyone is interested in always getting a new phone every 2 years, so I or another member would use one of their upgrades.

Now that the discount is dependent on not getting subsidized phones, that makes that practice basically useless. If the sales rep had told us that we could only use Next for all of our future phone upgrades, I don't think it would have been worth the cost of losing unlimited data.

Either way, I doubt they'll change all of our lines back to unlimited, so I'd like to know if it's possible to change from the 2 year contract to Next on an iPhone 6 I just ordered, or if that's going to be a big hassle requiring me to return the phone and then wait weeks for it to come back in stock so I can order it via Next.

When I talked with ATT this morning about changing my order, she said I would need to have Apple do it because I ordered them there, but that Apple should be able to change it over for me.
That being said I might wait until I get a notice saying they have shipped because I don't want to risk my order being canceled.
 
You're right Kevin. Realized I really should have separated service from iPhone (with exception of that monthly fee they tack on now). I finally did the math where I could find a flaw in the Next pricing. This assumes selling iPhone at end of 2 years for $250 (which I've done with every other upgrade to date) but obviously not doing that with the Next plans. Now I need to decide if the iPhone 6 is actually worth $450...

Correct me if I'm wrong on the math.

Here's how I see your scenario, assuming under 10GB data and 1 iPhone 6 64GB at either:
- $299 + $40 upgrade
- $37.50/month for Next 12
- $31.25/month Next 18

Data costs are the constant....doesn't matter what you choose for a plan, data is the same for both.


Next 12 pricing over a 2 year contract (data not included assuming under 10GB data plan):

$0 down (except taxes for the phone)
$37.50 * 20 months = $750
$25.00 line fee * 24 months = $600
Total after 24 months = $1,350


Next 18 pricing over a 2 year contract (data not included assuming under 10GB data plan):

$0 down (except taxes for the phone)
$31.25 * 24 months = $750
$25.00 line fee * 24 months = $600
Total after 24 months = $1,350

Next 12 or 18 over a 2 year period will equal the same total paid. The only difference comes in when you can upgrade and either pay off the phone or trade it in.


2 year contract pricing (data not included assuming under 10GB data plan):

$299 one time fee for the phone
$40 one time upgrade fee
$40.00 line fee * 24 months = $960
Total after 24 months = $1,299


So you save just a little on a 2yr contract....not much, but a little.


If you were to instead have a 10GB+ data plan, then things change a little more in favor of Next:

Next 12 pricing over a 2 year contract (data not included assuming 10GB+ data plan):

$0 down (except taxes for the phone)
$37.50 * 20 months = $750
$15.00 line fee * 24 months = $360
Total after 24 months = $1,110


Next 18 pricing over a 2 year contract (data not included assuming 10GB+ data plan):

$0 down (except taxes for the phone)
$31.25 * 24 months = $750
$15.00 line fee * 24 months = $360
Total after 24 months = $1,110

Next 12 or 18 over a 2 year period will equal the same total paid. The only difference comes in when you can upgrade and either pay off the phone or trade it in.


2 year contract pricing (data not included assuming 10GB+ data plan):

$299 one time fee for the phone
$40 one time upgrade fee
$40.00 line fee * 24 months = $960
Total after 24 months = $1,299


You can see where Next really starts to benefit when you go 10GB of more on data, since the 2yr contract doesn't change no matter what your data.

And people need to remember, with Next you own the phone after either the 20/24 months of payments (or if you prepay early).

If you for example went with Next 12, and each year traded in your phone right after 12 months....AT&T over the course of 2 years is technically making more money because you end up paying 24 months worth of payment on 2 phones. I think most people say if you are going get a new phone after 12 months, you are probably better off paying off the balance, and selling the phone yourself.

-Kevin
 
I've had a shared data plan with AT&T for awhile. I got it about a month after it came out. About 2 months ago, my wife's 4s crapped out on her, so we upgraded her to the 5s. We of course had the upgrade fee, but our bill remained the same. So unless they changed something recently, I don't think it will go up. Correct me if I'm wrong
Those are the old Mobile Share Plans. I think AT&T introduced the Mobile Share Value Plans around Feb or March of this year. The new plans give you a $15-25 discount for every line not on contract.
 
So the Next costs you $190 less BUT you have to turn your phone in when you get a new one and are essentially getting $190 for it whereas if you sold it yourself, you could get quite a bit more.

No you don't. If you've paid it off in full then you can keep it/sell it yourself. The trade-in is only required if you want to upgrade every year/before you've paid off the phone, and that makes sense. Just like how you can't get another subsidy after a year because they haven't recouped the subsidy amount yet.
 
Also generally Next plans will have a higher monthly cost because you were paying for both the phone and the service.

This of course is only for people who are conscious of how much they need to pay on a month-to-month basis as opposed to how much the overall cost is over two years.

-Kevin
 
This is exactly right! AT&T as well as the rest of the providers will be increasing your monthly bill by at least $25 when you decide to renew your contract and get your shiny new iphone 6 that we all have been waiting for. What a joke!

They thought they were slick when they introduced their new "Next" plan. Another scam. They should call it the "sucker" plan. Pay close to $30 per month to basically rent a phone.

Ok, so you don't want to rent our phone? No problem we'll just take away the previously monthly discount we gave you so now you pay $25 per month extra.

We wonder why this country is so broke... We're drowning in monthly bills. No one cares. If you want to do something, call your provider and complain... Complain until your sick of hearing yourself complain. I just hung up with AT&T and told them how I feel. I let them know that I'm upset about this!!

We are at their mercy... I just recently got my bill down to an acceptable monthly cost per month and now it goes up again. I thought the reason they give us a discount on the price was to renew our contracts? Not anymore...
 
We wonder why this country is so broke... We're drowning in monthly bills. No one cares. If you want to do something, call your provider and complain... Complain until your sick of hearing yourself complain. I just hung up with AT&T and told them how I feel. I let them know that I'm upset about this!!

We are at their mercy... I just recently got my bill down to an acceptable monthly cost per month and now it goes up again. I thought the reason they give us a discount on the price was to renew our contracts? Not anymore...
Complaining isn't really going to do jack. As long as you're subscribed to them, you're still giving them money to pay their lobbyists. Cancel your AT&T plan and switch to a different carrier or go prepaid.

Besides, did you really think AT&T gave you those discounts out of the goodness of their shrivelled black heart? :rolleyes:
 
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