Athlon X2 Declared "BEST CPU IN THE WORLD"

[jiggie2g]

My recent experiences with XP Pro SP2 have been nothing of the sort. I was amazed and also disappointed to see how little Windows has come on since '95 & '98. I'd even prefer to use Win2000 which I do every day on the office PC sitting next to my dual 2.5 G5.

I guess it depends on how high you set the bar...

i don't get why people here have such a hard time with XP, my PC works perfectly. You just have to maintain it, keep it free from spyware , viruses, and bloatware to a minimum. have a Proper firewall, use Firefox + Thunderbird. Don't use Norton that stuff will drag your PC.

I see it like this Mac is like a expensive but very well built European car that needs no extras (Audi or Volkswagon), while PC is like a Japanese car that may be of lesser quality and price but you can make an infinite number of modifications because of a large after market to make a killer PC (Nissan or Mazda).

 

[PlaceofDis]

i don't get why people here have such a hard time with XP, my PC works perfectly. You just have to maintain it, keep it free from spyware , viruses, and bloatware to a minimum. have a Proper firewall, use Firefox + Thunderbird. Don't use Norton that stuff will drag your PC.

yes and i dont need to be bothered keeping up with all that stuff, i want a maching that works and doesnt need to be constantaly kept on tabs, Macs work plain and simple, PCs need way too much maintenence, to the point where it is unacceptable to me at least. XP works sometimes sure, but really you shouldnt have to do all that just to keep your machine functioning

 

[jiggie2g]

Perhaps I should spell it out for you: A M D F A N B O Y.
Sure it's a good processor, but the way you are obsessing over it is quite...ludicrous, really.

Coming from a Mac Zealot I will take that as a complement. Now go back to praying to that 40ft statue of George W. in your backyard.

yes and i dont need to be bothered keeping up with all that stuff, i want a maching that works and doesnt need to be constantaly kept on tabs, Macs work plain and simple, PCs need way too much maintenence, to the point where it is unacceptable to me at least. XP works sometimes sure, but really you shouldnt have to do all that just to keep your machine functioning

most of that stuff I mentioned works automatically i program it to do all my scanning when i'm at work or asleep. So I never notice it. the rest is just common sense , don't open spam , don't use kazza , block pop ups.

I will not argure OSX is KING , yes i said it. However people here who bash XP the most really just don't have any real technical savvy. It's not nearly as complicated as Linux with it's 1 million distro's

 

[blitzkrieg79]

Apple can't just switch hardware architecture's at will. They would have to rewrite OSX and companies would have to rewrite programs over again , that will not happen. Plus everyone here wpuld have to buy a new mac. If that's the case they just might as well go x86. from what I read about cell on Anandtech it dosen't seem to be an ideal CPU for the kind of complex OS's that desktops use. Consoles use very simple OS's do not require all the extra processes that say an OSX or XP would.

Who says anything about switching? Every heard of an idea called a coprocessor? SIngle dual core Powermac with a Cell-like coprocessor and its not as difficult as some sites made it to be...

And yes Cell is for simpler more specialized devices but Apple would benefit from it if it was used along side a regular processor especially with audio/video production (isnt that was MACs are for?)...

And as far as Mac OS X/Darwin goes, Apple has probably the best consumer OS on the plante right now, even the next gen console will need some kind of an OS and why would SONY want to invest money in OS development when for probably fraction of the cost they can "borrow" Darwin and go from there... Processor research and development is difficult but in my eyes developing a great OS is even more difficult...

 

[PlaceofDis]

Coming from a Mac Zealot I will take that as a complement. Now go back to praying to that 40ft statue of George W. in your backyard.



most of that stuff I mentioned works automatically i program it to do all my scanning when i'm at work or asleep. So I never notice it. the rest is just common sense , don't open spam , don't use kazza , block pop ups.

I will not argure OSX is KING , yes i said it. However people here who bash XP the most really just don't have any real technical savvy. It's not nearly as complicated as Linux with it's 1 million distro's

i am by no means an Zealot, and i know that wasnt directed at me either, and i agree that XP is much better for the average user than many/most/almost all Linux distros, but you still have to have some savvy when working with XP, it just doesnt offer the ease of use as OS X. my parents use XP, and while its not the worst thing in the world like ME, they still run into problems for me to fix, if i could get them on OS X things would be simpler, they would have to adjust sure, but they would also have less worries about making sure that everything is running smoothly, btw, if i may ask what do you use to keep XP running well? might be something i can get my 'rents to use, might make my life easier too

 

[calyxman]

These tests speak volumes and thumbs up to AMD for beating the path and leaving IBM and Intel in the dust. Cupertino, you better take note. I'm expecting mobile dual cores to be hitting the notebook line sooner or later, and if the Powerbooks still remain on a single G4, I will kiss the mac platform goodbye on my next notebook purchase.

This ranting about Windows XP is nothing more than seething hatred at MS, it's almost like a sacrilege to their mac loyalty to say anything nice about a Microsot product. Which is fine, but it gets in the way of truth. I run two XP machines and never had the OS crash once. My laptop goes in and out of standby and hibernation, and never once did I have to do a cold boot since I last installed some Office updates a week and a half ago. Sure I had apps that crashed such as Firefox, but the same crap happens on a Mac.

 

[Blue Velvet]

This ranting about Windows XP is nothing more than seething hatred at MS, it's almost like a sacrilege to their mac loyalty to say anything nice about a Microsot product. Which is fine, but it gets in the way of truth. I run two XP machines and never had the OS crash once.

No. Your experience may not match others... I was open-minded about it for a couple of weeks on a brand-new machine, no web access so no virus protection or firewall necessary. Just a couple of 3rd-party commercial apps, no hacks. It was a constantly crashing ugly awkward inflexible POS.

It's now made way for a dual 2ghz PM... no wonder our IT team won't touch XP. As I said Win2000 seems far more stable but it still is an ugly frustrating computing experience.

What you guys don't seem to get is that for most people, the OS is the computer.

 

[jiggie2g]

These tests speak volumes and thumbs up to AMD for beating the path and leaving IBM and Intel in the dust. Cupertino, you better take note. I'm expecting mobile dual cores to be hitting the notebook line sooner or later, and if the Powerbooks still remain on a single G4, I will kiss the mac platform goodbye on my next notebook purchase.

This ranting about Windows XP is nothing more than seething hatred at MS, it's almost like a sacrilege to their mac loyalty to say anything nice about a Microsot product. Which is fine, but it gets in the way of truth. I run two XP machines and never had the OS crash once. My laptop goes in and out of standby and hibernation, and never once did I have to do a cold boot since I last installed some Office updates a week and a half ago. Sure I had apps that crashed such as Firefox, but the same crap happens on a Mac.

Thank You Calyxman, My Old iMac Crashed quite a few times with Panther. An the people here bashing XP with out any real justification do nothing but further expose them selves for what they are ........Fanatics. Just like the Christian Right...who are Americas version of the Shiite Muslim.

And for that Mini Max/Mini Me Loser who called me an AMD Fanboy , Yea I am a fan of AMD , Simply because over the years they have offered greats products at an outstanding value compared to Intel. But when they screw up or lagg behind I wil give them a motivational kick in the ass to get them moving quicker. I won't worship them and call thier CEO Hector Ruiz Infallible ...which is what the Maz Zealots do with Apple and Steve Jobs.

 

[Blue Velvet]

Thank You Calyxman, My Old iMac Crashed quite a few times with Panther. An the people here bashing XP with out any real justification do nothing but further expose them selves for what they are ........Fanatics. Just like the Christian Right...who are Americas version of the Shiite Muslim.

Listening to the two of you is surreal.

You come on a Mac forum and seem to expect people to be swept up by this stuff. Nothing personal but just flip the situation around: imagine a few posters from here cruising into a PC forum and raving about the latest Macs. They'd get flamed to within an inch of their lives... strong feelings exist on both sides.

I appreciate that this is interesting news to many people but because of the nature of this forum don't expect people to feel that warmly about it and just calling us fanatics is only likely to make people feel more hostile.

To me, what often makes these converstions shallow and sterile is the complete lack of interest displayed towards what you actually do with these machines (apart from gaming, usually)

For most people here, I would wager that their Macs are a means to an end, to produce something, to improve their lives in some way. Endless discussions about the minutiae of PC motherboards is as fascinating to the majority of us as talking about the inner-most workings of a car... interesting to a point but where is that car taking you?

So don't be too ready to dismiss others as fanatics while simultaneously displaying a blinkered view of the world yourself.

 

[ravenvii]

What you guys don't seem to get is that for most people, the OS is the computer.

Exactly. That's how it's supposed to be - how you USE the computer should come before how fast the computer's hardware is.

 

[Mav451]

Remember this guys (both for BlueVelvet and jiggie2g):

The people who have problems, complain about it loudly. I have posted, since last year about the blatant instability of the 2.0G5's at my university. On the other hand, the other 90% who don't have problems, don't complain.

Ditto with the PC. Most of the people I know do not have as extreme problems with XP as the "knowledgeable" Mac user does. Which is ironic, since many Mac users claim that their knowledge of the "traumatic" XP experience makes them experts.

Again, lots of people (believe it or not) get by JUST fine on Dells. Other get by just fine on home-builts. You never hear their complaints b/c they don't have any. Now, the people who do (minority) will yell/kick/scream at the top of their lungs. You gotta remember that intensity/zealotry does not necessitate an accurate representation of the majority.

All of my friends are doing just fine on XP SP2, and some of them are the most air-headed people you will ever meet (they're not geeks after all). And it only makes it more comical when Mac fans insist that XP SP2 crashes constantly.

 

[calyxman]

No. Your experience may not match others... I was open-minded about it for a couple of weeks on a brand-new machine, no web access so no virus protection or firewall necessary. Just a couple of 3rd-party commercial apps, no hacks. It was a constantly crashing ugly awkward inflexible POS.

Uhh, no, I'd have to disagree, you're experience doesn't match the majority of Windows users. And everybody has varying degrees of experience both in the Windows and Mac platforms.

Do you browse the OS X forums at all? Here's an example. Remember the days of 10.0? The unstoppable beach ball? Kernel panics? "Unexpectedly quit[ting]" apps such as Mail, iTunes, etc.? What is it, you guys have short term memory or something? Classic bugs, OS 9 freeze ups, I mean the list goes on.

It's now made way for a dual 2ghz PM... no wonder our IT team won't touch XP. As I said Win2000 seems far more stable but it still is an ugly frustrating computing experience.

What you guys don't seem to get is that for most people, the OS is the computer.

Yeah and that's why most people run Windows machines, is that what you're trying to say?

I mean seriously, I'm not trying to turn this into a flame war, but when I start seeing comments like "Windoze sucks" and "Windows is POS os" along with broke "s" keys that produce a "$" instead as in "M$," what are we supposed to do, suck it up like a bunch of sycophantic lapdogs and say "yeah man, right on" instead? You don't see jiggie, me or anyone else attacking OS X even though we primarily use Windows, do you?

Did anybody have sympathy for this person's experience? They use the same language and attacks that you guys use against windows except it was against a mac instead, but look how they were treated.

 

[calyxman]

Listening to the two of you is surreal.

You come on a Mac forum and seem to expect people to be swept up by this stuff. Nothing personal but just flip the situation around: imagine a few posters from here cruising into a PC forum and raving about the latest Macs. They'd get flamed to within an inch of their lives... strong feelings exist on both sides.

I appreciate that this is interesting news to many people but because of the nature of this forum don't expect people to feel that warmly about it and just calling us fanatics is only likely to make people feel more hostile.

To me, what often makes these converstions shallow and sterile is the complete lack of interest displayed towards what you actually do with these machines (apart from gaming, usually)

For most people here, I would wager that their Macs are a means to an end, to produce something, to improve their lives in some way. Endless discussions about the minutiae of PC motherboards is as fascinating to the majority of us as talking about the inner-most workings of a car... interesting to a point but where is that car taking you?

So don't be too ready to dismiss others as fanatics while simultaneously displaying a blinkered view of the world yourself.

Dude, you're way out of line and frankly I'm getting sick of this. I complemented AMD, and my statements were in relation to Apple's hardware in my first post for this thread. I responded to what the Windows bashers said. If they didn't say it I would have kept my mouth shut, but you guys invited so I had to comment.

If you can't [expletive deleted] carry on a conversation about the hardware advancements on a PC platform without dragging MS and Windows into the picture, then you are the ones that have issues, not us.

 

[Blue Velvet]

Dude, you're way out of line and frankly I'm getting sick of this. I complemented AMD, and my statements were in relation to Apple's hardware in my first post for this thread. I responded to what the Windows bashers said. If they didn't say it I would have kept my mouth shut, but you guys invited so I had to comment.

If you can't [expletive deleted] carry on a conversation about the hardware advancements on a PC platform without dragging MS and Windows into the picture, then you are the ones that have issues, not us.

Errr... I don't actually recall quoting you at all. And if anyone is getting way out of line, it's you and your unnecessary hostility. My issue is with jiggie2g ironically calling people fanatics.

And it's dude-ess to you.

I mean seriously, I'm not trying to turn this into a flame war

Uh-huh.

 

[calyxman]

Errr... I don't actually recall quoting you at all. And if anyone is getting way out of line, it's you and your unnecessary hostility. My issue is with jiggie2g ironically calling people fanatics.

And it's dude-ess to you.

LOL, this is terrific. You are even more confused than I thought. If you weren't referring to me, then who the hell is "the two of you," when you were quoting jiggie who was responding to one of my posts?

Uh-huh.

Nuh-huh.

 

[bousozoku]

I'd suggest you settle down now. If you can't post reasonably, and these aren't great examples, don't post at all.

Thanks!

 

[wrc fan]

The first person to call someone a "Mac Zealot" occoured before anyone was called a "Windows Fanboy" or anyone said "Windows Sucks", in fact, the only person to say "Windows Sucks" is calyxman in saying this:

I mean seriously, I'm not trying to turn this into a flame war, but when I start seeing comments like "Windoze sucks" and "Windows is POS os" along with broke "s" keys that produce a "$" instead as in "M$," what are we supposed to do, suck it up like a bunch of sycophantic lapdogs and say "yeah man, right on" instead? You don't see jiggie, me or anyone else attacking OS X even though we primarily use Windows, do you?

But guess what, nobody said any of that stuff but you, calyxman.

Honestly, if you come to a Mac board praising how great Windows is, you gotta expect to have people say why they don't like it. I know a lot of people who have had problems with PCs and I don't know why, it's just like the PC has some sort of evil agenda against them. I have also seen people that have problems with Macs and I don't know why... I guess the Mac just has some sort of evil agenda against them

In summary, just because someone does not like Windows does not mean they are a mac zealot. And when you start calling people names because they do not agree with your opinion on Windows then really, you are the one being a zealot.

 

[calyxman]

I'd suggest you settle down now. If you can't post reasonably, and these aren't great examples, don't post at all.

Thanks!

And I suggest that you use your brain and read what's being said, or don't post at all either.

Honestly, if you come to a Mac board praising how great Windows is, you gotta expect to have people say why they don't like it. I know a lot of people who have had problems with PCs and I don't know why, it's just like the PC has some sort of evil agenda against them. I have also seen people that have problems with Macs and I don't know why... I guess the Mac just has some sort of evil agenda against them

In summary, just because someone does not like Windows does not mean they are a mac zealot. And when you start calling people names because they do not agree with your opinion on Windows then really, you are the one being a zealot.

For the final, stinking, time: I did not come here "singing the praises" of windows, I did not come here bashing Mac OS X, I complemented AMD's progress, I neutralized some hatred towards Win XP based on my experience with the OS, I get called a troll but no one is called to task for that stuff, and here I am being scolded, so all I can say is, I'm fed up!

Why can't I respond to these comments:

yeah but you have to use Windows (or Linux) the point being that you dont get the benefit of OS X with that machine, which is the best part about using a Mac in the first place. and its not like you can compare x86 hardware to PowerPC hardware spec to spec because they are different platforms that work in different ways....

What's that, written all over your face?

Seriously, I thought most teenagers idolized popstars. Times have changed...

My recent experiences with XP Pro SP2 have been nothing of the sort. I was amazed and also disappointed to see how little Windows has come on since '95 & '98. I'd even prefer to use Win2000 which I do every day on the office PC sitting next to my dual 2.5 G5.

I guess it depends on how high you set the bar...

Perhaps I should spell it out for you: A M D F A N B O Y.
Sure it's a good processor, but the way you are obsessing over it is quite...ludicrous, really.

yes and i dont need to be bothered keeping up with all that stuff, i want a maching that works and doesnt need to be constantaly kept on tabs, Macs work plain and simple, PCs need way too much maintenence, to the point where it is unacceptable to me at least. XP works sometimes sure, but really you shouldnt have to do all that just to keep your machine functioning

i am by no means an Zealot, and i know that wasnt directed at me either, and i agree that XP is much better for the average user than many/most/almost all Linux distros, but you still have to have some savvy when working with XP, it just doesnt offer the ease of use as OS X. my parents use XP, and while its not the worst thing in the world like ME, they still run into problems for me to fix, if i could get them on OS X things would be simpler, they would have to adjust sure, but they would also have less worries about making sure that everything is running smoothly, btw, if i may ask what do you use to keep XP running well? might be something i can get my 'rents to use, might make my life easier too

See what I mean?

And just to make you guys happy, lemme grab a white flag and surrender to a stupid ass battle that you all wanted to drag everyone into: Windows sucks, Mac OS X is a from heaven, Steve Jobs is God, and Bill Gates is Satan.

Are you happy? Seriously, I don't know where your heads are, but they're certainly not between your shoulders because if you had read my first post in this thread with some reason and "open-mindedness" that you profess to have, there was nothing sycophantic or "fan-boyish" about my comments on windows.

And any denial on you part is outright sheer hypocrisy.

 

[wrc fan]

calyxman, you must want to get banned, talking to a mod like that... I'm not sure what your problem is, you seem to be taking everything so personal. Much like Blue Velvet who wasn't talking about you, I wasn't talking about you, either. I was talking about jiggie2g singing praises. He was also the one calling people names. Why do you feel it's your duty to defend jiggie2g when people get upset about his attitude? And I'm not saying I condone the rections people made to him, but you have to admit that he was the one that started calling names... do a search he was also the first one to say Intel Fanboys. Sorry if you're offended that I don't approve of jiggie2g's statements, but it really has nothing to do with you or with how I feel about windows (do a search, and I doubt you'll ever find me saying anything negative about windows)

 

[calyxman]

calyxman, you must want to get banned, talking to a mod like that... I'm not sure what your problem is, you seem to be taking everything so personal. Much like Blue Velvet who wasn't talking about you, I wasn't talking about you, either. I was talking about jiggie2g singing praises. He was also the one calling people names. Why do you feel it's your duty to defend jiggie2g when people get upset about his attitude? And I'm not saying I condone the rections people made to him, but you have to admit that he was the one that started calling names... do a search he was also the first one to say Intel Fanboys. Sorry if you're offended that I don't approve of jiggie2g's statements, but it really has nothing to do with you or with how I feel about windows (do a search, and I doubt you'll ever find me saying anything negative about windows)

If I deem comments to be unreasonable then I'll respond. I don't appreciate when my comments are thrown under the microscope and I get hung out to dry when I made no attempt with my initial post to start a war. But I had to respond to the nonsense about what was being said about Windows, and I didn't make it into a drawn out out discussion, all I said was in my experience, Windows XP has been running fine for me, that's it!

If Blue Velvet says who "the two of you" are, and I'm not in the list, then I'll take my comments back to her. This is the quote I responded to with my second post in this thread:

No. Your experience may not match others... I was open-minded about it for a couple of weeks on a brand-new machine, no web access so no virus protection or firewall necessary. Just a couple of 3rd-party commercial apps, no hacks. It was a constantly crashing ugly awkward inflexible POS.

It's now made way for a dual 2ghz PM... no wonder our IT team won't touch XP. As I said Win2000 seems far more stable but it still is an ugly frustrating computing experience.

What you guys don't seem to get is that for most people, the OS is the computer.

Now take a look and see who made those comments. That's right, it was Blue Velvet. Then she responded to what Jiggie said, who was in turn quoting what I said, hence "the two of you." So who are those two?

I'm not here to defend jiggie, I'm not here to defend Microsoft nor Apple, I'm not here to defend anyone. I'm here to speak my opinion.

 

[feakbeak]

calyxman, all I can say is... wow!

You and I have been in agreement in a few other threads that started heading into Windows-bashing territory. My advice is to try to not take it too personally. Also, if you intend to stick around this board you may not want to insult the mods. I'm not sure how impulsive they can be, but I wouldn't test them. Then again, maybe you don't have intentions of sticking around MR.

This ranting about Windows XP is nothing more than seething hatred at MS, it's almost like a sacrilege to their mac loyalty to say anything nice about a Microsot product. Which is fine, but it gets in the way of truth.

While I don't think your first post was fanboy-ish or overly critical of the Mac platform, comments like the one above can easily be provoking on a Mac forum, even if it was not intended that way. I think threads like this just gradually degrade into arguments from members misunderstanding posts or picking out small fragements of a post and over-emphasizing it. Still, you have to keep your cool and bring things back to center - you seemed to just get more aggressive rather than trying to smooth things over. I really like Windows XP and following x86 hardware advancements, so I can relate to your frustration with some of the posters on MR who seem to be affected by Steve's RDF. Just try to keep your cool, reactionary posts usually just lead to bad places.

As for the actual TOPIC. I am extremely excited about the new AMD X2 chips. My PC is nearing four years old and is showing its age despite the upgrades I have done over the years. I intend to build my next PC on an X2 chip, probably the 4400+. I will run Windows XP on it without any regrets, I think it is a great OS. I also think OS X is a great OS. There can be more than one good OS.

At any rate, I think the posters who think the hardware details are boring simply don't understand the "hobby" aspect of building a system. Someone used a car analogy - that most people don't care what is inside as long as the car performs well and handles nicely. I am one of those drivers. However, auto enthusiasts who tweak and restore cars love the details of new technology within cars. It is important to them and following and utilizing the latest technology is enjoyable for them. They are a small subset of drivers but they represent a significant market within the auto industry.

Likewise, those of us who build systems enjoy reading about and discussing the latest developments in hardware advancements and the AMD X2 processor is a significant advance and so we're excited about it. I know it is x86 hardware which OS X can't run on, but it is computer related and I think it is fair to have a little discussion about such topics on this board. No need to rain on someone else's parade because you aren't into hardware. I don't go in threads about Photoshop and say "Why are you so excited about new filters? All that matters is if your graphics/pictures look good." Trust me if one could build their own PPC system to run OS X we would be doing it. Why exactly can't you do this anyway? Does Apple put checks in the OS X code to only run if certain hardware IDs or firmware is found on the system? I would imagine you could get all the components from vendors one way or another. Sorry... drifting off topic.

Anyway, just my two cents.

 

[calyxman]

feakbeak, thanks for your comments. I agree, maybe I could have avoided making the comments about "sacrilege" and so forth. I think we're still in this mode where if you dare say Windows is even "ok," then you're thrown out into the sea.

I'm sorry this had to drag out, but I had to stand up once and for all. I'll gladly put this to rest.

 

[JRM PowerPod]

And any denial on you part is outright sheer hypocrisy.

WTF is going on in this thread!

-I was reading about what seems to be a cool processor and next thing a war erupts, (pretty good one at that)

Summary:

AMD X2 = Great Processor
OS X = Great OS
MS XP = Crap
G5 = lingering

Let's face it people the AMD chip is cool but it is common knowledge that Windows is crap. Someone suggested things like not using Kazaa and all this sort of stuff to make your PC work better. But at the end of the day you want to use your PC for productive purposes (not updating virus software 5 times a day, virus scanning anything that comes near your computer, not using things like Kazaa) WHAT'S THE POINT OF A COMPUTER IF YOU CAN'T USE IT. The G5 still kills anything on the market (except when gaming), look at the performance differences on the Apple site.
This AMD won't arrive until OCT/NOV. June is next month, WWDC is next month and Steve Jobs has 2 hours to fill in. Dual Core PowerMac's maybe, maybe not? Anyway, with how much the G5 2.7 kills the current Athlon in things like Photoshop, i'd say it would still be hard to topple.

Anyway, chill out - and to those who defend XP, all i say is shame. Coz I have 2 PC's running it, and a laptop running ME, its a shambles.

 

[MrDavid]

Exactly. That's how it's supposed to be - how you USE the computer should come before how fast the computer's hardware is.

10 points for you sir . However, I could imagine it being a little problematic if attempting to burn a DVD on a 25 MHz x86 haha...



For the record: I am a Windows user, since version 3. Till then I was just using DOS. Which happens to be my favorite OS. Never had it crash on me, unless the program was buggy itself. Granted, there are many bad things about it like the ability not to multitask on default, but you could make it do it. I've never had a problem with Windows at all, the occasional bug but Microsoft would resolve the issue *sometime*. I have managed to be one of the few people I know that has not had an issue with SP2 as well. I work for Comcast, HSI, and we get a lot of SP2 issues. First verify they have installed it just recently, if so, send over to Microsoft for troubleshooting. One thing for sure, troubleshooting a Mac connectivity issue is way easier than troubleshooting a Windows based problem. We tend to joke about how OS X is like a toaster, in terms of ease of use. I love the idea that there is something bigger/better, as in terms of the Athlon x2 but I am certainly no zealot towards other systems. Personally, when the G5 came out it certainly made me think about doing the switch. In the end, I decided to stay with x86, due to price and familarness of it. Granted, it doesn't mean I do check up on the Mac side to see new technology/hardware.

Also, if anyone wants a gmail account just PM and I'll send you an invite. Send your exhisting e-mail account, so I can send it to you . Less than 45 invites, yet.

 

[Mav451]

Let's face it people the AMD chip is cool but it is common knowledge (on MR perhaps?) that Windows is crap.

I inserted a word that would make your ridiculous statement even slightly logical.
Then again, I suppose it just isn't as funny then, now is it?