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ATT may charge fees for MMS?

Heh...a single MMS in Australia is about AUD$0.75 for all the carriers.

What are the US telco's going to do next? Cap internet monthly download limits?
 
fletch33 said:
MMS runs through your data plan. if you turn off a data plan on any smart/pda phone then your MMS stop working.

most likely if you have a text plan and unlimited data then i would imagine you will not see an increase.

probably likely though that the 200 text plan included on the iPhone plan will not count and you will have to upgrade.

i am on the unlimited data (of course) and the standard (non-iphone) 1500 text message plan and they better not mess with my bill LOL

my wife has a smartphone which i cancelled the data plan for (so she now has no MMS) but kept minutes and texts and for the 2 of us we are at $200/month with the taxes included.

i can have the exact same plan with my local Bell using yellowsnow for $115 per month with unlimited everything.

this is not the time in the US to increase our bills with tedious things like adding MMS messages and i am sure i am not the only that would leave if they add one more dime to my bill.
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MMS doesn't use the data plan. All sorts of dumbphones have MMS and they definitely don't have a data plan.
 
Mikey B said:
MMS doesn't use the data plan. All sorts of dumbphones have MMS and they definitely don't have a data plan.
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true however when it comes to the smart/pda phones it is directly related to your data plan and has been like this for years when i was with verizon and is the same with att.

it may be their method of trying to get you on a data plan but this is 100% how it works with pda/smart phones.

try to cancel data on one and ask to still get MMS.

i am new on this forum but not new to cell phone hacking or messing with the system. if you look at howardforums i still have a few stickies going on how to alter verizon firmwares to other carriers files and get full BT, java etc... and i haven't been on there except to see if im still alive since the release of the 1st iPhone :)
 
Mikey B said:
MMS doesn't use the data plan. All sorts of dumbphones have MMS and they definitely don't have a data plan.
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Actually on most phones MMS has to use WAP (which is data) to get the attachments.
fletch33 said:
my 1500 iphone text plan was the same price when i switched to a 1500 non-iphone plan. not sure if they are all the same price but the 1500 is.
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Chances are they are the same. ;)
 
My unlimited iphone plan was $20. The unlimited general messaging plan was also $20. I just went into my account and made the change myself. That doesn't make MMS work for the iphone automatically though. You have to talk to AT&T, and they are resistant. You have to be firm but polite, and call back and talk to another person if they refuse. The rep I spoke to put me on hold while he spoke to his manager, then came back and said he would go ahead and provision my account for MMS. I've heard that the account can get automatically flagged as an iPhone account that has MMS and the provision can get reversed, but it's been 4 or 5 days now and it's still working. It may be only a matter of time, but I'm not sure.
 
In the UK the MMS typically goes through a completely different data apn so you can send MMS with/without a data-plan

Also this is why they charge so much - to cover the data charges (even though if you worked out the cost its extortionate)

I won't be using it
 
in terms of having to completely cancel ur data to avoid that monthly fee, there is a pay-per-use data pcg that will allow u to send/recieve mms bundled in with ur messaging pcg. But if u go on the internet its $.01 a kilobyte
 
Um, can't you send an email to a phone using the phonenumber@somedomain.com? I forget but that's what I did if I really wanted to send a pic to my friends. They sent me a pic to begin with and I just followed what the number was to send it back.
 
diamond.g said:
Actually on most phones MMS has to use WAP (which is data) to get the attachments.
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Right, but my point is that they don't require a data PLAN. Regardless, I think people are jumping the gun on thinking that AT&T is going to charge extra for MMS. They enabled it on my iPhone and made no mention of extra fees.
 
diamond.g said:
It wouldn't be strange. That would be normal.
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Yeah, you're probably right. :mad:

Anyways, ALL other AT&T texting plans include MMS within them. For ANY other AT&T plan, if you pay for a texting plan, you do not pay extra for MMS. It is included. As for the iPhone being the first phone to charge extra for MMS when you already have a texting plan, there is ZERO precedence for this. There is absolutely no current AT&T business model to suggest otherwise. So everyone should just chill until AT&T tells us otherwise.
 
JForestZ34 said:
One more thing, why is everyone saying that MMS is old and e-mail is the new thing.??? Just because apple says so, and left MMS out on the iphone.. I bet more people will use the MMS now than e-mail....
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Prior to getting an iPhone, I never sent texts or MMS. In fact, I always thought text messaging was dumb and a waste of my money. The only reason I texted after I got my iPhone was because it came with 200 texts. Since it no longer comes with texts, I know I can find a better use of the $60/year.
The only reason I care about MMS is because some of my friends send these to me on occasion. AT&T's MMS site is a PITFA.

I don't know if AT&T will differentiate between MMS and SMS. However, it wouldn't surprise me if they introduced 1 MMS=3 SMS. While this wouldn't matter for unlimited users, it would matter for those who have a limited number of texts or no text plan at all. AFAIK, AT&T charges $0.50 for a MMS.
 
Mikey B said:
Right, but my point is that they don't require a data PLAN. Regardless, I think people are jumping the gun on thinking that AT&T is going to charge extra for MMS. They enabled it on my iPhone and made no mention of extra fees.
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The only reason why I think they will charge is because when they take a look, they will see how many iphone user's that will get this feature.. This is something people have wanted for a long time and now that apple is added it along with AT&T I'm sure they will have to make a couple of bucks off of it.. I really hope they don't because I don't want to pay any extra either...


James
 
Mikey B said:
Right, but my point is that they don't require a data PLAN. Regardless, I think people are jumping the gun on thinking that AT&T is going to charge extra for MMS. They enabled it on my iPhone and made no mention of extra fees.
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Yeah for most phones you have these options, lets use AT&T for giggles...

Okay this is for normal phones, not iPhones but it makes the point that MMS is not data plan:

Messaging Unlimited is $20 which includes SMS and MMS and Messenger

Messaging AND Data Unlimited is $30 which includes SMS, MMS and Internet

Yes you use the network to connect to the picture and to the messenger but it is not charged the same as Data, therefore it is not apart of the data plan. Just like you can get a data plan but not have SMS or MMS.

You people saying MMS is apart of data, well I have no idea what you are basing this on.

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...aging+and+MEdia(TM)+Bundles&_requestid=528470
 
iPhone Savvy said:
Yeah for most phones you have these options, lets use AT&T for giggles...

Okay this is for normal phones, not iPhones but it makes the point that MMS is not data plan:

Messaging Unlimited is $20 which includes SMS and MMS and Messenger

Messaging AND Data Unlimited is $30 which includes SMS, MMS and Internet

Yes you use the network to connect to the picture and to the messenger but it is not charged the same as Data, therefore it is not apart of the data plan. Just like you can get a data plan but not have SMS or MMS.

You people saying MMS is apart of data, well I have no idea what you are basing this on.

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...aging+and+MEdia(TM)+Bundles&_requestid=528470
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Some of us are saying it does use data even though it doesn't require a data plan.
MMS messages are delivered in a fashion almost identical to SMS, but any multimedia content is first encoded and inserted into a text message in a fashion similar to sending a MIME e-mail. MMS defines a subset of MIME content formats in the MMS Message Encapsulation specification. The message is then forwarded to the carrier's MMS store and forward server, the "MMS relay". If the receiver is on another carrier, the relay forwards the message to the recipient's carrier using the Internet.[1]
Once it reaches the correct MMS relay for the receiver, the content is extracted and sent to a temporary storage server (often the same process as the relay) with an HTTP front-end. An SMS "control message" containing the URL of the content is then sent to the recipient's handset to trigger the receiver's WAP browser to open and receive the content from the embedded URL. Several other messages are exchanged to indicate status of the delivery attempt.[2]
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