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You aren't forced to do anything.

Apple has given an explanation. And no one's really complaining about being "forced" into an iPhone 4S. In fact, it seems consumers quite voluntarily handed Apple their biggest quarter ever (which is what usually happens), driven primarily by iPhone 4S sales.

What was Apple excuse for not putting Siri on anything but the iPhone 4S? Still waiting. Apple has been silent on the matter and mostly we have seen the Apple appligetic crew coming up with excuse after excuse for it. They go to weaker and weaker ones as each one is proven to be BS.

So other than providing a BS excuse to upgrade to a 4S from a 4 what is it?
 
Nowhere does it say that it will not work at all on pre-4S devices. There is a difference between working and working well.

Hmm, I guess when Nuance was procuding Siri, it didn't work well, then!

The fanboyism astounds.

Yeah, I'm not sure why you all seem to take it for granted that Apple "owes" you free new features for your iPhone 4.

I didn't see where anyone said that... I fully acknowledge that Apple doesn't OWE me a Siri update. What I'm saying is that it's really _cheap_ of Apple not to.

-Clive
 
This still do not explain why SIRI is not in the iPad 2 since it uses the A5 too....

That was my comment...

And, if you check the stats, not only does the iPad 2 run on the A5, it runs on a faster A5 with the same amount of RAM. So, where is the shortcoming that prevents Siri from running on the iPad?
 
Nope and I did not insinuate it was any different.

Actually, you did. "We all know why Siri was iPhone 4S exclusive (except the blindly loyal) $$$ it was all about tha Benjamins." is a rather inflammatory claim to make.

Apple improves its products over time. I got a late-2008 Macbook: the last of the unibody machines that didn't have the much-longer battery life. I'd be overjoyed to get the 2009 tech in a field upgrade from Apple, but I have no right to expect it. I'm not blindly loyal; I simply have common sense over what is reasonable to expect from a manufacturer. Huge difference.
 
That was my comment...

And, if you check the stats, not only does the iPad 2 run on the A5, it runs on a faster A5 with the same amount of RAM. So, where is the shortcoming that prevents Siri from running on the iPad?

The shortcoming is that the iPad has a "2" after it, instead of a "3". Clearly that is limiting Siri's power to future models only.
 
Hmm, I guess when Nuance was procuding Siri, it didn't work well, then!

The fanboyism astounds.



I didn't see where anyone said that... I fully acknowledge that Apple doesn't OWE me a Siri update. What I'm saying is that it's really _cheap_ of Apple not to.

-Clive

1. Siri was never developed by Nuance, it does use some of their technology, but it was first developed by a small group of iOS developers.

2. No apple doesn't owe you anything and they're in business to make money. i don't see how its cheap of them not to include it as an update when historically new features have only belonged to new hardware, this is nothing new at all.
 
To be honest, even if it wasn't hardware dependent, Siri on the iPhone 4S is okay.
Facetime was only on iPhone 4 and this much fuss wasn't made despite the rear-facing camera on all previous iPhone models.

I think iPhone, iPad and iPod touch owners are lucky that iOS 4 & 5 were completely free. People seem to hate paying for things.
 
What was Apple excuse for not putting Siri on anything but the iPhone 4S? Still waiting. Apple has been silent on the matter and mostly we have seen the Apple appligetic crew coming up with excuse after excuse for it. They go to weaker and weaker ones as each one is proven to be BS.

So other than providing a BS excuse to upgrade to a 4S from a 4 what is it?

They don't need to give a reason for not adding new features to an old product. The whole point of adding new features to a product is to sell it. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Stop acting like you are owed anything.
 
So other than providing a BS excuse to upgrade to a 4S from a 4 what is it?
How about what is written in the article? Siri might not have met Apple's standards on older phones. You aren't entitled anything from them; especially not on older hardware.
 
1. Siri was never developed by Nuance, it does use some of their technology, but it was first developed by a small group of iOS developers.

.....okay? The point still stands. Why did Siri all of a sudden not work well the second Apple bought it?

2. No apple doesn't owe you anything and they're in business to make money. i don't see how its cheap of them not to include it as an update when historically new features have only belonged to new hardware, this is nothing new at all.

Because it's been determined time and time again that Siri on the iPhone 4 is not limited by the hardware. It would be different if I had a 2G and complained about not having a Compass App or GPS... The hardware LITERALLY didn't exist in the phone... It would even be different if it was a couple-generation-old hardware not able to get an updated iOS. That's understandable! But for people who had Siri on their phones before Apple purchased it and shut it down, knew that the service worked "well," and have seen the evidence of Siri working "well" on the same device... this is a truly low blow.
 
What was Apple excuse for not putting Siri on anything but the iPhone 4S? Still waiting. Apple has been silent on the matter and mostly we have seen the Apple appligetic crew coming up with excuse after excuse for it. They go to weaker and weaker ones as each one is proven to be BS.

So other than providing a BS excuse to upgrade to a 4S from a 4 what is it?

Do you honestly think that they would spend time, money and engineering effort on added silicon to the board for speech recognition, and not even advertise it as a feature to their customers, if they didn't feel it was necessary for the phone? Yes, they could have added it to the iphone 4, but there must have been some reason it didn't meet their quality standards.

Siri isn't a feature that is essential to the phone working, and it's not part of Apple's promise to the customer to not add unique features to subsequent devices. Are you also mad your camera in the iphone 4 didn't magically become 8 MP?

Apple does promise same day software updates on all the devices it sells, which it does without fail on day 1 of software release, every single time. No other manufacturer can claim that.

The sense of entitlement on this forum is getting worse and worse.
 
This still do not explain why SIRI is not in the iPad 2 since it uses the A5 too....

You nailed it there! I understand not to integrate older devices. Yes, Siri as app and in jailbreaks works. The point is that with noise reduction, you can reduce package size to the server and therefore have faster and more accurate service. Everything deviating from the A5-CPU devices is sub-standard quality. That is not unfair, that is just a business model. Of course, Apple only makes money if you upgrade.
Another thing is the iPad 2. It should have the hardware at a first glance. Looking a second time, it might not have the microphone quality - especially the 3G versions whith the plastic antenna case. Same issue here: Noise reduction might not be sufficient and since the service is not advertized, no upgrade here. Talking about upgrade: The feature might call for a price. In the past, if a product gained a novel feature by update (e.g. Wifi n standard for iMac), consumers had to pay licensing/upgrade fees for bookkeeping reasons. I would be willing to pay that if the iPad 2 could handle Siri as well as the iPhone 4S. Maybe the reason there is no purchase option at the AppStore is that the microphone is not as good as the iPhone 4S' - who knows.
 
.............................. There is a difference between working and working well. .......................

That is why I switched off SIRI on my 4S.

I admit I took your quote out of context. However for me SIRI is so unreliable that it's no use to me. I don't think it's my pronounciation alone because it understood me well when I dictate a text. But all commands were somehow screwed up in 80% of cases......
 
How about what is written in the article? Siri might not have met Apple's standards on older phones. You aren't entitled anything from them; especially not on older hardware.

1) No one said Apple owed them anything. Find another argument straw man.

2) The "earSmart" technology doesn't explain why Siri isn't on the iPad 2, as other users have pointed out. Explain that one if you're so all-knowing.

3) Oh, you can't?

4) Ergo, it's purely a $$$-grab on the part of Apple.

Q.E.D.

-Clive
 
So on the iPhone 4S we have:

1. A proximity sensor designed to support the "Raise to Speak" feature
2. Custom noise cancellation technology on the SoC

And yet, people are still willing insist the only reason the 4 didn't get Siri is to sell the 4S?

Two hardware features were added to support the Siri feature on the 4S. Yes, it can be made to work on the 4, but is it really so hard to imagine that without the 4S, you're really using a broken version of the Siri product?
 
What was Apple excuse for not putting Siri on anything but the iPhone 4S? Still waiting.

It doesn't make any difference. It's irrelevant. The 4 doesn't have it. The 4S does. So make your choice. If Siri isn't reason enough to upgrade, then don't upgrade.

Apple has been silent on the matter

Mostly because apart from you and a few other misguided souls no one really gives a damn about it.

So other than providing a BS excuse to upgrade to a 4S from a 4 what is it?

I don't know. Most of what you're saying doesn't make any sense.

You're looking for a problem where none exists.
 
1) No one said Apple owed them anything. Find another argument straw man.

2) The "earSmart" technology doesn't explain why Siri isn't on the iPad 2, as other users have pointed out. Explain that one if you're so all-knowing.

3) Oh, you can't?

4) Ergo, it's purely a $$$-grab on the part of Apple.

Q.E.D.

-Clive

The A5 in the 4S and the A5 in the iPad 2 are not identical. Why would you think they are? Because they have the same name?

Additionally, the iPad 2 does not have dual microphones for noise cancellation.
 
They don't need to give a reason for not adding new features to an old product. The whole point of adding new features to a product is to sell it. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Stop acting like you are owed anything.

Then Apple should come out and saying it. It is the BS excuses people are coming out with covering for Apple. They have been debunk one and a time and in many ways proven how wrong they are.

Noise cancellation excuse can be debunk by Apple allowing blue tooth to work with siri.

It is the excuses people are using to cover. This is just one more in a long list of excuses. The simple truth to the matter is Apple put a BS software block for no other reason than to sell more iPhone 4S. The upgrade from the 4 to the 4S is not that great over all so they were looking for some other excuse to encourage people to upgrade.
 
Yet another pathetic excuse to cover Apple ass. Sorry but it been proven time and time again how much BS there is. Siri is only on the 4S to force people to upgrade.

This has been proven time and time again.

Thank goodness we have your in-depth dissertation as well as a mountain of forum troll speculation to guide us from the false words of those pesky trained engineers who actually do this for a living. :rolleyes:
 
Any flaw or fractionally-higher failure rate with Siri is bound to be pounced on by Apple’s detractors; and this is great tech that Apple wants to see succeed—as it has been!--rather than wither due to a not-quite-good-enough experience.

People hacking older phones and trying half-way solutions to replicate Siri on other ways may accept “good enough,” but I don’t blame Apple for holding Siri to a higher standard.

I feel the pain of people (like... me) who wish they had Siri and don’t, but Apple has a long history of supporting things on older tech rather than “forcing” an upgrade on their users. Of course they don’t do that always—but they do it often enough that saying Siri was just a gimmick to “force” people to upgrade from an older iPhone never quite made sense. Apple makes money first and foremost by making people satisfied with their products, not dissatisfied.

Now it’s not like Apple to explain the detailed inner workings of their R&D and marketing decisions. They keep their public message simple and focussed, and although a tiny micro-fraction of buyers may be put off that Apple doesn’t delve into these details, the market as a whole just doesn’t care. So don’t expect Apple to change their successful approach any time soon! The technical details like this are interesting, but we’ll rarely get them direct from Apple. Apple’s about what you can do, not the spec details. (And specs alone—separate from what you can DO—are empty hype after all.)
 
Then Apple should come out and saying it. It is the BS excuses people are coming out with covering for Apple. They have been debunk one and a time and in many ways proven how wrong they are.

Noise cancellation excuse can be debunk by Apple allowing blue tooth to work with siri.

It is the excuses people are using to cover. This is just one more in a long list of excuses. The simple truth to the matter is Apple put a BS software block for no other reason than to sell more iPhone 4S. The upgrade from the 4 to the 4S is not that great over all so they were looking for some other excuse to encourage people to upgrade.

Are you trying to get at a point or are you just here to post why Apple is the bane of your existence? Because you seem bitter about this to a point beyond that of even the people who are using the iPhone 4 (as I am) that would like Siri but are patiently waiting for the chance to upgrade rather than complaining because of some false sense of entitlement to having the greatest, newest features on older hardware.

And people pointed out how Siri works better when input is taken through the built in mic, but you seemed to have conveniently glossed over such claims (both in this thread and elsewhere).
 
Hmm, I guess when Nuance was procuding Siri, it didn't work well, then!

The fanboyism astounds.

No, it didn't work well in noisy environments (like being outside). What' so difficult to understand about a comprehensive user experience? Should Apple have provided LTE support before the carriers and while the chipset made an 10-hour battery last for 2 hours? No, because the common person would find the experience to be awful.

I didn't see where anyone said that... I fully acknowledge that Apple doesn't OWE me a Siri update. What I'm saying is that it's really _cheap_ of Apple not to.

-Clive

You sound jealous. If Siri is so damn important to you then get a new phone. If it's not that important to you then stop complaining that you don't have it.
 
The reason I continually end up leaving this site for months at a time some members down-vote my posts when I point out when Apple is doing something poorly and don't have the courage to REPLY with WHY they DISAGREE.

1) Tell me why Siri suddenly stopped working "well" after Apple bought it and shut it down.

2) Tell me why Siri isn't on the iPad 2 despite the A5 processor.

3) Tell me why you're down-voting me for pointing out that Apple's present incarnation is no more accurate than earlier versions?
 
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