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Apple clearly removed this because the new retina doesn't have it... Poor form apple. God I hate when they remove a feature that used to work fine

with regards to the removal of that feature apple care and customer support assures thats not the case as they have called me at least 5 times the last 3 days to "check on the situation"

unless they unknowingly got a bad batch of audio ports or just missinterpreted that it actually doesnt do what they say.

can anyone attest to the fact they have actually used to audio in feature and it worked properly through head phone jack?
 
with regards to the removal of that feature apple care and customer support assures thats not the case as they have called me at least 5 times the last 3 days to "check on the situation"

unless they unknowingly got a bad batch of audio ports or just missinterpreted that it actually doesnt do what they say.

can anyone attest to the fact they have actually used to audio in feature and it worked properly through head phone jack?

Good point, just checked their site and they're still claiming it has a line in
 
Good point, just checked their site and they're still claiming it has a line in

Can we do 'em for this? I'm quite tempted to give trading standards a call.

Upon closer inspection of the box, the sticker with the specs on it reads "Optical digital audio output/analog line out; stereo speakers". Yet inside, the little quick start guide does show it as an audio in/output.
 
with regards to the removal of that feature apple care and customer support assures thats not the case as they have called me at least 5 times the last 3 days to "check on the situation"

unless they unknowingly got a bad batch of audio ports or just missinterpreted that it actually doesnt do what they say.

can anyone attest to the fact they have actually used to audio in feature and it worked properly through head phone jack?

Yes, I have used it -- the confusing part is that this is mainly an audio out port, but just like on many phones, it also has an input if the correct cable/connector is used, specifically a multi-axial in/out cable like the ones that come with the headphones for the iPhone. I believe these connectors have four conductors (wires/connections): 2 for left/right stereo audio output, 1 for mic input, and 1 ground wire (I think, well that's how I would have engineered it anyway). If you compare the connectors for these headset with mic connectors to those without a mic, you will notice fewer rings on the ones without the mic.

If you plug in a standard 2 channel stereo input cable to this port, the system will sense fewer conductors and think there is an audio output for a pair of headphones or speakers. If it detects the third signal channel it will assume there's a headset that also has a built in mic.

We have both the 15" and 13" late 2011 Macbook Pros, and they both have this port for in/out, but the 15" also has another input only jack for standard 2-wire (1-channel) cables. I tried my headset from the iPhone on both and get audio in through that mic on both.

I'm not sure if there are cables or adapters out there that will let you plug in your guitar jack (1/4", or 1/8" with adapter) into this multi-axial cable (tri-ax or quad-ax or whatever it is), but I would guess there are options. If not, one could possibly hack an old or unused headset that has a built in mic, with some careful wire stripping and soldering (not recommended for most people though).

There is no excuse for that Apple "Genius" Bar response to this. They should know their product. Apple also sells/includes Garage Band, so they should have included some info about this up front and they should offer a product for audio input. The product is otherwise really stupid and we shouldn't have to buy expensive kits to get decent audio quality. Making customers take all of this effort will drive them away. Ok, end of rant.

I hope this helps.

Edit: Here's a much better description of the connector that I was referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS_connector

...and here is a link to a (rather expensive?) version of an adapter that should work (listing it here as an example, I have no experience with this model, brand, or seller): http://www.kvconnection.com/product-p/km-iphone-2trs.htm

...and another one they have with a 1/4" input: http://www.kvconnection.com/product-p/km-iphone-43f35f.htm

We basically seek a 1/8" (3.5 mm) TRRS (Tip Ring Ring Sleeve) to TRS + TRS (or dual TRS, or something like that).

Edit 2: (As I learn more I keep posting) If you care about sound quality for recording, there is an important consideration for impedance matching (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/03/make-it-iphone-guitar-connection-kit/). The more expensive USB devices probably take care of this aspect, and I'm not sure if the built in analog to digital system in the Macbooks have this circuitry.
 
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"poor form" indeed!

I had bought the late 2011 13 inch - the MD 314 - and it had the same - fully optional and functional choices for the audio port's easy selection between in and output...
Had a defective touchpad that wouldn't stop zooming - even with the function disabled in prefs - so i returned it a couple weeks later - and low and behold - A NEW MODEL released with DOUBLE THE RAM AND A FSTER CHIP FOR THE SAME PRICE...
So I had the choice - a $300 price drop for the return/exchange - or - a better (supposedly) machine for the same price...
I went with the same price - more computer choice.
I get the effer home - and the damn audio port can no longer function int he way I need it to - as a most important function for my daily usage - uploading digital audio pocket recorder telephone conversations with a couple of scumbag lawyers that have been handling a litigation for me for four years - and have started trying to fu$# me out of my interests in it over the last 6 mos. - so I have to capture them to get other lawyers to handle the malpractice.
NOW I can't keep delivering those recordings to new counsel as I've been for months...
WTF Apple?
not like you at all - for my 20 years of loyalty.
And tech support can't say sh#@ to me about it...
Meanwhile -THE SAME HELP INSTRUCTIONS ARE THERE - TELLING YOU TO "select input" AS IF the function was still there - in the 2012 models...
POOR FORM INDEED.
 
Somewhat off-topic, but I just wanted to add that this…

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…was easily to accomplish with my old MBP3,1 (mid 2007): Connecting the iPhone with the Apple AV cable, and a cinch/trs adapter, and record every sound that comes from iPhone (music, games, video) in stereo on the Mac (w Quicktime p.e.).

But with the rMBP3,10: No go. Although it recognizes well the iPhone headset and uses it’s "external" microphone (mono only)—the configuration as shown above won’t be recognized on the only audio in/out. The audio in dialog stays with “internal microphone“.

That’s a bit of a drawback compared to my old MBP because I made use of that configuration often.
 
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Give em' hell!

Can we do 'em for this? I'm quite tempted to give trading standards a call.

Upon closer inspection of the box, the sticker with the specs on it reads "Optical digital audio output/analog line out; stereo speakers". Yet inside, the little quick start guide does show it as an audio in/output.

I'm quite fond of this idea...
It's a classic case of bait and switch. For me - that audio in line is a crucial part of my daily use of my mac book pro - as it was my mac book from sep 07', my iBook from a few years earlier - and my Mac powerPC before that.

It's a most basic kind of function - I can't imagine it going away, not as some major oops on their part...
Either that - or we can expect to see the quality slide begin in a posthumous Steve Jobs Apple?
I've been a loyal Apple and Honda guy for 25 years...
My last Honda began showing probe right away - as the assembled in america piece of sh#@ it is - and now it appears that Chinese Macs will be the beginning of the end of quality?
 
hate to bring up old issues but i was using a iRig to record my guitar onto my 2012 13" and it was working fine.

at least that was before Mountain Lion. TOnight was my first time to try it after the upgrade and guess what. no longer works

WTF apple?
 
In store right now for the same issue.

I'm going to try and not take no for an answer. I'm really curious to what this genius is going to say when i show him the tech specs on apple.com that plainly says that my macbook should be able to have a line in with no issues. I also have no option to switch in my sound settings.

I'm also here (waiting in Apple store for genius appointment) because the free mountain lion update would not work when i tried it (and yes I bought my mac with in the window of time that is eligible for the update.)

AND as of last night my macbook pro would not load a photo CD from costco, or a few other CD's i tried.

ughhh we'll see how this goes. I just want everything to work how it should. :(

TL;DR Same issue, this was written in store before I had talked to a genius.
 
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I'm going to try and not take no for an answer. I'm really curious to what this genius is going to say when i show him the tech specs on apple.com that plainly says that my macbook should be able to have a line in with no issues. I also have no option to switch in my sound settings.

I'm also here (waiting in Apple store for genius appointment) because the free mountain lion update would not work when i tried it (and yes I bought my mac with in the window of time that is eligible for the update.)

AND as of last night my macbook pro would not load a photo CD from costco, or a few other CD's i tried.

ughhh we'll see how this goes. I just want everything to work how it should. :(

TL;DR Same issue, this was written in store before I had talked to a genius.

Ok, well I was helped by a totally nice and considerate genius, who agreed with me that it was strange and a definite issue. After he and another genius tried everything (PRAM, ect.) They concluded it was a faulty logic board. My optical DVD drive was also malfunctioning, but what is important here is that the genius did acknowledge that this shouldn't be.

He talked to his manager, and they decided to completely replace my machine, and give me a fresh new Macbook Pro at no cost to me.

Happy Ending. :) :apple: :)

here is the "Problem Discription/Diognosis"

Issue: Customer reporting optical DVDs not working also does not have option for audio in
Steps to Reproduce: Verified both issues, bottled to known good and tested all devices on known good computers, issue remains and not able to get audio in to unit through line in
Proposed Resolution: POS swapping the unit, also transferring the data.
Cosmetic Condition: No damage
Known Liquid Damage: No
Check-in Required: Yes
Estimated Turn Around Time: Next Day
Mac OS Version: 10.7.4
Hard Drive Size: 750 GB
Memory Size: 8 GB
iLife Version: n/a


To others with this problem, please head to the :apple: store and get a new mac!
 
Ok, well I was helped by a totally nice and considerate genius, who agreed with me that it was strange and a definite issue. After he and another genius tried everything (PRAM, ect.) They concluded it was a faulty logic board. My optical DVD drive was also malfunctioning, but what is important here is that the genius did acknowledge that this shouldn't be.

He talked to his manager, and they decided to completely replace my machine, and give me a fresh new Macbook Pro at no cost to me.

Happy Ending. :) :apple: :)

here is the "Problem Discription/Diognosis"

Issue: Customer reporting optical DVDs not working also does not have option for audio in
Steps to Reproduce: Verified both issues, bottled to known good and tested all devices on known good computers, issue remains and not able to get audio in to unit through line in
Proposed Resolution: POS swapping the unit, also transferring the data.
Cosmetic Condition: No damage
Known Liquid Damage: No
Check-in Required: Yes
Estimated Turn Around Time: Next Day
Mac OS Version: 10.7.4
Hard Drive Size: 750 GB
Memory Size: 8 GB
iLife Version: n/a


To others with this problem, please head to the :apple: store and get a new mac!

was this on the 2012 13" MBP?

whats funny is mine worked before mountain lion

your new comp gives option for sound input?
 
hmm i guess with so many complaints they finally changed it on the site.

i know for sure without a doubt when i bought mine mid june it was on the site as line in/out
 
It's gone in the 2012 Macbook Pro 13 and rMBP.



They probably removed the line-in jack to save 50 cents. Or if you believe the fanboys, they removed it to provide a "consistent user experience".

Yeah I went back to the store to pick up my brand new new 13" MBP, and once i got it I tested it again in the store and once again the genius and i were stumped. They took it in the back and "had everyone looking at it" and later came out to tell me the disappointing news that Apple had just decided 13" MacBook Pro's don't need the same audio specifications as 15". Really really lame. But I got a new Mac anyways! It probably just would have needed a new disk drive but I'll take a whole new machine. :cool:

Also lame that Apple has to be so subtle about the tech specs on :apple: .com that not even their genius's are up to par with the information.
Crazy day at the Apple store.
 
If you are going to be doing a lot of guitar/XLR recording and want to get something cheap that works I wholeheartedly recommend the Tascam US100 USB interface, I use it w/ both PC and Mac DAWs and it is outstanding (and well under $100).
 
Hi,

I just tested the audio in on my mid 2012 13" Pro and it works.

I plugged in my iPhone headphones and was able to record my voice using the built in mic.

Dan
 
Has anyone tried to replicate the iPhone headset? Get 6 conductor wire, a 4 conductor 3.5mm plug, a mono 3.5mm plug and a stereo 3.5mm plug. Add some techflex and make it look pretty. Or ghetto one up: grab a CAT-6 ethernet wire, iPhone headset cable (cut off the plug and pull the wires out), grab a 3.5mm stereo input and a 3.5mm mono input :D.

Or it looks like you can buy one here http://touchmic.com/products-page/i...cables/headphone--mic-y-adapter-in-one-cable/

Apple clearly removed this because the new retina doesn't have it... Poor form apple. God I hate when they remove a feature that used to work fine

Clearly that's what Apple was thinking when they decided to remove it on the 13" MBP because the 15" rMBP doesn't have it anymore, while still keeping it on the 15" MBP. :rolleyes:

They probably just removed it because Apples always about simplifying things... at least on their part :p.
 
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Same Problem

I can't believe Apple have done this, I don't see any feasible reason for doing so. I used this port to record DJ sets from my mixer just fine on my 2009 mbp 13'. Upgraded to the 2.9 2012 mbp 13' and they remove it?!

Why should I pay more money for an interface or an adapter. My iphone headphones work so I'm going to have to try and find a 3.5mm 4 pole adapter.

Also I know someone that works at the Apple store and they said they get given no warning of implicit changes like these, so don't blame the geniuses. The majority of them have been conditioned to only know how to fix broken iphone screens i.e. replace them

I'll update you if it works
 
Hi everyone, I think I have the solution. I'm not very good at explaining but here goes: The option to change the line in doesnt show up like on other MacBooks but if you plug in a cable with 3 lines on the metal part rather than two, the MacBook will change the input on its own. I guess it's not really a fix just a bit of info to explain why the option to change it isn't there, it'll only take an external microphone if that microphones cord has a third line on the jack. For example the iphone headphones have it and if you plug them in you can use them as headphones.

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Ignore me I'm an idiot, this info was already posted and explained way better. Never mind!!=] haha
 
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