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As long as the user is allowed to fall back on pin numbers, the phone would not be any more secure than it is now. If a thief knows how to get past the pin code, he just has to say "I have a cut on my finger" and get to the pin code stage that he already knows how to get past. It may be more convenient, but not more secure.

I never understood the argument that fingerprints are more secure than password. It's like using a more complicated password, except you leave it everywhere you touch! :)
 
Go preach to Google and all their Acqui-Hires of small App developers never to be heard from again, eh? Oh, forgot about that?

This is a bit different. Also, many of us don't much care about Google.

Apple and Google are not purchasing the companies. They are hiring the engineers that come with them. It's called Acqui-Hire. It's here, it ain't goin no place, so deal with it.

Uh? That's exactly what they do? https://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/27/apple-to-buy-authentec-for-356-million/

I'm sick of all this puberty based whining about big Bad Apple. All the others do it as well. It's just "cooler" to take swipes at the big kid on the block.

Yeah, or maybe it's genuine upset and outrage over moves that really aren't, to use your words, "cool."

I didn't like it when Microsoft used to do it back when Apple was a tiny satellite company (metaphorically speaking) orbiting around the Goliath that was MS. I don't like it now when Apple does it.

It's actually unsettling for me for the average person to know about Apple's upcoming and latest products. It's actually a bit annoying. Used to be you could mention a computer Apple made and you'd get a blank stare. Now everyone and their grandmother's on a MBP with an iPhone 5 in their pocket.


If you want to succeed in business this is how you operate. It is not 1962.

You don't have to succeed by choking off any and all competition. I see no reason Apple couldn't license the technology through the corporation they just bought at a steep increase in price. It might even work out better for them-- if they charged enough, their competitors could still sell their products, but would be forced the charge more (or make less per product) due to increased costs.


If you are not happy in your line of work you can, further your education, find a new job, or join the Peace Corps and plant Soybeans in Zambia. :apple:

I like how you denigrate the Peace Corps as if it's the last resort of aimless whiners.

As far as education goes... pretty overrated. We've all got our little four-year degrees here, I'm sure. I'm not sure what good a Master's or PhD would do me..
 
This is a bit different. Also, many of us don't much care about Google.



Uh? That's exactly what they do? https://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/27/apple-to-buy-authentec-for-356-million/



Yeah, or maybe it's genuine upset and outrage over moves that really aren't, to use your words, "cool."

I didn't like it when Microsoft used to do it back when Apple was a tiny satellite company (metaphorically speaking) orbiting around the Goliath that was MS. I don't like it now when Apple does it.

It's actually unsettling for me for the average person to know about Apple's upcoming and latest products. It's actually a bit annoying. Used to be you could mention a computer Apple made and you'd get a blank stare. Now everyone and their grandmother's on a MBP with an iPhone 5 in their pocket.




You don't have to succeed by choking off any and all competition. I see no reason Apple couldn't license the technology through the corporation they just bought at a steep increase in price. It might even work out better for them-- if they charged enough, their competitors could still sell their products, but would be forced the charge more (or make less per product) due to increased costs.




I like how you denigrate the Peace Corps as if it's the last resort of aimless whiners.

As far as education goes... pretty overrated. We've all got our little four-year degrees here, I'm sure. I'm not sure what good a Master's or PhD would do me..

Book your ticket to Zambia. ;)
 
worst then microsoft

Apple is playing its own game. they should not be able to buy stuff and not let other companies have no access to it--its worst than microsoft---at least microsoft get people involve not --following sheeps.
 
wait...what? are you saying they shouldnt acquire talent because their competitors will then have more work to do?



do you know what a monopoly is? apple products have so much market share competition its not even funny. Google, Samsung, HTC, Nokia, RIM, Amazon, Microsoft, etc....take your pick. monopoly it aint.

If :apple: uses their billions of $$$ to buy out "think tank" companies and give themselves the right to the patents of whatever the company in said had, it is no better than owning and controling the right of free-thought, and, as we have seen, the :apple: is consuming more and more of these companies for their technological innovation.
 
As long as the user is allowed to fall back on pin numbers, the phone would not be any more secure than it is now. If a thief knows how to get past the pin code, he just has to say "I have a cut on my finger" and get to the pin code stage that he already knows how to get past. It may be more convenient, but not more secure.

generally speaking it is almost always required to have that fall back.I found the finger print just made things easier to unlock the phone or it did on my atrix until it broke.
 
Seems gimmicky. Just my personal opinion. Especially with apps like "Find My iPhone" that can shut off your device.


Can I borrow your time machine to see what exactly it is Apple has done with these technology? I'm assuming you have one since you seem so certain that whatever it is they ended up doing is gimmicky.
 
generally speaking it is almost always required to have that fall back.I found the finger print just made things easier to unlock the phone or it did on my atrix until it broke.

The finger?

Seriously the gangsters, ID thieves etc. won't care and if it serves their purposes we'll soon see reports of people having their fingers cut off!
 
Wow, The fingerprint reader of the ThinkPads are the best in class, I'm sure they are in a state of panic as the article says.

In other news, a MacBook Pro with a fingerprint reader should look really rare.
 
If history s any indicator... The future is not so bright. Remember the hype surrounding Apple acquiring Liquid Metal IP right? So far this has only produced SIM ejector. Then there were Placebase, Poly9, and C3 Technologies. Result? Apple Maps :p

And obviously HP and Samsung have nothing to worry about. Here is a list of companies producing fingerprint sensors:

Alps Electric
Atmel
Atrua
AU Optronics
Authentec
BMF
Casio
Casio + Alps
Cecrop, KSI, Sannaedle
Dakty (formerly Delsy)
Digital Persona
EgisTec (formerly LighTuning)
ElecVision
Ethentica
Fidelica
Fingerprint Cards
FlashScan3D
Fujitsu
Hitachi
Idex
IMEN
Infineon (Siemens)
LighTuning (now Egistec)
LiteOn
Melfas
Mitsumi
NEC
NTT
NanoIdent
Silicon Display Technology
Seiko Epson
Sharp
Sonavation
Sony
Symwave
TesTech / Integrated Biometrics
TST touchless
Ultrascan
Upek
Validity
Veridicom

It's hard for me to imagine that I would ever spend my valuable time trolling the rumor site of a company that I hated. I'm not sure what goes through your mind, but I'm glad I don't know that kind deep seated hatred in my own life.
 
Example of the evils of Patents.

Apple looks like it is moving to the downhill phase of its existence where it spends its energy protecting its lead via patent games instead of innovating.

As you noticed, they are suing anything not nailed down. Now they are buying important technology and patents and refusing to continue existing license agreements or negotiate new ones.

I have used and loved my Macintosh computers since 1984 but they were a far less obnoxious company when they were the underdog.
 
That's funny. I had a discussion in the MBP forums about a year or so ago and was ridiculed for saying that fingerprint readers had there place. I was told by multiple users that they were useless. Lo and behold, they'll suddenly be a great idea when Apple starts using them. Other companies have been using them for years. Now the big bully Apple will do as they usually do when they acquire a company and shut everyone else off.
 
That's funny. I had a discussion in the MBP forums about a year or so ago and was ridiculed for saying that fingerprint readers had there place. I was told by multiple users that they were useless. Lo and behold, they'll suddenly be a great idea when Apple starts using them. Other companies have been using them for years. Now the big bully Apple will do as they usually do when they acquire a company and shut everyone else off.

IMO if you can directly integrate it on screen or trackpad, it's a great idea. If its s separate module, it won't be a very cool idea anymore.
 
Why won't it be any good if it's not integrated?

1. Will disrupt the neat look of MacBook lines.
2. Everyone else does it on laptops :p (integrated)
3. Personally, I think, in 2-3 generations, apple will introduce an iPhone will a virtual home button, making the entire front with glass/display. In that case, it also needs to be somehow integrated (or put it behind the phone).
 
This would be a great solution to the security problem on iOS devices. The current four-digit password is easily cracked. Longer passwords are available, but no one uses those due to its inconvenience. Fingerprint scanning would provide a much higher bar for security while making device access even simpler.
 
What if I have a cut on my thumb/finger(s)? Will I be locked out? :eek:

That's an interesting question. Could you then use your thumb/finger of your other hand? Convenience-wise this technology is great, but I wonder if this can be made any more un-hackable than passwords? After all these scanners merely convert one's fingerprint into a string of Os and 1s, not unlike what a password is converted into.

Annnnnd the Goliath that is Apple gobbles up another company again to "incorporate" their innovation with total disregard of the consequences of what it will do to the world.

It's not all gloom and doom; there are other companies that have developed similar technologies. These are merely select 'smart' acquisitions by APPLE; purchase those upstarts that have promising and relative technologies before the next guy does. They all do it; it's just business. Remember how ADMOB was snapped up by GOOGLE when APPLE was about to purchase it?
 
Annnnnd the Goliath that is Apple gobbles up another company again to "incorporate" their innovation with total disregard of the consequences of what it will do to the world.

They are winning again but Monopoly isn't just a game :apple:

Um, this is one fingerprint scanning company. There are dozens of others.

This tech is very good - better than anyone else on the market today - but that does not give Apple a monopoly.

Can't help but wonder which or who holds the patient for finger scanning technology..

There are hundreds of them. Apple actually owns a bunch, but fingerprint scanning as a general technology is not patentable.

This would be a great solution to the security problem on iOS devices. The current four-digit password is easily cracked. Longer passwords are available, but no one uses those due to its inconvenience. Fingerprint scanning would provide a much higher bar for security while making device access even simpler.

Though there is no security problem with the way the 4 digit passcode is implemented, fingerprint scanning does offer an extremely high level of security and ease of use.

Integrated into the home button would make it totally transparent to the owner.

The tech they bought is superior to virtually everything else on the market for mobile, so it will be very difficult for anyone else to match them in the marketplace.

That's an interesting question. Could you then use your thumb/finger of your other hand? Convenience-wise this technology is great, but I wonder if this can be made any more un-hackable than passwords? After all these scanners merely convert one's fingerprint into a string of Os and 1s, not unlike what a password is converted into.

What does this mean? Everything digital is stored as 1s and 0s... That has nothing to do with how hackable something is....
 
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There are hundreds of them. Apple actually owns a bunch, but fingerprint scanning as a general technology is not patentable.

Are you sure Apple doesn't have a patent on it? If they have the rectangle patented, I don't see how this can be considered general tech.
 
Can I borrow your time machine to see what exactly it is Apple has done with these technology? I'm assuming you have one since you seem so certain that whatever it is they ended up doing is gimmicky.

I said it SEEMS gimmicky, given solutions that are already offered for security. That would imply that I am unsure of what exactly they plan to do with it, just that the overall concept of fingerprint technology for mobile devices SEEMS gimmicky. Hopefully, Apple will prove otherwise.
 
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