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my lenovo notebook has a fingerprint scanner and the scanner works fine. but as always the software implementation is so cumbersome that the set up is a pain and half the time the system would not unlock although the fingerprints match up and everything would freeze.

if they integrate this right away into the system and make it easy then it wouldbe nice to have fingerprint scanners (assuming they are subsurface and safe). but the windows implementation just sucked and using normal login's was easier.
 
Annnnnd the Goliath that is Apple gobbles up another company again to "incorporate" their innovation with total disregard of the consequences of what it will do to the world.

They are winning again but Monopoly isn't just a game :apple:

Go preach to Google and all their Acqui-Hires of small App developers never to be heard from again, eh? Oh, forgot about that?

Apple and Google are not purchasing the companies. They are hiring the engineers that come with them. It's called Acqui-Hire. It's here, it ain't goin no place, so deal with it.

I'm sick of all this puberty based whining about big Bad Apple. All the others do it as well. It's just "cooler" to take swipes at the big kid on the block.

If Apple, Google, Microsoft, and 100's of others do not have outstanding "Onboarding" Programs these people will simply leave and form another start up with their ideas that did not go with the purchase.

If you want to succeed in business this is how you operate. It is not 1962.
If you are not happy in your line of work you can, further your education, find a new job, or join the Peace Corps and plant Soybeans in Zambia. :apple:
 
Remember how long it took for PA semiconductor to make a completely new ARM core? Like, from 2007ish until last week? None of the companies you listed produce this type of sensor, which is why Apple is buying them.

I'm sure we'll see something from the liquid metal acquisition one day since it seems Apple likes to buy up firms that are on to something but not yet ready to produce.

Exactly what I was going to say. It's not like Apple can just buy a company and immediately incorporate the tech into a new device. These things take TIME (which in today's society is being increasingly valued and de-valued at the same time).

LiquidMetal will most likely be what a future iPhone (and for that matter all other Apple products) are made of. But at this point in time the demand and sheer volume it would take is more than the firm has ever had to produce. TIME.

Those three mapping companies were bought in 2009....3 years ago. How long has Google been consistently working on their maps? A decade+? Again, TIME and exposure to Apple's vast user base will help Apple's maps develop (and since I believe they have a better foundation than Google did, the maturity rate will be exponentially faster).

This purchase (of Authentec) is probably going to be the same deal. While it would be amazing for Apple to incorporate the tech into the iPhone 5S (with the 'S' standing for security as one poster put it) I doubt it will be ready by then. I'm think the iPhone 6 (or next major update) will usher in HUGE innovations in mobile payment systems with this technology at its core.
 
I'd like to see them incorporate it into the home button. Hit the button with your thumb, it senses the fingerprint, unlocks the device. Accidental clicks in your pocket wouldnt unlock it then. bam.
 
Annnnnd the Goliath that is Apple gobbles up another company again to "incorporate" their innovation with total disregard of the consequences of what it will do to the world.

They are winning again but Monopoly isn't just a game :apple:

Many of these acquired companies' innovations may never have seen mass production without a large corporation such as Apple to give them the platform and tools necessary.

Do you think PA Semiconductor would have ever come up with a brand new ARM core by themselves? Currently the fastest on the market?

How about each of those three mapping companies Apple purchased? On their own, would they each have amounted to much? No. There's more to it than Apple simply buying and inserting another company's ideas into its existing products. Apple has a vision of how these technologies work together and I'd argue they do as much work on implementing (and even designing/re-designing) those company's technologies as the companies do coming up with them.
 
Can't help but wonder which or who holds the patient for finger scanning technology..
 
Can't help but wonder which or who holds the patient for finger scanning technology..

I believe Authentec's vast IP and patent holdings are one of the main reasons Apple is purchasing them and also one of the reasons Authentec's soon-to-be former customers aren't very happy about it.
 
Annnnnd the Goliath that is Apple gobbles up another company again to "incorporate" their innovation with total disregard of the consequences of what it will do to the world.

They are winning again but Monopoly isn't just a game :apple:

I'm guessing you don't own any Apple stock? :)
 
One day, Apple will buy everything and we won't need to burden ourselves with things like competition.
 
I can see this being great. Build finger print scanning into the home button. This can be the primary way to unlock your phone to use it, backed up my a pin code if for some reason that it fails (due to a cut on your finger).

I'm guessing that this could make financial transactions much more secure.

Our phones would me more secure, without having to do anything different. Someone else picks up our phone, tries to use it and it won't wake up. We on the other hand simply press the home button wake it up and carry on as usual. Nice security without having to enter a pass-code in a secure pin number.
As long as the user is allowed to fall back on pin numbers, the phone would not be any more secure than it is now. If a thief knows how to get past the pin code, he just has to say "I have a cut on my finger" and get to the pin code stage that he already knows how to get past. It may be more convenient, but not more secure.
 
Remember how long it took for PA semiconductor to make a completely new ARM core? Like, from 2007ish until last week? None of the companies you listed produce this type of sensor, which is why Apple is buying them.

I'm sure we'll see something from the liquid metal acquisition one day since it seems Apple likes to buy up firms that are on to something but not yet ready to produce.

The new 5 is VERY light. :rolleyes:
 
Can't help but wonder which or who holds the patient for finger scanning technology..

There are many methods and technologies that can be used to capture livescan fingerprints. So it's not as simple as one entity holding the patent on the capability.

Additionally, the real technology is in the algorithms used to create templates and match those templates. There are also algorithms used to encrypt templates to make them secure.
 
I think a fingerprint scanner in the home button along with a "keychain" feature like on the Mac would be awesome. Store all your passwords and if you want to skip typing them in, scan your fingerprint and it autofills. That way if your finger print can't scan for whatever reason, typing the password is the fallback. Would also be a good way to unlock the phone. If the phone gets lost, locking it from "Find My iPhone" and requiring a fingerprint to unlock would be cool too.
 
Actually, it's probably more likely that this company can't make enough parts for Apple and all of those other companies...let alone that Apple doesn't want to provide products that it makes to other companies.

First, I doubt the company makes parts at all. It probably outsources them. But ya, dumping all your large customers isn't a typical business decision.


I'm sick of all this puberty based whining about big Bad Apple. All the others do it as well. It's just "cooler" to take swipes at the big kid on the block.

By definition, anti-competitive swipes only apply to the big kid on the block.
 
Different Experience

I've had fingerprint scanners on 4 different brands of PC's and the problems getting the readers to work wasn't worth the efforts and I ended up using the old password logins. It seemed that it took multiple swipes on multiple fingers to get a good reading and half the time I had to rescan the fingers in the set up to get them to work at all.

I have a Sony Vaio work laptop with a fingerprint scanner. I use it many times a day. Both for authentication on a Windows domain, for unlocking from sleep, for logging into websites, etc. It works great.. Been using it for about 3 years now.
 
If history s any indicator... The future is not so bright. Remember the hype surrounding Apple acquiring Liquid Metal IP right? So far this has only produced SIM ejector. Then there were Placebase, Poly9, and C3 Technologies. Result? Apple Maps :p

And obviously HP and Samsung have nothing to worry about. Here is a list of companies producing fingerprint sensors:

Alps Electric
Atmel
Atrua
AU Optronics
Authentec
BMF
Casio
Casio + Alps
Cecrop, KSI, Sannaedle
Dakty (formerly Delsy)
Digital Persona
EgisTec (formerly LighTuning)
ElecVision
Ethentica
Fidelica
Fingerprint Cards
FlashScan3D
Fujitsu
Hitachi
Idex
IMEN
Infineon (Siemens)
LighTuning (now Egistec)
LiteOn
Melfas
Mitsumi
NEC
NTT
NanoIdent
Silicon Display Technology
Seiko Epson
Sharp
Sonavation
Sony
Symwave
TesTech / Integrated Biometrics
TST touchless
Ultrascan
Upek
Validity
Veridicom

Problem is the patents. It could also cost tons of money in early terminating the agreements not something Apple would care about. But what could happen is the patents could be declared FRAND and required so Apple could not lock everyone else out.
 
The Authentec style of finger scanner could be in the top rim of the iPhone.

But what could happen is the patents could be declared FRAND and required so Apple could not lock everyone else out.
Patents are declared FRAND by the patent holders themselves in exchange for being made part of a standard.

A more practical approach would be a reverse patent troll, who buys the key patents and offers it for a fixed low fee. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Apple were to seed such a firm with $1B for the rational purpose of making key technologies more accessable for all users. Besides it would be profitable!

Rocketman
 
But what could happen is the patents could be declared FRAND and required so Apple could not lock everyone else out.

Patents aren't just randomly declared FRAND. Apple would have to enter into an agreement as part of the development of a standard to license their patents related to the standard on FRAND terms.
 
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