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ToroidalZeus said:
You're example with Corvettes just proves my point. Everyone is modding their Corvette LS engines to get better performance. Much like how I modded the G4 Cube to get better performance.

website link for proof: http://ls1tech.com/forums/
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You did not "mod" your engine, you totally replaced it with one that doesn't fit or feel good in a Corvette. Like putting a V12 from a Lamborghini in a Corvette: surely faster, but not appropriate. And you ruined that Corvette, which was a piece of car history.

Not that you can even put a Lambo engine in a Corvette.

Your "mod" has nothing to do with a Cube.
 
mikiotty said:
You did not "mod" your engine, you totally replaced it with one that doesn't fit or feel good in a Corvette. Like putting a V12 from a Lamborghini in a Corvette: surely faster, but not appropriate. And you ruined that Corvette, which was a piece of car history.

Not that you can even put a Lambo engine in a Corvette.

Your "mod" has nothing to do with a Cube.
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It's called an engine swap and it's a common procedure. When the stock engine cannot be upgraded any more -- like the PowerPC G4 cannot-- then it's time to replace it.

FYI a V12 from a Lamborghini would not necessary be faster than an LSx in a Corvette and the LSx has more aftermarket support making it easier to modify. And coincidentally the LSx engine in the Corvette is one of the most popular engines for swaps.

Like I said, the Corvette example is quite possibly the worst example anyone could make as it completely supports my viewpoint.
 
ToroidalZeus said:
You're example with Corvettes just proves my point. Everyone is modding their Corvette LS engines to get better performance. Much like how I modded the G4 Cube to get better performance.

website link for proof: http://ls1tech.com/forums/
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Um, no "bro" because you're taking it out of out of its original context. I was speaking about cosmetics, which has been the point all along, has it not?

You're not really modding your cube, you used the case of one. Much like taking an uniteresting brand new Ford Tarus and throwing a 50 year old Corevette body shell on it, rather than upgrading the 1965 Corvette itself... Which still isn't accurate considering how far more complex that would be.

You're not improving the hardware of the original, you're entirely and completely replacing it. It's not as amazing as you think it is.

A better example might be taking a ball out of black matte plastic box and putting the ball in a shiney silver box. The shiney silver box looks out of place amongst its neighboring matte black 3D shape friends it lives with on a table.

If you want to go along with this alternative engine swap example, which is still a fallacy because you relaxed the entire computer, not selective lasts, but whatever--- this was not a drop in engine as you make it sound. You can do bend the hood over the top of the engine and cut out some of the body panels to get the new engine to fit...

And then you your corvette with a lambo engine and put a on a trailer hitch, a ski rack, 15" steel wheels with knobby off road tires, an orange flashing light bar off a tow truck, and Mercedes emblems on it... Stuff the looks completely mismatched.
 
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A.Goldberg said:
Um, no "bro" because you're taking it out of out of its original context. I was speaking about cosmetics, which has been the point all along, has it not?

You're not really modding your cube, you used the case of one. Much like taking an uniteresting brand new Ford Tarus and throwing a 50 year old Corevette body shell on it, rather than upgrading the 1965 Corvette itself... Which still isn't accurate considering how far more complex that would be.

You're not improving the hardware of the original, you're entirely and completely replacing it. It's not as amazing as you think it is.

A better example might be taking a ball out of black matte plastic box and putting the ball in a shiney silver box. The shiney silver box looks out of place amongst its neighboring matte black 3D shape friends it lives with on a table.

If you want to go along with this alternative engine swap example, which is still a fallacy because you relaxed the entire computer, not selective lasts, but whatever--- this was not a drop in engine as you make it sound. You can do bend the hood over the top of the engine and cut out some of the body panels to get the new engine to fit...

And then you your corvette with a lambo engine and put a on a trailer hitch, a ski rack, 15" steel wheels with knobby off road tires, an orange flashing light bar off a tow truck, and Mercedes emblems on it... Stuff the looks completely mismatched.
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Don't forget the giant spoiler and loud mufflers!
 
ToroidalZeus said:
You're example with Corvettes just proves my point. Everyone is modding their Corvette LS engines to get better performance. Much like how I modded the G4 Cube to get better performance.

website link for proof: http://ls1tech.com/forums/
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There is a difference between modding an engine and the internals of a computer. With the engine, you keep the block and mod the heads and exhaust manifolds, throw in a supercharger, get better cooling and boom you get horsepower. You still keep the original block (in the computer example, the motherboard) and add on (much like one would upgrade the CPU, GPU, and RAM in a computer) What you did is basically taking the body and chassis of a Toyota from 2000 and putting the LS engine in it along with a crap ton of aftermarket parts. You technically now have a "Corvette" but in reality it is a Toyota with too much money in it.
 
bunnspecial said:
@A.Goldberg

Perhaps I should pus an LS7 Corvette engine and the matching transmission in my MG and then take a Sawzall to the hood and transmission tunnel to make everything fit.

I think that's maybe an appropriate comparison to make here.
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The B got a V8 so you likely wouldn't need to do much cutting.

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Gent's lets stop the car analogies none are good.
 
lowendlinux said:
The B got a V8 so you likely wouldn't need to do much cutting.
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The late model year GTs did get the Rover V8.

I've seen an LS1 fitted to a B GT, but it wasn't as "plug and play" as a Rover V8 swap. The engine bay had to be modded a lot for the engine to fit at the normal height, and the gear shift was moved back about 3"(which strikes me as really uncomfortable). The work was exceptionally well done and it did actually look good when finished aside from the the tires that were too wide and sat too far out for my taste.

My point being, though, was that it was actually done right-like I've seen many Cube conversions done. The LS1 swap wasn't to my taste, just as Cube conversions aren't, but the good ones actually take the time to make stuff fit.

Going back to my MGB comparison, the OP's swap is like dropping the LS1 into the engine bay and-as I said-cutting the top of the hood out to make it fit rather than taking the time to do it right.
 
bunnspecial said:
The late model year GTs did get the Rover V8.

I've seen an LS1 fitted to a B GT, but it wasn't as "plug and play" as a Rover V8 swap. The engine bay had to be modded a lot for the engine to fit at the normal height, and the gear shift was moved back about 3"(which strikes me as really uncomfortable). The work was exceptionally well done and it did actually look good when finished aside from the the tires that were too wide and sat too far out for my taste.

My point being, though, was that it was actually done right-like I've seen many Cube conversions done. The LS1 swap wasn't to my taste, just as Cube conversions aren't, but the good ones actually take the time to make stuff fit.

Going back to my MGB comparison, the OP's swap is like dropping the LS1 into the engine bay and-as I said-cutting the top of the hood out to make it fit rather than taking the time to do it right.
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They got them in '73 which is decidedly not late.

But I agree the cube wasn't done right.
 
mikiotty said:
After 15 years, even an engine from a Vespa would be better than the 75hp in my Lanos. What a crappy engine.
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Wait... You drive a Daewoo Lanos?

bunnspecial said:
The late model year GTs did get the Rover V8.
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Terrible engine, at least in the later years, not sure about the orginal design before they kept boring it out. Actually is based off the Buick 216 engine if I remember correctly
 
A.Goldberg said:
Wait... You drive a Daewoo Lanos?


Terrible engine, at least in the later years, not sure about the orginal design before they kept boring it out. Actually is based off the Buick 216 engine if I remember correctly
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Ah yes, the GM 216 straight-six. Notorious for having problems. It had plenty of torque, but never enough oil. If I remember right, those weren't a pressurized system, they were 'splashing' oil. Even the later 235 (much better engine BTW) didn't run with full pressure, but you can do some modifications to make that reality. It involves tapping a hole into the block and running a line. But, the 216 isn't a V8, if I recall, its a straight-six.
 
A.Goldberg said:
Wait... You drive a Daewoo Lanos?


Terrible engine, at least in the later years, not sure about the orginal design before they kept boring it out. Actually is based off the Buick 216 engine if I remember correctly
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I think most of the British makers who use a V8 have switched over to the AJ-V8, which is a fantastic engine.

Admittedly, I'm rather partial to the AJ-V8 as my daily driver uses the American variant of that engine.
 
mikiotty said:
Unfortunately, yes... Not for long though.
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Impossible. Why is that unfortunate? It's a Lanos!

128keaton said:
I realize my mistake. I saw buick thought GM.
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128keaton said:
Ah yes, the GM 216 straight-six. Notorious for having problems. It had plenty of torque, but never enough oil. If I remember right, those weren't a pressurized system, they were 'splashing' oil. Even the later 235 (much better engine BTW) didn't run with full pressure, but you can do some modifications to make that reality. It involves tapping a hole into the block and running a line. But, the 216 isn't a V8, if I recall, its a straight-six.
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Buick *215. The problems of typing on a cell phone. Anyways, this is back in the 1960's when GM divisions would make their own engine designs, prior extensive parts sharing and rebadging.
 
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bunnspecial said:
I think most of the British makers who use a V8 have switched over to the AJ-V8, which is a fantastic engine.

Admittedly, I'm rather partial to the AJ-V8 as my daily driver uses the American variant of that engine.
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Yes, Jaguar have been using the AJ-V8 since the late 1990's, along with the LS/Thunderbird and some Aston Martins.

Land Rover dropped in the AJ-V8 in 2005 shortly after being purchased by Ford with the 2005 4.4 NA AJ-V8 LR3 and then in the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport in 2006. The RR/RRS also got the 4.2 Supercharged. Prior to that, BMW used their 4.4 V8 in the 2003-2005 Range Rover, and all other gas V8 models prior used a variation of the Rover V8 (most recently 4.6L and 4.0 versions, but it was originally 3.5).

When Ford purchased LR, they opted out of continuing to use the BMW 4.4 V8 as the engine cost alone was more than the production cost of a V6 mustang.

According to one of my Rover books, the 1996-2002 model was supposed to get a BMW V8, but by the design was too far along and the 4.4 didn't fit in the vehicle. So they opted to use bore out the existing 3.9L & 4.2L Rover V8's to 4.0 & 4.6L... which were all terrible motor interms of reliability. BMW had planned to make a premium V12 Range Rover trim. They actually made a prototype but had to extend the hood accommodate the extra length of the engine block.

The new Land Rovers (aside from Freelander and Disco Sport) use the AJ-V6 SC (a modified ford engine) or a variation of the AJ-V8.

My Dad's '12 RRS has the NA 5.0 AJ-V8. It's a great engine and has had zero problems. Overall they have a great reputation, especially compared to the a Rover engines.

TMI?
 
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MagicBoy said:
Only 11 years after the B launched. ;)
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and 7 years until they ceased production so nicely in the middle

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My first car was a '64 which had everything bun wants from the dash to the spinners. It took me two years to get it to running and serviceable condition. I took my drivers test in it, drove it for 6 months and sold it and bought a Fiat that didn't rust and actually ran if it wasn't sunny and not too humid. I have 5 more of those then bought a baby Porsche that had fuel injection. I've spent most of my driving life owning and racing old euro steel and American trucks to tow them.
 
A.Goldberg said:
Impossible. Why is that unfortunate? It's a Lanos!



Buick *215. The problems of typing on a cell phone. Anyways, this is back in the 1960's when GM divisions would make their own engine designs, prior extensive parts sharing and rebadging.
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Cellphone :). I was wondering because I know that the 216 is a straight-six. I removed one and have a 235 rebuilt in its place.
 
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