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Backoff Apple! Don't want iTunes in dock...

Doctor Q said:
My status as an administrator doesn't make my opinions any better or worse than anyone else's.
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Perhaps a better example would be if you invoked a web browser you wanted to try out and it changed your settings to become your default web browser without asking you. That's a case where I would expect most users to find fault with the software, based on the same principle.
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Of course your status doesn't affect my opinion of your opinions. But, do we really want to upset you? I'm too afraid of wrathfulness and vengance and all that jazz :)

I see a difference between the dock and the web browser analogy. With the dock, what has been done it right in the user's face - there is nothing hidden or unknown. With the defalt setting on the browser, that would be surripticious (sp?) - I don't know what happened until I open a link from outside the browser. The dock I see right away and can act accordingly - unlike those fools at HP that set their printer tools to appear in the dock each time I rebooted...:mad: (if iTunes was to do that, I would see the reason for being upset)
 
Doctor Q said:
My status as an administrator doesn't make my opinions any better or worse than anyone else's.
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But you do have the power to smite us, so others should be warned to disagree with Doctor Q at their own peril.

For the record, I agree with Q, even without a looming threat of being extinguished from the face of the Earth.
 
Although I agree with the original poster in principle, I kinda wish I had an app that did that. It's so satisfying to see that poof when I remove an item from the dock, and I hardly ever get to do it. But in fact I want iTunes on the dock, so no soup for me!
 
wordmunger said:
Although I agree with the original poster in principle, I kinda wish I had an app that did that. It's so satisfying to see that poof when I remove an item from the dock, and I hardly ever get to do it. But in fact I want iTunes on the dock, so no soup for me!
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Go ahead...open up your Applications folder and drag a bunch of apps onto the dock. A whole bunch, like 15 or 20. Then go right down the line and remove them all. Poof! Poof Poof! Poof! Poof Poof Poof!

It's like crack, only better.
 
I agree that it comes off as a tad presumptuous for a developer to automatically place an alias in your dock or on your desktop, although it doesn't bother me with iTunes as I use it daily and would have to put it there if it weren't already being done for me.

OTOH, I frequently put other things in my Dock just to make them poof away. Spent several hours doing that over and over with Quark just this morning.;) Just kidding. Quark is not in my Dock any longer. InDesign all the way, baby!:p
 
zelmo said:
OTOH, I frequently put other things in my Dock just to make them poof away. Spent several hours doing that over and over with Quark just this morning.;)
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While I don't think I ever will spend much time poofing away dock items for fun (to each his own, I guess :confused: ), it does go to show you that it is incredibly easy to get things in and out of there. I really don't think it's a big issue.
 
I, for one, agree with you. Its all symbolic, but I can't stand anyone shoving stuff into my Dock or Menu Bar without my express permission.
 
A new System preference perhaps, under "Appearance" or in Finder Preferences: "Place newly installed applications in Dock." That way you could easily choose how you want installers to run (at least those using the OS X Installer). I for one would like to have more of the applications I install automatically go to the Dock.
 
I'm not so bothered by icons in the Dock since it is so easy to get rid of them.
Default settings etc are more annoying since it takes a little effort to change them again.

But, we have to remember that Apple to tend to cater to the lowest common Mac user - the consumer who knows very little. I have a family member who regularly 'loses' things out of her Dock since she drags too far and 'poof' and she can't remember how to put them back. For her, this will be like magic...
 
I have been using Macs for 20 years and use it for a living as well. Love them, but can not see myself agreeing with everything Apple does, just because it is Apple.

As a clarification for those who assume updates mean usage, Software Update updates iTunes, whether you use it or not. So, updating does not mean anything about usage. I'd rather have it update instead of the Software Update box filling up with updates that I have opted to ignore.

Finally, usage has nothing to do with whether someone else or I decide what goes into the dock. I agree it is just a drag. There are so many things in life that are easy to fix, but I don't think that means it is okay for someone else to do anything just because it can be easily undone. If there is no functional reason for the icon to be in the dock, I consider it personal preference.
 
I would imagine that if you don't use iTunes you could also delete it completely so it won't continue to update.
 
I don't get the point of this thread. I've never got an app that changed my dock, nor any system update.

Am I missing something here?
 
Voidness said:
I don't get the point of this thread. I've never got an app that changed my dock, nor any system update.

Am I missing something here?
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If you didn't have iTunes in your Dock, and then you downloaded the iTunes update, the update added iTunes to your Dock. If you did have iTunes in your Dock, then you wouldn't have noticed anything odd.
 
WildCowboy said:
But you do have the power to smite us, so others should be warned to disagree with Doctor Q at their own peril.
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I probably won't smite anybody today, because then I have to issue a report to the Smite Review Board, and if I don't cross all my Ts and dot all my Is then I have to go to a review hearing, and then I have to put on shiny shoes and a tie instead of tennis shoes and a T-shirt from ThinkGeek. And my shiny shoes are way back in the closet and there might be spiders in there.

It's true that Dock icons are quick to spot and change. For many people, the Desktop would be the same way. I usually have so many windows open, and so many documents and folders for activities-in-progress on my Desktop that I might not spot a new one right away.

The problem I actually had with iWeb and GarageBand jumping into my Dock is that I'm so used to my Dock arrangement that I click mostly by position, not by icon. So I tried to launch an application that always lives in the same position and got another application instead. Enough to make me grumble at the iLife installer, but not a big enough deal to make me smite it!
 
First off, who doesn't use iTunes?!?!?!?!!?? :eek: jk. I mean, I use it but...:)
But seriously, I'm willing to go out on a limb and says most Mac people want iTunes in their dock. So, for most people it's fine.
And seriously, the puff's fun, and it takes about a royal second to pull it off. :cool:
The default browser analogy is a completely different issue in my eyes. That's a lot more serious if it goes in and changes your preferences for a major thing on your computer. It's not hard to change, but a lot of people still don't even know how to. So it's like, "Oh _____ came up when I clicked on a link!" and a lot of users don't know how to switch that back or wouldn't catch what exactly happened.
And with something in preferences you don't get the happy little puff! :p :D
So, sorry it annoys you, but I see this as a quite miniscule issue....:)
 
I'm willing to go out on a limb and says most Mac people want iTunes in their dock.
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Then if the installer/updater asks you can say yes. It isn't a big deal, but I will second what Doctor Q says, no installer/updater should change the users personal settings, the user needs FULL control of their computer, and even if we can go and easily remove the icon, just putting it there without asking the user is wrong, IMHO.
 
As to previous posts about the "gods" and their ability to smite, I will say it doesnt scare me. But I will admit that when I see "goddess" in the title, I cant help but be a little turned on with the visuals this word stirs up and wish that I were penalized with a small but deliberate spanking.
 
WildCowboy said:
For the record, I agree with Q, even without a looming threat of being extinguished from the face of the Earth.
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"I for one welcome our new Q overlords..."
zelmo said:
OTOH, I frequently put other things in my Dock just to make them poof away. Spent several hours doing that over and over with Quark just this morning.
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You gave their stock blueballs by doing that.
The Past said:
As a clarification for those who assume updates mean usage, Software Update updates iTunes, whether you use it or not. So, updating does not mean anything about usage. I'd rather have it update instead of the Software Update box filling up with updates that I have opted to ignore.
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Erm, if you tell Software Update to ignore the update, you won't see it anymore.
freeny said:
As to previous posts about the "gods" and their ability to smite, I will say it doesnt scare me. But I will admit that when I see "goddess" in the title, I cant help but be a little turned on with the visuals this word stirs up and wish that I were penalized with a small but deliberate spanking.
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Into goddesses eh? ;)
 
DEAR GOD! YOUR RIGHT!!
How dare apple cost you ONE SECOND of your time! Ad that up for every update (say 1 a month) and that's TWELVE SECONDS A YEAR!!!!!

SUE THE BASTARDS!
 
I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. Some of us put a lot of thought and time into getting our desktops the way we like them. It is highly presumptuous and arrogant for Apple or any other company to mess with our carefully designed customizations.
 
Apple wants iTunes in the dock always...it's bad real bad. You should give up on Apple.

Don't fret little one, there are bigger issues at hand...you know like all those trojans found in Mac OSX! OMGWTFBBQ!
 
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