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Ban on Sale of Samsung Galaxy Smartphones in EU Set for October 13th
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I'm very disappointed that Apple has become so pathetic that its resorting to actually removing one of their competitors products completely. Totally idiotic move (IMO of course).
Maybe the iPod Touch should be banned for replicating one of those old PocketPC palmtops. Or maybe the AppStore should be banned for copying the old GameSpy app that let you buy & download games to with Windows PC.
Its getting seriously pathetic. Don't start with all that 'Well they shouldn't have copied the design' as I can walk into my local Maplin or PC world and see 30 tablets that look identical. Shockingly thats how things work. You don't see an exclusive on one company being able to have circular wheels, or restrictions on Linux for having a clickable menu in the bottom left corner.
I bet if LG had sued Apple over the iPhone being a replica of the Prada this would be a completely different story and you'd all be moaning that LG were the bad guys for picking on Apple...
(*awaits pathetic down votes) - I won't be responding or reading responses so feel free to talk amongst yourselves
Maybe the iPod Touch should be banned for replicating one of those old PocketPC palmtops. Or maybe the AppStore should be banned for copying the old GameSpy app that let you buy & download games to with Windows PC.
Its getting seriously pathetic. Don't start with all that 'Well they shouldn't have copied the design' as I can walk into my local Maplin or PC world and see 30 tablets that look identical. Shockingly thats how things work. You don't see an exclusive on one company being able to have circular wheels, or restrictions on Linux for having a clickable menu in the bottom left corner.
I bet if LG had sued Apple over the iPhone being a replica of the Prada this would be a completely different story and you'd all be moaning that LG were the bad guys for picking on Apple...
(*awaits pathetic down votes) - I won't be responding or reading responses so feel free to talk amongst yourselves
One wonders what Apple will get hit with seeing how its Patents appear to be swiss cheese.
It's funny, they'll say this is about innovation and that it's about protecting innovation yet most of the Cupertino Carl's will use the "Well was it patented?!" line so quick your head will spin. It really shows what at least their motive is.
Hopefully. I'm hoping they have a few more patents they can slap at Apple now. Really not feeling like I should be an Apple Fan right now....too many lawyers working there now!
I agree
I agree completely, in the end, most the people on these forums are not the executives, nor the law-team of multibillion dollar companies. This is the name of the game right now, suck it up and let Apple fight their legal wars. Stop complaining. It doesn't make them a bad company or ethically a-moral, it makes their legal department very active. Any one of these companies would and ARE doing the same. You can patent some pretty dumb stuff, don't yell at the students, fire the teacher who put the stupid system into place.
Any one of you would take advantage of such a system, it's human nature and capitalism at its best.
Samsung has been copying Apple for years, they copied the click-wheel and navigation system on their knock-off mp3 payers years ago, they are pulling the same antics now.
In my industry, intellectual rights are taken seriously. If one stole the title and main character of a script or novel I was writing and I had registered with the writer's guild, I would hope to God no one who say, "well, there's only so many ways to do a story really." Nonsense. Intellectual rights need to be upheld, ESPECIALLY for the small guys. Apple isn't small, but getting the governments to uphold their word and protect patent holders ensures that the all-mighty patent will continue to be respected.
I agree completely, in the end, most the people on these forums are not the executives, nor the law-team of multibillion dollar companies. This is the name of the game right now, suck it up and let Apple fight their legal wars. Stop complaining. It doesn't make them a bad company or ethically a-moral, it makes their legal department very active. Any one of these companies would and ARE doing the same. You can patent some pretty dumb stuff, don't yell at the students, fire the teacher who put the stupid system into place.
Any one of you would take advantage of such a system, it's human nature and capitalism at its best.
Samsung has been copying Apple for years, they copied the click-wheel and navigation system on their knock-off mp3 payers years ago, they are pulling the same antics now.
In my industry, intellectual rights are taken seriously. If one stole the title and main character of a script or novel I was writing and I had registered with the writer's guild, I would hope to God no one who say, "well, there's only so many ways to do a story really." Nonsense. Intellectual rights need to be upheld, ESPECIALLY for the small guys. Apple isn't small, but getting the governments to uphold their word and protect patent holders ensures that the all-mighty patent will continue to be respected.
They were not the first. Dont confuse first to succeed with first to try. The former is rarely the latter.
Oh, how could i ever live without image swiping and thumbnails. THANK YOU APPLE.
And in doing so they were fine with "stealing" a bunch of stuff, while slamming down hard on others for using their so called inventions.
Yada yada...
Hate to tell you...
I hate to tell you, but before the iPhone in 2007... swiping to go through photos did not exist. I was there and I saw the keyboard. Is it obvious now? Sure. But back then it was a totally new way to do these things.
Samsung swiped the swipe?
1 vote here for the "Surely that's too obvious to patent, that's just a design decision not an innovation" side.
I hate to tell you, but before the iPhone in 2007... swiping to go through photos did not exist. I was there and I saw the keyboard. Is it obvious now? Sure. But back then it was a totally new way to do these things.
Samsung can now officially be part of the long list of unoriginal hack companies. Think of your own ideas you unoriginal bastards!
This is the equivalent of the uncool kid in school that tries to emulate everything the cool kids do. A loser wannabe. It's shameful that high paid engineers can't be more original.
This is the equivalent of the uncool kid in school that tries to emulate everything the cool kids do. A loser wannabe. It's shameful that high paid engineers can't be more original.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXl1GkWWGmA
Are you related to this man?
People have been "swiping" through books for centuries.
Why do people continually make this statement here (and statements of its type)? You're not a CEO of a billion dollar company.... Look at the armchair lawyers... You're not Steve Jobs....
This is a discussion forum where people will discuss differing opinions. Why should that stop because someone isn't a CEO?
You problably should ask your wife, but if I'm not mistaken, this would concern prior art and Apple's claim of originality.
(Opera might actually have a patent for it, who knows.)
That's because most phones used resistive screens and stylus.
Put a coffee table book down flat and tell me what "gesture" you use to turn the page on that book. It's a swipe.
We're waiting.
So far, no injunctions against any Apple products and it's been a few years since 2007.
Apple's competitors have tried, and keep trying, but it looks like Apple is the only one winning the big decisions.
One need not wonder why. First-mover status with Apple's attention to detail and design (and the shrewdness to patent whatever they can), and Apple's fearlessness when it comes to taking big risks is the reason.
Samsung et al have had the opportunity to pull off a June 2007 and a January 2010. It could have been the Samsung iPhone or the HTC iPad, but both of these game-changing, standard-setting products that either created entire markets or redefined them have an Apple logo on them.
Why is that?
Why is it that Apple seems to be the only one pulling off these amazing feats each time? Why is it that Apple seems to be the only one willing to take major risks in order to execute their vision? Why is it that Apple's devices end up the standard by which all others in their respective segments are judged (and devices which continue to set the standard years later)?
Why is it that we're seeing Steve Jobs here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0CANCs5Sg4 and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qPAY9JqE4, and not Samsung's Yoon Woon Lee? Or HTC's Peter Chou? Or Steve Ballmer?
Why is that?
You know you can use that same reasoning to rationalize pretty much anything right? Like, eating babies. Stop complaining!
Who are you to tell us what to do? What to think? What to like? Sure, Apple can say **** you and your opinion, but we are in every right to voice our concerns with the current direction.
Consumer awareness is (albeit slowly) on the rise. **** you and your corporate bullcrap. Its our world, not yours.
p.s. i sometimes enjoy getting a bit carried away, take the above post with a bucket of salt. still, point remains. :- )
I am well aware that software is not hardware. It is not Google making the hardware. I get that. (actually... we do have Google-rolla now)
There are different ways to navigate a touch device and still give your product it's own UI and it's own look. Windows Phone 7 perhaps?
Such a petty and feeble reply. You're as unoriginal as these hack companies.
Some how in this whole situation you fail to see that Apple placed and injunction on someone for patent violations and pretty much had the entire case thrown out and a patent invalidated. Apple lost big in this. Samsung spends an hour changing its Photo App and OTA's it and they are done while Apple loses a patent in its small portfolio (compared to the others.)
Read my other responses. Your ability to read an entire thread is feeble.
You spend the time and money it takes to invent a different way of doing things.
After you spend all your time and money on that and release your product make sure to share all your ideas with others in the business so they can be successful, too, without having to invest the time and money you did.
This touch screen phone phenomenon is not the end of the road in mobile computing. Something better will come along. It always does.
What exactly are you inferring Google stole? The icon/grid based UI?
I still use all the same fingers and swipe gestures to navigate my Omnia 7 than I do my Nexus S and iPod touch. What is so different about the manipulation of WP7 in your eyes?
Yes, but Samsung have already updated their app. This has rendered Apple's entire legal process, costs, time, etc. etc. absolutely useless. What a waste of shareholder reserves.
And to be honest, Sammy look like they're in a stronger position right now, considering that Apple may have been doctoring evidence and their patent case has been dismissed here.
Apparently HTC Touch 2007 had it*. So it did exist, although perhaps not as refined. Second, the latter has very little to do with whether or not it was obvious before or not. It is rather about ones ability to implement such a thing given technical constraints etc.
* Im sure that those originally developing the technique threw something similar together as well. Images tend to be fairly common elements in touch-proto's.