I think the issue here is Apples refusal to cross license; something those who have been "playing ball" have been doing for years to keep the game "friendly".
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Ban on Sale of Samsung Galaxy Smartphones in EU Set for October 13th
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I think the issue here is Apples refusal to cross license; something those who have been "playing ball" have been doing for years to keep the game "friendly".
Won't happen. You think Samsung is one big company? Samsung is a gazillion companies combined. Apple might be sueing their Mobile and tablets department but their chips are a different business.
Also, Samsung will be shooting itself in the foot if it goes there. Apple can -and has- change chip manufacturer, won't be an overnight process, but it's doable.
How can anybody patent this sort of thing?
I haven't read the patent, and I'm not a lawyer, but surely something as general as transitioning from one image to the next in this sort of way shouldn't be permissible for patenting?
I haven't read the patent, and I'm not a lawyer, but surely something as general as transitioning from one image to the next in this sort of way shouldn't be permissible for patenting?
Of course not. Everyone knows that one could never tell the two apart, and that no one other than Apple is ever innovative. f
no as in not sale or no effect? 13th October is quite some time, and I'll probably buy one anyway(SGS2).
I see what you are saying and I am conflicted. On the one hand, it looks obvious, but on the other hand until iPhone came out we had to click on arrows to switch to the next photo. If it was so obvious, why did it take so long?
Will they be banned on October 13th whatever Samsung does, or will the ban be removed if Samsung removes the offending code?
If it is the latter, then I'd call it a Samsung victory.
If it is the latter, then I'd call it a Samsung victory.
Thats the underlying problem. How can someone patent a natural "gesture". Can Apple patent shaking your head as a method of input to determine an output?
The later. You can't have a product embargo on an item thats not violating a patent anymore.
80% of what, 1% of the population? Unless you expect only slim growth in the segment i dont get your point.
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Obviously the latter.
Where are all the members who said that Samsung's products would definitely be banned because the Galaxy S/Galaxy Tab looked exactly the same as the iPhone/iPad?
A new Gallery will most likely be included in a software update before the ban even starts and that's the end of that. Everyone will move on, except for Apple, who will continue looking through their portfolio of patents and see who has money to be sued out of.
A new Gallery will most likely be included in a software update before the ban even starts and that's the end of that. Everyone will move on, except for Apple, who will continue looking through their portfolio of patents and see who has money to be sued out of.
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Well said.
According to this site, to be eligible for a patent an invention 'must not be obvious to someone with knowledge and experience in the technological field of the invention'.
Before the launch of the iPhone, if you had given 1000 people (people with knowledge of various touch gestures) the task of inventing a method for flipping between photos with a touch interface, how many would have used something like 'previous' and 'next' buttons, and how many would have used a swipe gesture? That would be an interesting experiment if it were possible, but I'd guess a good percentage would arrive at the swipe. It is just so similar to moving a physical photo print off the top of a stack, or even turning the page of a book (which had been mimicked before on the desktop).
HTC Touch had swipe in the photo gallery before the iPhone was presented.
But the patent Apple has used against Samsung is more specific than swipe
how pathetic, apple claim they invent stuff they didnt all the time, they steal ideas all the time so its one rule for them and one for everyone else!
apple your like a bunch of kids grow the hell up and make so better products to fight fairly in the market place not the court room you retards
apple your like a bunch of kids grow the hell up and make so better products to fight fairly in the market place not the court room you retards
i doubt it - that would surely put them out of business given the amount of biz Apple is giving them.
Apple would just find another vendor (and I think I read that they are researching others right now anyways).
Is there a touchscreen phone currently made that doesn't do this? How else would you do it?
This is ridiculous -- currently my geek side is feeling proud to not own any iOS devices.
This is ridiculous -- currently my geek side is feeling proud to not own any iOS devices.
Yes you are correct, however Google's and Android's OS direction was going the blackberry route which didn't worry Apple. I'm guessing that Apple didn't see Android as a threat at that point. Early Android was terrible (IMO) and not at all like what they have today. With the iPhone, that all changed and Android did a 180.
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy into the theory that Android being so much like iOS was a total accident.
Again, a lot of what both Android and iPhones do seems obvious NOW. It wasn't so obvilous before the iPhone however.
All of this is just my personal opinion. I've been wrong before, just ask my ex-wife.
Hahaha, so true.
In 2006, swiping to move between photographs on a cell phone was so obvious.
Could be, but cross licensing makes sense if you have enough significant patents yourself, and the graphs I saw (I think it was gizmodo, but can't find it. Here is another source for 2010: ificlaims.com)
The recent actions to strategically buy and sell patents (Kodak, Nortel) show that there is a move towards a more aggressive patent environment.
According to this judgement its quite the opposite. In fact according to this judgement one of the things Apple "invented" was taken away from them. All Samsung loses is a Photo Gallery App that allows you to swipe. Just add a next previous button and a OTA update by the end of today and the suit is dead in the water. Apple loses its "invention" and Samsung changes a Photo App.
The amount of business Apple is giving Samsung is nowhere big enough to put them out of business if they would lose it.
Also, there was a story just a couple days ago about Apple looking to give more business to Samsung because another company's sub par performance.
Why is Apple helping the company that's stealing from them....
I will get back later with the actual proof (wife will look it up tonight), but failure to litigate upon patent infringement weakens your case when a new infringement case pops up. Basically there is a need for the company that litigates to proof why the first case was different and didn't qualify for litigation on the patent.
In other words: if you allowed it the first time, there is no reason why you shouldn't allow it the second time, unless you can proof it.
Or do you have any other knowledge that you would like to share?