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Actually .. they do. Just like all major OS vendors do too.

Often enough security flaws are found by third party researchers or companies. Usually it is good practice to inform the vendors security team ahead of a public statement to give the vendor time to roll out a fix before the bug hits the streets.

It seems in this case, most major Linux vendors responded with a quick fix. Apple (so far) didn't. It is however not clear whether or not they where informed.
So coming back to your point. Often enough vendors can only start investigating bugs after they have been publicly discussed on the internet because they simply do not know of them before.

T.

I think Apple has been slow because they use an old version of Bash and have to backport the fix to it, test it, test it again, etc. It's not as easy as grabbing the patch from Linux or BSD and applying it.

I have no idea why they don't just use an updated version of Bash.
 
I guess this could be the one time that Microsoft fans can say to OS X and Linux (really any 'NIX) fans that Windows DOESN'T have a flaw that IS present on OS X, Linux and any other Unix-based OS.

Nope. The fact that windows doesn't even have a terminal is a flaw in itself. And nope, windows power shell is a joke.
 
The bug is fixed. The patch is available. Apple could have rolled it out by now.

The GNU people even were so nice to backport the fixes to the ancient version Apple is using because Apple doesn't want code that's licensed with GPL v3.

http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/bash/bash-3.2-patches/bash32-052

Apple just has to apply the patch and provide a new bash binary through software update. Apple does not have to identify the bug, they don't have to come up with a solution, they don't have to verify the fix. Everything is done already.

Stupid politics are the only thing that prevent the release of this bugfix. Probably because they like to bundle patches so people think their software is more secure because it isn't patched that often.

This is incorrect. The patch they released is incomplete: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/685. There's a new version as of a couple of hours ago, but that one still needs to be tested, let alone ported to Apple software.
 
I would add to the click-baiting headline that this particular exploit is in fact unlikely to affect the vast majority of OS X users, except that their home router or the Internet websites they visit may be compromised, same as users of every other operating system.
 
You mean like OpenSSL? Which is basically an unmaintainable and undocumented mess of code? Where you are free to search for bugs in the source code, but have no chance to find them, and even less of a chance to fix them?

The /s is the clue to your answer; it means "sarcasm".
 
I guess this could be the one time that Microsoft fans can say to OS X and Linux (really any 'NIX) fans that Windows DOESN'T have a flaw that IS present on OS X, Linux and any other Unix-based OS.

That would be amusing indeed. 99% of security holes exist on M$ products. This is nothing. The only issue is that it's so widespread and much of the software will never be patched.
 
This is incorrect. The patch they released is incomplete: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q3/685. There's a new version as of a couple of hours ago, but that one still needs to be tested, let alone ported to Apple software.

Actually the patch that I used as I noted in the above message worked great and the terminal test for showing the vulnerability (env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test") showed the patch worked.
 
Nope. The fact that windows doesn't even have a terminal is a flaw in itself. And nope, windows power shell is a joke.

Windows does not need a terminal and it has a command line interface. Type "cmd.exe" and there is the Windows "Terminal".

The OS's have a very different architecture. I like both and use both.

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The perks of having a perfectly robust computer paired with software to use offline.

This. Mil-spec is required for private appointments and birthdays, documents like cooking recipes and calculations about the true costs of your cars.
 
But...but...it's open source. So anyone can go in and read the code....

(I guess no one actually does)
 
no joke - why do I get phishing alarms from my ISP for email notifications from this thread ( only ) ??? - i just reported my own posting.
 
If you're going to be a certified Apple basher, you need to keep track of all the Apple badness from Mobile Me to iPhone 4 antenna gate and forward. The real question is what's the impact; probably minor since the only current issue that can't readily be fixed is the iPhone 6 plus design flaw but the same happened with the iPhone 4 - they'll end up giving out a free case for those who jam their giant phones in their skinny jeaned fat bodies.

Sorry bud. You picked the wrong forum member to call an apple basher. Jsameds is a certified apple lover. Post history will verify.

I'm not - I love Apple - but this week they've been to hell and back!

Why is everyone so desperate to cover up that fact?

There are some who think if you are a fan of apple you automatically give up the ability to criticize them when mistakes are made. You must praise, excuse, or cast a wide net snaring other companies with issues; but never criticize.

Thankfully the vast majority of this forum can rationally evaluate issues on their merits and render an opinion based on the actual issues.
 
I more or less agree with all your points excluding the "bendgate" one: according to the various (admittedly unscientific) tests I've seen the iPhone 6+ compared to other smartphones bends far too easily.

The smaller iPhone 6 is much more resilient which can only be in part due to its smaller size: it looks more like that the larger iPhone 6+ has a weak point near the volume buttons which the smaller iPhone 6 lacks.

The smaller iPhone has a weak point there too; it's because of the buttons which of course require a hole in the case. That's a natural weak point.

As for why the plus bends more easily than the non-plus, I'm not sure. Of course it being smaller means it's harder to bend unintentionally (smaller size means less force) but it also seems to be harder to bend intentionally. Which, given that it's also slightly thinner than the 6 plus, I can't really explain.
 
The smaller iPhone has a weak point there too; it's because of the buttons which of course require a hole in the case. That's a natural weak point.

As for why the plus bends more easily than the non-plus, I'm not sure. Of course it being smaller means it's harder to bend unintentionally (smaller size means less force) but it also seems to be harder to bend intentionally. Which, given that it's also slightly thinner than the 6 plus, I can't really explain.

Very offtopic here - I joined the discussions and gave up, too many "fanboys" in this forum. I sum it up with "A bent iPhone is nothing what iPhone users really want". Everybody can deal with this according to personal preferences.
 
Now I know you can execute some BASH commands from within iOS, does anyone know if iOS is vulnerable?

(We don't have a BASH shell to manipulate as a user in iOS, but that doesn't mean one isn't sitting in there where we can't get to it)
 
Relax, people, the sky is not falling.

This problem primarily affects things running a (web) server.

Your home Mac might technically be affected, but you're likely not running anything that exposes the bug to an attacker.

So it's more likely to directly affect my web host than me? Is something like Forklift a conduit for this vulnerability?
 
strike three. you're out...
now what?
*still waiting for iPhone + Apple Watch*

Nothing. They're still worth billions of dollars and are not dying just because farewelwilliams says "you're out", your opinion ain't that powerful. Apple watch is a new product category, which are traditionally announced many months before they launch. Think iPhone, iPad. As for your iPhone that you apparently still don't have, maybe you should have thought of that and pre-ordered earlier than you did if you absolutely MUST have it within a week of it's launch. Otherwise, you'll get it next month because it's a brand new product and supplies are a bit constrained. God, what a baby...
 
Thanks, Macrumors. I've been trying to get root shell on my ISP's router for AGES, so I can turn on telnet and a few other things, and it seems this could well be the answer.

Cheers me dears :)
 
it seems to me that if someone is in a position to run bash scripts, then they already have the access they need, unless I am missing something.

unless this is like an SQL injection exploit?
 
strike three. you're out...
now what?
*still waiting for iPhone + Apple Watch*

Huh? A flaw that is inherent in Linux/Next/OSX is suddenly Apple's fault?

Today's Operating systems are very complex with millions of lines of code. Things like this are bound to happen.

I turn my Windows PC and I have a ton of updates EVERYDAY. Lets not get into Windows vs Mac here.. just saying.
 
Actually the patch that I used as I noted in the above message worked great and the terminal test for showing the vulnerability (env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test") showed the patch worked.

That's very simplistic. You checked that one symptom of the vulnerability is gone. There may be other symptoms that are less visible that need fixing. There may be required functionality that is negatively affected. You don't want a patch that fixes the vulnerability but breaks half of the functionality of bash.
 
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