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Batman Begins....

slb said:
Interesting, which DVD is this from, so I can pop it in?
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It is in Batman and Robin. Listen to the commentary for Forever, also, and you will feel a little less hatred toward Schumacher. He is very frank, very honest: he admits to being pressured or forced into making his two films kid friendly, "toyetic" (going out of your way to ensure there are plenty of props that can be turned into money-making toys). He also says that he wanted to do Year One, and create a much darker version of Batman, but the studio wouldn't allow that kind of film. It is nice to hear him criticize the movies and recognize them for the garbage they are, while at the same time you do feel sorry for him...a little.
 
Verto said:
I never got the impression that he was mimicking Jack Nicholson at all :confused:
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The voice inflection combined with the sharp facial expression reminded me of Jack. The way it was shot is another factor.

The success of focusing so much attention on the actors ability to pull that scene off using voice and facial expression made me think of Jack Nicholson. It is, just my opinion though. It just reminded me of all the scenes where all that was needed was a closeup on the Jack version of the Joker reading a few lines. That is the power a really good actor has, they can make a scene succeed with little or no outside help.
 
Applespider said:
Yup... out to the West Coast (Bay Area and then Vegas) to visit some friends. I've found an excuse to make that 'trip of a lifetime' (excuse in 1996) each year since! :rolleyes:

The second option is what I do on the flight home when I really have to sleep.
I'm flying Virgin so I have my fingers crossed that we're on the planes with the V:pORT video on demand system. Last time I was on a flight with that system, I gave up on sleeping and could have done with the pilot doing another hour or so in the Heathrow stack to finish watching the movies/shows I had lined up!
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Will you take loads of in-flight pics for me? A nice wing view and maybe one of the video screen during landing (if they have it). :p I'll buy you a present to say thanks!

I love long haul flights. This time next month I'll be getting ready for a short trip to New York. (What's the weather like in New York during November? Shall I not bother with the shorts and T-shirt? :( )

Hope you have an awesome trip, which you will as long as you don't watch Batman begins on the way.
 
thumbs down

one liners, a staple of batman movies, were dumb and contrived. The end lost focus. the stupid batman voice was just irritating. It had its moments, especially in the beginning, but on the whole i found it quite annoying. Oh and Katie Holmes was absolutely horrendously terribly horrible. It must be the tom cruise in her coming out.
 
Verto said:
I for one would love to see The Penguin, Two Face, Riddler, Mr. Freeze and Bane (!) all put onto the big screen as they should have been, not the horrible messes we saw in Batman 2-5, but at the same time I wouldn't mind seeing some new villains featured, like Scarecrow and Ra's were.
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Agreed - new villains would be nice, but I think they could do a much better job of previous villains as well (save The Joker, as there was really nothing wrong with the Nicholson one).
 
As someone who has followed Batman in DC for years, this was the most true to that version of Batman of any film to date... which makes it one of my favorite so far.

I can remember reading an early draft of the Batman script in 1987 (when Robin was still part of the story and Vicki Vale had a much smaller role). My thought at the time was that they were trying to put to much into one movie (most likely why Robin was dropped). When the final film was released I was pleased for the most part, but as each successive film was released the Burton style started to give way to camp.

The only thing I liked about Batman & Robin was that Robin's costume reflected the current Nightwing costume in the comic books. The version of Bane in that film was awful (Bane was one of the most intelligent of Batman's enemies and the one who ended up defeating him by braking his back).

As for looking at this film with an overly critical eye... if you couldn't suspend disbelief for this film, then I would imagine that most science fiction and fantasy films would be out side of your range of entertainment.
 
RacerX said:
As for looking at this film with an overly critical eye... if you couldn't suspend disbelief for this film, then I would imagine that most science fiction and fantasy films would be out side of your range of entertainment.
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Well said. Sometimes that's just the way it is for some people, which is fair enough.

As for me, can't wait for the next one! :cool:
 
Verto said:
I've heard the rumors that it is a direct link to Begins' immediate sequel, I'm more inclined to believe (or rather, hope) that it was put in merely as a homage to Batman (1989), a nod to Tim Burton, rather than to signify that The Joker would be his next villain. Besides, at the end of Batman Begins, "The Joker" is still Jack Napier, no where near his status at the beginning of Batman (1989). This could either be overlooked in Nolan's retake of the franchise, or mean that Napier will either play a minor role in the movie, or his character not be featured at all(keeping in line with the opinion that the card was just a Tim Burton homage).
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If they are basing this on the comics then Jack Napier is not the Joker, it is my understanding that Jack Napier was crated for the Batman '89 movie. In the comics I have read Joker was a man named Joe Kerr who was a struggling comedian turned criminal to try to make some $$ to feed his family.
 
kvanwagoner said:
If they are basing this on the comics then Jack Napier is not the Joker, it is my understanding that Jack Napier was crated for the Batman '89 movie. In the comics I have read Joker was a man named Joe Kerr who was a struggling comedian turned criminal to try to make some $$ to feed his family.
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In the 1960s, it was stated that a lab worker who decided to steal some $$ so he could live the easy life turned into the Red Hood; after some escapes which involved swimming through chemicals and what not, he underwent the physical changes that we now associate with Joker. So even the history of Joker is not set in stone.
 
RacerX said:
As someone who has followed Batman in DC for years, this was the most true to that version of Batman of any film to date...
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I am not a big Batman fan by any stretch of the imagination, such as having never read the comics, or seen the old Batman *KERPLOW!* TV shows starring Adam West, or the cartoons.

I saw Batman and Batman Returns in the theaters, but that was due more to hype surrounding the movies. They were always 'mehh' to me.

However, after seeing Batman Begins, I totally understand the fascination with the Dark Knight. This is a movie movie, if you know what I mean. I like the fact the filmmaker and actors took this movie seriously, and it shows. I recently saw the old Batman (1989) on TV and somewhere in the translation from silver screen to TV screen, the movie looks so dated and campy. So therefore, I think Burton (as visionary as he was at the time) is overrated as a director. (Planet of the Apes, anyone?)
 
Lacero said:
I am not a big Batman fan by any stretch of the imagination, such as having never read the comics, or seen the old Batman *KERPLOW!* TV shows starring Adam West, or the cartoons.

I saw Batman and Batman Returns in the theaters, but that was due more to hype surrounding the movies. They were always 'mehh' to me.

However, after seeing Batman Begins, I totally understand the fascination with the Dark Knight. This is a movie movie, if you know what I mean. I like the fact the filmmaker and actors took this movie seriously, and it shows. I recently saw the old Batman (1989) on TV and somewhere in the translation from silver screen to TV screen, the movie looks so dated and campy. So therefore, I think Burton (as visionary as he was at the time) is overrated as a director. (Planet of the Apes, anyone?)
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Tim Burton is also not my favorite. I like his visual style, but that's where it ends. And I'll never forgive him for remaking Willie Wonka or that awful Sleepy Hollow.
 
leekohler said:
Tim Burton is also not my favorite. I like his visual style, but that's where it ends. And I'll never forgive him for remaking Willie Wonka or that awful Sleepy Hollow.
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Yeah, I was let down a bit with Wonka and Sleepy Hollow. But that's a discussion for another thread I suppose... ;)
 
i thought Batman Begins was good, just really dont like katie holmes, she annoys me and i always think some whinny kid dawson will be in the very next scene lol
 
ijimk said:
i thought Batman Begins was good, just really dont like katie holmes, she annoys me and i always think some whinny kid dawson will be in the very next scene lol
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I thought those 2 hotel girls were sexier and prettier than Rachel (Katie). But it's the less attractive women who seem to be smarter. She plays the role of a prosecutor much more convincingly.

She reminds me of Elijah Wood. He's a man boy, and she doesn't fully look grown up.
 
loved it..

i thought it was a good movie in general compared to much of the crap that has come out lately, and if you are a batman fan and know the history of these characters, you will like it even more. if you are not a fan, it could go either way. i feel like it was a good movie.

you have to suspend reality for any superhero movie, even batman.

i think they should get that crazy goofy kid from hackers to play the joker.
 
Of all the Batman movies, Begins was the most true to the spirit of Batman for me. After the decent 1989 Batman, I think the series tried way too hard to out-camp itself, and got pretty lame. I was concerned when I heard they were doing Begins, but thrilled with the result.
Now, if they can do the same for the new Superman movie next year (and Wonder Woman after that).

I want an Avenger's movie, dammit. Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Vision....that could rock.
 
powermac666 said:
I want an Avenger's movie, dammit. Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Vision....that could rock.
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Yeah, they could do a lot of cool stuff with Iron Man... he always seemed like he was too powerful... :cool:
 
~Shard~ said:
Yeah, they could do a lot of cool stuff with Iron Man... he always seemed like he was too powerful... :cool:
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Actually, I always thought Thor was a little too powerful to be playing with the mere mortals. Awww, who am I kidding? I just want to see Angelina Jolie in that Scarlet Witch costume.;)
 
powermac666 said:
Actually, I always thought Thor was a little too powerful to be playing with the mere mortals. Awww, who am I kidding? I just want to see Angelina Jolie in that Scarlet Witch costume.;)
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I think they should hire you as the casting director. :cool:

Yes, Thor was very powerful too, but some of Iron Man's potential abilities just seemed, well, over the top. Not that I'm complaining. ;)
 
RacerX said:
(Bane was one of the most intelligent of Batman's enemies and the one who ended up defeating him by braking his back).
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Batman was not defeated, Jean Paul Valley took Batmans place but got canned and Nightwing came back from Bludhaven and took over for Batman until he healed.
 
Lacero said:
I didn't have an issue with his voice. Obvously, he can't speak in his regular voice around Rachel or Jim Gordon. I guess he could raise the pitch in his voice, but that would make him sound like a sissy.

The voice as Batman was believable enough for me. Maybe he should have went with those devices those smokers put to their throats. That would be funny. :p

Gonna watch the old 1989 Batman to hear how Michael Keaton spoke in his costume around his reporter friend.
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I really liked Batman's voice in costume. It was deep, menacing and a bit over the top... but he was trying to be a "symbol" so I think it was alright to be a bit over the top.

Besides, in some scenes it came off well, such as when when he was trying to terrorize people. The scene where he interogates Gordon's partner is my favorite. "Swear to me!"

Overall, I really liked the film. I bought the DVD last night and watched it again. I particularly like how the "bad guys" believed they were doing humanity a favor - they thought they were doing the right thing. While it is not an original concept, it was new to the Batman series and I rather enjoyed that aspect.
 
emmawu said:
I really liked Batman Begins. It is a movie movie and Christopher Nolan is a geat director.
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Indeed, it is a movie movie. :p ;) And yes, Nolan is a great director, makes me want to watch Memento again... :cool:
 
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