I wonder when it was manufactured.Apple replaced my old one under AppleCare+
I wonder when it was manufactured.Apple replaced my old one under AppleCare+
Sure. They do. But since original iOS versions are very efficient, the impact is diminished because original iOS versions don’t demand those voltage spikes from degraded batteries. Because their power requirements do not overpower both processors and batteries.It’s about physics, nothing to do with Apple. Batteries deteriorate with time. Be it in the phones or cars or what ever device.
Hi guys, I’m currently running 18.3.2 on my 13 mini, would you recommend updating to 18.4?
Any of you with Mini, how it behaves on 18.4?
Original versions are no better or worse depending on the version. Some iOS version launch day releases were worse, and help had to fix issues. I know folks who baby sit batteries with out updating os and being obsessive with charging. They had their battery replaced 6 months ago, my launch day 13 PM battery is going strong. But I fully expect my phone to get worse in next 6 months.Sure. They do. But since original iOS versions are very efficient, the impact is diminished because original iOS versions don’t demand those voltage spikes from degraded batteries. Because their power requirements do not overpower both processors and batteries.
Physics.
That's correct. My experience sounds similar to that of @splifingate (comment #28) in this thread. And as mentioned, Ive moved to permanent 5G use (from LTE only) just prior to the update.You are coming from 18.3.2 I suppose?
So you find it even better than 18.3.2 (as this is by many the best OS for 13 series iPhones battery-wise)
Generally 5G will consume more power than 4G, rather than the other way around. I've changed carriers also. I was pleasantly surprised about the longer battery life as my previous experience has been the opposite. Off course moving from 18.4 to 18.4.x, all bets are off (as I've seen with my OG SE).I‘m going to wait a bit, maybe for 18.4.x release.
It could be your iPhone 13 mini would have been even better on 18.3.2 if you‘ve switched to 5G prior updating to 18.4
Now it is not clear if this switch from LTE to 5G made the battery life better or the iOS 18.4 itself…
This is nonsense. A load (the phone) cannot demand a voltage spike from a battery. It can demand more current by increasing the load, which on a degraded battery can lead to a sudden drop in voltage which sometimes causes to the phone to shut off. This is the issue Apple were trying to mitigate with the throttling on devices with degraded batteries.Sure. They do. But since original iOS versions are very efficient, the impact is diminished because original iOS versions don’t demand those voltage spikes from degraded batteries. Because their power requirements do not overpower both processors and batteries.
Physics.
Generally 5G will consume more power than 4G, rather than the other way around. I've changed carriers also. I was pleasantly surprised about the longer battery life as my previous experience has been the opposite. Off course moving from 18.4 to 18.4.x, all bets are off (as I've seen with my OG SE).
I expressed it incorrectly, but the point remains: updated iOS versions increase demand, worsening battery life.This is nonsense. A load (the phone) cannot demand a voltage spike from a battery. It can demand more current by increasing the load, which on a degraded battery can lead to a sudden drop in voltage which sometimes causes to the phone to shut off. This is the issue Apple were trying to mitigate with the throttling on devices with degraded batteries.
Also x.0 releases are notorious for being crappy. Usually the x.1 release has all the fixes for the bugs that they didn’t have time to fixed before release day or cropped up when the software got installed on millions of devices.
Oh yes, so (unfortunately) true. That's why for me the improvement to 18.4 came out of left field, going by previous experience.All bets are off with any future update *groan*
Thankfully, 18.4.0 is shweet!
Generally 5G will consume more power than 4G, rather than the other way around.
Oh yes, so (unfortunately) true. That's why for me the improvement to 18.4 came out of left field, going by previous experience.
updated iOS versions increase demand, worsening battery life
I stand by my assertion on point releases. I’ve had a point release on dramatically improve battery life on my AW.I expressed it incorrectly, but the point remains: updated iOS versions increase demand, worsening battery life.
Nonsense on point releases, battery life never recovers to the original iOS version’s extent. Grab an iPhone Xʀ on iOS 18 and give me the 18 hours 32 minutes of screen-on time I get on iOS 12. You can’t.
Not just that. When I ran 2 esims from 2 separate providers concurrently for testing, I couldn't believe the signal strength difference. My original company X (LTE only) changed to 5G for all customers free of charge. It's when I noticed at work having long data loading, failing, no bars even for a call. Hmm..previously my reception was quite usable. It turned out (unaware to customer) that X had hardly even built out their own 5G network. On LTE previously they were cooperating with company Y (was ok) but then changed to company Z for LTE instead, that was known for much ado but very poor reception...everywhere. Lots and lots of variables that's outside the knowledge of customers even.I find that the distance from the cellular 'tower' defines the reach, which determines the power-effort needed to communicate with said 'tower'.
I'm in the #6 Urban in the USofA, and (frustratingly (VZ)) I still find that my iPhone is grasping at straw-pipes.
In my home--a Residence that is 5km distant from the axis of said sixth-largest Metropolitan Area ('Merka)--I still get only two-bars of 5G 🤷♂️
They are Good Bars, and my UL/DL pipe is decent, but . . . if it were not for the fact that I have 1G fibre WIFI here at-home, my little 13-mini would probably suffer increased battery-loss.
When Everyone went 5G, I truly noticed the air-wave competition...
It's good enough 99% of the time. In the few cases that battery life is not sufficient (like extended traveling), it's not a fluke that Apple's sadly discontinued MagSafe battery pack is a perfect fit for the 13 Mini and the 13 Mini alone.I've really never been truly "happy" with my 13 Mini battery life.
I just deal with it as the device size itself is the most important usage factor for me.
Exactly why I bough both at the same time for a cross hemispherical flight.It's good enough 99% of the time. In the few cases that battery life is not sufficient (like extended traveling), it's not a fluke that Apple's sadly discontinued MagSafe battery pack is a perfect fit for the 13 Mini and the 13 Mini alone.
Do you upgrade every year?Dare I say that how much an individual taxes their battery-subsystem is what (ultimately) determines the lifespan of the battery, itself.
Subjectively, I've never found that "newer" == "worse".
Each OS Release has it's quills; some have been *cough* moar prickly than others![]()
This is the truth! But how is any of this my fault? And honestly… why should I understand this position? Apple writes iOS for devices that are current, fine. But if you’re going to kill older iOS devices with this garbage either let me downgrade or do better. How is my position unreasonable?I stand by my assertion on point releases. I’ve had a point release on dramatically improve battery life on my AW.
There is a grain of truth in what you’re saying but you present it so badly. Apple writes iOS for the devices that are current. (Ones they want to sell you now) Those devices run a more powerful and more efficient SOC than previous generation devices. So a previous generation device has to work harder (on that iOS) to do everything basic housekeeping tasks.
One alternative: optimize new iOS versions better! Why does everything have to be a compromise? After all, when the device was new you didn’t need to throttle it… it just worked. Those basic housekeeping tasks, make them more efficient.They have to find a compromise where the older devices run at a tolerable speed without totally tanking the battery. If they throttle old devices to get better battery life it’s a conspiracy and people complain. If they don’t and devices eat battery people complain. If they drop features from older devices people complain. It’s a no win scenario so they pick a compromise of all of those solutions.
You loose some performance, some features and some battery life. Personally I just accept the phones good for a couple of years and flip it, but I understand people’s desire to keep the mini form factor. It’s a shame it didn’t sell well enough for Apple to keep making it.