BBC Documentary Claims Apple Fails to Protect Chinese Factory Workers

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Earlier this week, BBC One announced plans to air a documentary called Apple's Broken Promises, detailing the factory conditions of the overseas workers who are creating components and assembling the company's iPhones.

    Apple's Broken Promises is set to air tonight, but ahead of the documentary's launch, BBC News has published a story outlining what they discovered when they visited Pegatron factories in China and mines in Indonesia.

    During the visit, the BBC found that workers at Pegatron factories were forced to put in long hours assembling Apple devices, and that there were violations with ID cards, dormitories, work meetings, and juvenile workers.

    Multiple reporters went undercover at the factory as part of the documentary, and one did not receive a day off after working 18 days in a row while another was exhausted by the long hours. There were also workers who were filmed falling asleep during 12-hour shifts.
    Undercover reporters were forced to do overtime, which is supposed to be voluntary, and the housing conditions were less than desirable, with one reporter subjected to a dormitory where 12 workers shared a single room. Another reporter had to attend after work meetings off the clock, receiving no compensation.

    In response to the BBC's allegations, Apple released a statement suggesting that it's doing more than any other company to improve working conditions for factory employees. The company also said it monitors working hours at Pegatron, with employees at the factory averaging 55 hours per week.
    Apple also told the BBC that the overcrowding in the dormitory has been resolved, and that suppliers are required to retroactively pay workers if they have not received compensation for meetings.

    The BBC's trip to Indonesia led the documentarians to allege that tin from illegal mines could be entering Apple's supply chain without its knowledge. Children were found digging tin ore in dangerous conditions, with the tin eventually being sold to a smelter that's on Apple's list of suppliers. Apple told the BBC that the situation in Indonesia is "complex" as thousands of miners sell tin through middle men.

    Apple often finds itself in the spotlight over the conditions at the factories where its product components are produced, but over the last few years, the company has established a strict code of conduct for suppliers that prevents underage labor and provides safe, comfortable working and living conditions for workers.

    Apple also maintains a Supplier Responsibility Team that performs regular audits to ensure compliance, but factory conditions continue to be an ongoing issue for Apple due to both the sheer number of suppliers the company works with and the fact that factories benefit from producing large quantities of product at a low cost.

    The full documentary will be shown on BBC One on December 18 at 9:00 PM U.K. time, and it will be replayed later on BBC iPlayer.

    Update: The BBC has added a video clip from the documentary.

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  2. Gav2k macrumors G3


    Jul 24, 2009
    Yet they fail to report that these hard done by people are paid a fair wage by there countries going rate and there there by CHOICE. It's not forced labour!
  3. Z400Racer37 macrumors 6502a

    Feb 7, 2011

    You know, I'd like to know how many people BBC has lifted our of a subsistence farming way of life?

    Also, how many UNPAID interns helped put this crap together? Hypocrisy Much?

    Oh, they're not gonna talk about that at all? Yeah, that's what I thought. :rolleyes:
  4. macintologist macrumors 6502

    May 3, 2004
    You want to be careful with journalism as a truth-seeking enterprise. Remember that the point of journalism is to sell a story, and stories don't go over well if they are nuanced, complicated and don't neatly fit into a pre-existing narrative. If they found video footage of employees being satisfied, they wouldn't include that in the documentary because it makes the story less compelling.

    Beware of the narrative. The truth is complicated and messy. This documentary represents a slice of the truth, but it's not the whole truth.
  5. jacobj macrumors 65816


    Apr 22, 2003
    Lets wait and see. As much as I love the beeb, panorama is prone to sensationalism. It is the bbc's tabloid, viewer stats seeker.
  6. Zxxv macrumors 68040

    Nov 13, 2011
    If I knew undercover reporters were in my factory I'd do the same to them.
  7. Digital Skunk macrumors 604

    Digital Skunk

    Dec 23, 2006
    In my imagination
    I don't ask the folks at Apple Retail if they've gotten enough rest. I don't ensure the ARS employee's safety. That's the job of the employer.

    I don't understand how it's Apple's or Dell's or HP's responsibility to ensure FOXCONN workers are getting enough rest.

    Not trying to be an Apple apologist here, just saying that Apple and the rest may want to pull their business if they know something is up, but it's not their responsibility to make sure folks in another company aren't working themselves too hard.

    There's a lot of fabrication in documentary story telling. The most recent one I can recall is 12 O' Clock Boys, which is total garbage.
  8. nocturnum macrumors regular


    Feb 8, 2014
  9. sualpine macrumors 6502


    May 13, 2013
    So instead of presenting these findings to Apple and actually trying to improve the situation, they are going to capitalize on it by making a "documentary" for more $$$? Disgusting.
  10. hippo206 macrumors 6502

    Apr 8, 2007
    I employ people that work 30+ days straight and sometimes average over 70+ hours per week. I wish BBC would come and do a documentary here so that we could get more publicity.
  11. 8281 macrumors 6502

    Dec 15, 2010
    I sympathize with the workers and it's good to raise awareness, but to focus only on Apple is a little disingenuous. Every tech company probably sources some components from factories with questionable labor practices.

    That said, maybe this will motivate other companies to hold their suppliers accountable.
  12. sualpine macrumors 6502


    May 13, 2013
    And you're proud of this? Or lying?
  13. ChazUK macrumors 603


    Feb 3, 2008
    Essex (UK)
    You obviously don't know how the BBC is funded.
  14. rmatthewware macrumors 6502

    Jul 22, 2009
    They make this about Apple because they know it will get attention. The fact that many other American companies use factories just like this in China barely receives a footnote. What they should investigate is what those other companies are doing to improve working conditions. Do they have the transparency Apple does in these matters? Have they made a big push to improve conditions?
  15. Kaibelf macrumors 68020


    Apr 29, 2009
    Silicon Valley, CA
    So basically, they are blaming Apple for another company's treatment of employees? Shall America start lecturing the UK on the way they treat their citizens?
  16. guzhogi macrumors 68030


    Aug 31, 2003
    Wherever my feet take me…
    A little curious why this isn't in PRSI.

    I wonder if Apple is the only company that uses this supplier, or if there are others. If so, why target Apple? Because they're the biggest/most highly visible company?
  17. kolax macrumors G3

    Mar 20, 2007
    The only real work they can get is hardly a choice. But it doesn't sound like you see the world for what it really is.
  18. strayts macrumors member

    Oct 5, 2011
    There are countless accounts that have shown it's common practice in China to withhold wages so that employees have no choice but to stay or lose weeks' worth of wages. There is no way that an ethical person could call that a fair choice.
  19. sualpine macrumors 6502


    May 13, 2013
    Right right... because they sell absolutely nothing on, and the iPlayer doesn't show ads, right?

    Oh, and the BBC "journalists" work for free? Thank you for teaching me.
  20. thalazy macrumors regular

    Jul 6, 2012
    In a van down by the river.
    It's a job

    If you don't like it leave. Go to whatever labor board they have and complain. They don't work for Apple they work for Foxconn and all blame should be on them, unless Foxconn or the documentary can produce evidence that Apple demands that the company force the workers to do all that the documentary shows. As long as Apple does what is required by law to do then they should not be held responsible for the actions of a company Apple uses to build products.
  21. The Doctor11 macrumors 603

    The Doctor11

    Dec 15, 2013
    New York
    Apple should hack their servers and release all their secrets and private emails :D
  22. wigby macrumors 68000

    Jun 7, 2007
    Apple doesn't own these factories but they do have close relationships with all these factories. They invest in their infrastructure, they train their employees and install machines to help build devices in these factories. That alone might not be enough to blame Apple but then Apple goes and responds to documentaries like this extolling their own safety and labor audits. They are holding themselves up as the model so they are now forced to live up to their own standards.

    I think it's great because no other company could or wants to change Chinese workers' lives for the better if it's going to hurt their bottom line.

    At this point, I believe Apple over any BBC documentary but I'll watch it if available.
  23. EightBitJoe macrumors member

    Aug 11, 2014
    You can bet your bottom dollar/quid that BBC Worldwide will milk this in regions where the charter allows for commercial revenue. Auntie's hands are tied at home, but she's just as big a *not nice name for prostitute* everywhere else as the American networks.
  24. KiwiAdventure Suspended

    Dec 7, 2010
    New Zealand
    Why is it Apple's fault, its like saying we are at fault if we buy a product from a company who doesn't look after their staff. How about Nike's child labour factories.

    BBC is a joke
  25. MisakixMikasa macrumors 6502a


    Aug 21, 2013
    Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
    No... American has zero right to lecture other countries about human rights. Americans can pretending their country is free and democratic, but the truth is more uglier.

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