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Many of the complaints about security and functionality from the Beeper Mini team will be solved with Rich Communication Services, or RCS, which Apple plans to adopt next year. RCS will be used for chats between iPhone and Android users, and it includes support for high quality video and images, emoji reactions, typing indicators, read receipts, and more.

RCS will not help with encryption as the RCS standard does not have it and Apple will not use Googles encryption solution.

I think what bugs me most on this is the way Apple is trying to spin this.
 
Many of the complaints about security and functionality from the Beeper Mini team will be solved with Rich Communication Services, or RCS, which Apple plans to adopt next year.

The only security complaint I'm hearing is the lack of encryption. The RCS standard doesn't have encryption, so even if Apple implements it the security complaint would not be resolved. Google uses their own proprietary extension on top of RCS for encryption, but it doesn't sound like Apple will implement that.
 
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Normally I'm all for fighting Apple's asinine practices, but in this case Beeper nah you gotta hold that L. You knew what you were doing and so does everyone else.

Besides, RCS is coming to iPhone next year, so your little iMessage spoof operation is gonna become obsolete in a couple months anyhow. Better just quit while you're ahead before Apple's legal team find you just like how they took out that "Apple Metaverse" NFT scam.
 
Yup. This app enables non-Apple users to use an Apple-managed service.

iMessage is "free" because we buy Apple products and services, not because it's a public service available to everyone.

However by doing so those of us who use more than just Apple products are forced into an insecure spot because of Apple‘s priggishness.
 
These guys at Beeper can go stuff it. The politicians trying to gain points can go worry about more important things.

Short of using something like Signal (which is impossible for my elderly family who can barely turn on the coffee maker without calling someone for help), iMessage is the most secure messaging platform (at least in easy, general use). I have an expectation of security when I see those blue bubbles. Apple advertises this. When companies like Beeper are using loopholes and intercepts that deny me that security should I send to someone using their service, I would be defrauded as an Apple customer if Apple didn’t act.

In other words, Apple is in the moral and legal right here.

You illustrated the problem with messaging by referencing your parents inability to change messaging apps. Apple is exploiting the fact that most people will use the default option without knowing how to use anything else. Personally, I would prefer all manufactures (Apple, Samsung, Google etc) use Signal as the default option. While I believe iMessage is probably private I have no way to know that for sure. That's just something that no one outside of Apple could know for sure. Signal on the other hand is open source and therefor verifiably secure and private. Signal does everything iMessage does while being developed by a team of volunteers. Their sole reason to exist is to promote communication privacy. They are not beholden to corporate shareholders demanding they exploit the system for more profit. Signal across the board would solve everything.
 
RCS will not help with encryption as the RCS standard does not have it and Apple will not use Googles encryption solution.

I think what bugs me most on this is the way Apple is trying to spin this.

Apple said they will work to add encryption to the RCS standard sans Google.

I think non-encrypted messaging should be a thing of the past, including cross-platform. SMS/MMS needs to go away.
 
Just get an iPhone if you want iMessage…

iMessage is not free to run, and Apple has the full rights to not allow iMessage on Android.

The only thing Beeper does to benefit everyone is to make iMessage more secure.

You so totally miss the point! It is making it less secure as there is no way for a non-iMessage comm method to have E2EE.
 
Imagine if Apple put this much effort in fixing bugs asap
Are you a developer? Just because Apple can and does fix bugs, doesn’t mean they can in a quick and convenient manner for you. Some bugs are trickier than others and can have the effect of “fix one thing, break another” so Apple needs to use diligence when developing fixes and updates to their operating systems and software.
 
Normally I'm all for fighting Apple's asinine practices, but in this case Beeper nah you gotta hold that L. You knew what you were doing and so does everyone else.

Besides, RCS is coming to iPhone next year, so your little iMessage spoof operation is gonna become obsolete in a couple months anyhow. Better just quit while you're ahead before Apple's legal team find you just like how they took out that "Apple Metaverse" NFT scam.

It isn’t coming with E2EE. That is the single most critical item and it will be missing.
 
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All of this is beyond ridiculous. This is all part of a coordinated ploy against Apple from the other “players” in the market to stir the pot and create a non-issue. First it was RCS, then It was with ”Nothing” and their recent app fiasco Nothing Messages, followed by Beeper with this nonsense. It’s all related.

If you want iMessage, which is apple proprietary software and services, buy an iPhone. No court is going to force a company to give away their own technology and product because it has to or because a few neck-bearded android users feel left out of group chats or because their tinder dates don’t text them back due to green bubble “stigma”.

A lot of this will end once Apple releases their updated iPhone SE in 2024 with updated specs, larger screen size, and sub $500 price tag. I’ve traveled to many countries around the world for business and also family, many of them are not industrialized nations, and if there’s one thing that is clear, the vast majority of consumers want an iPhone 9/10 times, if they can afford it.

This is the reality.
 
Apple said they will work to add encryption to the RCS standard sans Google.

I think non-encrypted messaging should be a thing of the past, including cross-platform. SMS/MMS needs to go away.

Be nice if they can. It is what Google did their version. No one else could agree on that standard. Don’t see that changing anytime soon.
 
What's really annoying is that Apple makes green bubbles unpleasant-looking by purposefully making them lower-contrast and therefore less accessible for people with vision issues versus green bubbles:

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The green bubble text fails WCAG accessibility standards:

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If they were the same in this regard, they'd look like this:

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Yes, you can toggle a setting within the Accessibility area to improve the contrast overall, but you don't have to do that if you're just looking at blue bubbles (and probably won't know you can if you look at some green ones). Why is it this way? Because it makes the blue bubbles more pleasing to read and the green ones less so. So to answer Beeper's point... Apple's perverse iMessage incentives cause them to penalize their own customers on the iOS side too.
 
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