Mine not. Garmin fails on so many updates. Battery is an issue every third Update. Stryd did not work for a long time and is still not working in every case. Shame on Garmin. My Apple Watch has a much more stable environment
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Garmin released a fix and changelog says it is related to a Garmin Pay wallet. As I said, not APAC (which is a bizarre thing as a separate product anyway).
Did you actually try on the Ultra? It's more comfortable on smaller wrists than you would think. I wear the size 1 solo loop, and I found I could wear the Ultra.
You sure about that your wrists being too small for an Ultra? I have very small wrists too. 16 cm (measured just now using tissue paper and a ruler so wrists may be a tad smaller if I measured using string or measuring tape which I don't have right now) and I wear an Ultra. My husband thinks it's too big for my wrists, but not only do I think it looks fine, its comfortable too. ;-)
Yeah touchscreen definitely a no-no for running technical workouts. I used to be a competitive runner and I can see using an Ultra for those purposes.
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I would use my AW for easy runs far more often if when I imported them into Garmin Connect they got factored into training load, recovery time, etc. Unless I'm doing it wrong, I think Garmin just ignores them for Firstbeat analysis. I've been trying other alternatives, but I like Connect. I also find the screen configurations easier to read while running on my Garmin.
As it is now, while running I either wear my AW on my other wrist or throw it in a pocket for LTE and music. Most days I ditch the Garmin during the rest of the day and use my AW.
Have you tried the RunGap app? This will allow you to upload your workout to Garmin connect.
You were responding to @PatrickNSF , but I thought I'd add a reply:
I used to use Garmin Connect too when my running watches were all Garmin. I actually liked Garmin Connect a lot and when I moved over to Apple Watch, I would use RunGap to export stuff to the Connect platform. At some point though, I believe RunGap started charging a subscription fee for the ability to export stuff to Connect so I stopped using that platform. Not blaming RunGap because as I understand, Garmin doesn't exactly make their API easy to use and often changes things which breaks the API and then third-party users have to find another way to interact with Connect.
All my original digital records are on Garmin so every now and then, I pay the subscription fee on RunGap and have it sync my latest records that are on Apple Health.
Yes, I use RunGap but it doesn't give you any training effect in Garmin Connect for imported runs, nor do they have any impact (as far as I can tell) on training readiness or load. I pay attention to those when I'm self-coaching.
I've also been exporting workouts into Runalyze for a few years and will have another look at it and some others if I ever try to go AW full-time again.
I believe you can set it up so it thinks it's coming from a Garmin device and then all those metrics are updated. A good video that talks about this is from Chase the Summit (around the 5min and 9min mark).
Hopefully that helps.
In the past Garmin only had a licence to calculate Firstbeat stuff directly on their devices. So with 3rd party workouts you were out of luck.
Why they still handle it the same way after they bought Firstbeat is strange.
I've never noticed the "Fake Garmin Devices" setting. Thanks!
Just out of curiosity, what is a technical workout that your Apple Watch cannot manage? I use the Ultra and run a lot as well (gunning for Sub3, so your marathon is insane ! Well done!) but even a interval session from Yesterday evening with 3k warmup, 6 x 1.200 m + 200 m jog + 3K cool down is amazing since WatchOS 9
I do all kind of workouts with my Apple Watch. I see no difference to any Garmins except the GPS and on wrist heart rate is better on the Apple Watch 🤷♂️
The native Apple app for workouts is pretty much fine for doing and recording technical workouts. With the exception of the Ultra, where the rest of the Apple Watches seriously lack is the Action button for the purposes of marking intervals/advancing to the next session.
I have NEVER been able to accurately mark a segment or advance to the next interval during a workout by using the touchscreen. It is unreliable. My fingers can be damp/wet so the touchscreen doesn't register the touch, or it could be that my fingers are jiggling around enough such that the touchscreen registers the touch in a way that I did not intend (e.g., advancing to the next screen rather than advancing to the next interval). It's maddening!
I used to have a Series 4 watch before the Ultra. During the period that I used the Series 4, I had stopped doing technical workouts (not as a result of the Watch, but simply because of where I was with life stage and owning a Series 4 at that time concincided with that life stage). With the Ultra, I'm back to doing technical workouts and it's great!
On a separate note: I don't find the on-wrist HRM very accurate for me, but might be because generally on-wrist HRM are going to be not too accurate for me. I have cold hands (and therefore wrists). For everyday movements like walking, the optical HRM is generally fine although once in a while it's still unable to detect my HR even though it's hot and muggy out there but my hands are cold (e.g., having just come out of a building with strong A/C). But this is simply a limitation of optical HRM where they need to be able to detect the reflection of light rays that is shines through the skin into blood vessels. I always use a chest strap HRM for running as it's always accurate and never gives me issues.
Interval workouts is the one thing I miss from Garmin. The feature is really superior.
Beginning by defining the workouts in web or app, being able to created nested intervals and the implementation on the watch with interval countdowns and pace/heartrate/whatever alerts is really great*.
Hope with iOS17/watchOS 10 there will be good apps to create workouts and sync to the watch. If not, I already announced that I will implement something that also allows nested workouts. Or we nag WorkoutDoors author @cfc to implement and interface to export WOD workouts to Apple Training app.
* though the implementation on Garmin also has deficits that are there since few years: basis for pace alerts are always GPS, not the footpod when connected. Also the gauge that is displayed during intervals is pretty worthless.
Interval workouts is the one thing I miss from Garmin. The feature is really superior.
Beginning by defining the workouts in web or app, being able to created nested intervals and the implementation on the watch with interval countdowns and pace/heartrate/whatever alerts is really great*.
Hope with iOS17/watchOS 10 there will be good apps to create workouts and sync to the watch. If not, I already announced that I will implement something that also allows nested workouts. Or we nag WorkoutDoors author @cfc to implement and interface to export WOD workouts to Apple Training app.
* though the implementation on Garmin also has deficits that are there since few years: basis for pace alerts are always GPS, not the footpod when connected. Also the gauge that is displayed during intervals is pretty worthless.
Must say I have been loving the WatchOS 9 implementation of intervals - but a big miss is the ability to edit and add them from the iPhone app - would make it a bit easier
We will see solutions for that for sure. The question is only if they all require a subscription based platform like TrainingPeaks (which I do not need) or if there will be more lightweight apps.
Yikes. I hope the native app won't require subscription to create interval workouts!
The current implementation is a step forward but it is lacking. There's no way to organize the workouts and therefore to repeat already existing workouts, it's rather difficult to find. I would love to see the phone's Fitness app have the ability to create and organize workouts. I suppose it would be great to be able to do the organizing on the Watch too, but not sure how trying to organize on such a tiny screen would pan out.
Apple can crib ideas from the existing app, Intervals. Or perhaps, it's already under negotiation with the developer to buy that app?
Wait, am I misreading? An app already exists for the iPhone and Apple Watch to create interval workouts. It's called Intervals Pro and it's existed for a very long time. I used it before Apple created it's own native ability to create interval workouts.Hope with iOS17/watchOS 10 there will be good apps to create workouts and sync to the watch. If not, I already announced that I will implement something that also allows nested workouts. Or we nag WorkoutDoors author @cfc to implement and interface to export WOD workouts to Apple Training app.
Update: Here's the link to the app: https://intervalspro.com/
No, that will not need a subscription. What Apple does in watchOS 10/iOS 17 is offer an API (WorkoutKit) that allows 3rd party apps to store and schedule workouts in the Apple training app. 3rd party platforms like TrainingPeaks (subscription based) already announced that they support this API.
The currently known standard way of defining workouts on the watch will stay as is. But no iOS app from Apple to create workouts will come now.
Well, could be one candidate if they will support the above mentioned WorkoutKit API.
But as I understood IntervalsPro, their main purpose is to also record workouts and not just create workouts. We'll see.
Yes, it's correct that Intervals Pro creates workouts and then records them. To use what Intervals Pro creates, you have to use their app to execute. However, all the data is available in Health app after the workout, as I see it, so I'm not sure there's a reason not to use Intervals Pro unless the user simply wants the native Apple workout interface, then indeed Intervals Pro is not the tool.
I prefer the native Apple workout app for a variety of reasons.
We discussed the race route topic where routes from 3rd party apps are not reflected. And overall usability and reliability I like a lot.
Seldom I use other apps e.g. WorkOutDoors (great app).
All Kind of interval workouts are working on the Apple Watch. Especially with watch os 10 there will be even a direkt connection with Tariningpeaks without any additional app. I can agree on the „normal“ Apple Watches. I do use the action button of the Applr watch ultra a lot and I really like it. And it’s an even better experience than on the garmin because I can start my workout with less watch interactions
Yes, we definitely need ways to interact with Watch for workout purposes other than touchscreen. I can't wait to experience WatchOS 10 and iOS 17. When are those arriving???? LOL.
Wanted to get back to you and let you know a run I recorded with the AW and imported into Garmin Connect with RunGap using this method gave data for training effect (and appears to have factored into my fitness/recovery metrics), so thanks for the tip! It was within 0.3 of the values my 965 recorded, so close enough for me.
I'll still use my Garmin/HRM Pro+ for proper running workouts (I prefer the display and buttons), but this will come in handy as a backup. Appreciate the tip 👍