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Yeah that's the same CPU as my current MBP.

GPU may be a little quicker.

I do like that display pushed closer to the edges style.

The new GPU is just about twice as fast as the 560X according to Apple, and the Geekbench score backs that up. Great news!
 
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The new GPU is just about twice as fast as the 560X according to Apple, and the Geekbench score backs that up. Great news!
I'll run another compute on mine, the 5500 is benching higher. The Vega20 is much closer but the 5500 still ahead by a good 5,000 from my score several months ago.
But yes, improvements in performance anywhere is great news.
 
I'll run another compute on mine, the 5500 is benching higher. The Vega20 is much closer but the 5500 still ahead by a good 5,000 from my score several months ago.
But yes, improvements in performance anywhere is great news.

I used GeekBench 5 to test my 2018 15” MacBook Pro which has a 560X, it scored about half the new 5500 in OpenCL:
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Ahead of the imminent launch of Apple's new 16-inch MacBook Pro, several benchmark results have appeared on Geekbench that allegedly come from a Mac model designated "MacBookPro16,1" and, if true, confirm some of the machine's rumored hardware specifications.

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Many of the results indicate that the 16-inch MacBook Pro will feature Intel 9th-generation Coffee Lake Refresh processors, which would be in line with the 15-inch MacBook Pro released in May. Some benchmarks show an 8-core Core i9 processor with a 2.4GHz base clock speed.

In addition, OpenCL scores list the machines as having Radeon Pro 5300M and 5500M graphics, and up to 32GB RAM. We've spotted references to Radeon Pro 5300M and 5500M in macOS Catalina code, so there's a good chance these are legit.

Article Link: Benchmarks Suggest 16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Have 9th-Gen Intel Processors With Up to 32GB of RAM and AMD Radeon Pro 5500M Graphics
So what are the Geekbench 4 Multicore scores so we can compare them?
 
Actual "pros" aren't using 6 year old dated technology though.

Well, I am. I held off the previous generation because it was faulty by design. Also, I just came back from one of the top-end color grading suites and they're using a cheese grater Mac Pro configured with some insane specs. High spec machines actually stay relevant much longer than your average consumer MacBook Air. A 10 year old top spec Mac Pro will still outperform anything you can buy today. My 6 year old MacBook Pro can still handle grading raw footage fairly well, though it can't play it back smoothly, hence the need for an upgrade.
 
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Actual "pros" aren't using 6 year old dated technology though.
I may not be considered a good "pro" then, I have 4 businesses (60+ workstations) with a majority being 6-9 year old computers that are still getting the job done perfectly fine.
I have a total cost of ownership per workstation I have to think of and pay for. So until the performance of the machine is costing money to operate and inhibiting production, it does not get replaced.
 
I used GeekBench 5 to test my 2018 15” MacBook Pro which has a 560X, it scored about half the new 5500 in OpenCL:
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Just tested my 2019 15" Vega20 scored 23,555. So, my math be off a bit, is that about a 24% increase the 5500 has with a 29,230? Not bad. Roughly 84-85% over the 560X.
 

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Just tested my 2019 15" Vega20 scored 23,555. So, my math be off a bit, is that about a 24% increase the 5500 has with a 29,230? Not bad. Roughly 84-85% over the 560X.

That is a nice gain, and I was just thinking how the 5500M is only $100 extra over the 5300M for the base $2399 model, and standard on the $2799 model. The Vega 20 was a $350 upgrade over the 560X.

I wonder how the 5300M will compare?
 
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So what are the Geekbench 4 Multicore scores so we can compare them?
The anchor text is not clear but they are here: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?q=MacBookPro16,1

The 2018 Mac Mini with the Core i7-8700B (3.2 GHz) is competitive with the base model of the new 16 inch MBP.

I suspect one reason we didn't get an update to the mini this year was to keep the focus on the MBP and its performance enhancements. An updated mini processor would have outpaced performance on the 16 MBP and I do think there is a reasonable case to be made for a desktop machine versus a laptop for some customers.
 
A 10 year old top spec Mac Pro will still outperform anything you can buy today.

No it won't.
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You should visit a professional audio studio and see if you want to revise this statement.

Yeah fair enough - my mate still runs an Atari for sequencing quite often. However there's a big difference between a workstation machine and a MacBook. I'd expect any mobile device in 6 years to be struggling to keep up with the latest methods of doing things. It has mobile chips, mobile ram, heavy thermal restrictions (compared to a desktop system), more breakable parts, a much more harsh day to day environment and a battery which degrades. Not to mention mobile perform increases a lot faster than the desktop counterparts. 6 years in laptop terms is a hell of a long time.
 
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A 10 year old top spec Mac Pro will still outperform anything you can buy today.

The top-spec Mac Pro from late 2009 is two X5570 CPUs with eight cores total.

At single-core, it scores 558. The top-spec MacBook Pro from May scores 1138. At dual-core, it scores 3828, and the top-spec MacBook Pro from May (which also has eight cores) scores 6892.

So the Mac Pro makes better use of its cores (a factor of 6.86, which ideally would be 8) than the MacBook Pro (only a factor of 6.06). But ultimately, it doesn't even come close to the performance.

That ignores other factors that have improved: the Mac Pro's memory runs 4.8 GT/s; the MacBook Pro's at 8 GT/s. The memory runs at 1066 MHz vs. 2400 MHz (and 2667 MHz on the November MacBook Pro). The Mac Pro, even at the top end, shipped with a 2TB spinning disk; the MacBook Pro's SSD will utterly destroy it.

Thunderbolt 3 vs. FireWire 800. USB 3.1 vs. USB 2.0(!). Even the Wi-Fi is way faster.

Yeah, you can put a high-end GPU in there, and also a decent SSD (though even then, you'd actually be limited to SATA 2 and PCIe 2). But then, you could also hook up a nice GPU vs. Thunderbolt.

So… nah.
 
top-spec Mac Pro from late 2009 is two X5570 CPUs with eight cores total

The majority of people talking about top spec for MP4,1 are machines "hacked" to ID as MP5,1 and using dual X5690's as their CPUs. Regardless, this is now getting way off topic for the 16" MBP...
 
The majority of people talking about top spec for MP4,1 are machines "hacked" to ID as MP5,1 and using dual X5690's as their CPUs. Regardless, this is now getting way off topic for the 16" MBP...

A machine with a processor that wasn't even sold until Q1 2011 is not a "top-spec Mac Pro from late 2009".
 
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