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My guess was the opposite. I thought Pomona was the one with Kellogg farms so they must have the agricultural goods. Doesn't matter though. I'm not even sure why I asked. :eek:

Ah, didn't know that there was a farm near Pomona. I've always heard that SLO was good for agriculture as well. I'm actually quite curious as to which one it is now. Please enlighten us 63dot.
 
The truth is, some majors are better than others. And I respect people who say, "do something you enjoy," but that doesn't have to be your job/career. Yes, you want a career that u enjoy, but it's not always the case. Given that, allow me to give you the low-down on what I feel are the good and lame majors, in general.

Lame: Communications, Psychology, Sports Medicine, English/Literature

Good: Engineering, Business, Bio, Mathematics
Define "lame".

I attend an art and design school, but I want a job, so I'm majoring in architecture.
So how's that going? How far along are you? I was in your shoes only a few years ago (and at the same school as 63dot -- which happens to be the Cal Poly in SLO) so I can empathize with your position.

I wound up in that major because I liked the art and design folks, but thought they were far to impractical; and I liked the math folks, but thought they were far to stodgy and anally retentive. (Obviously not exclusively on either side). So I found a way to merge those interests with my life-long love of building stuff.

Anyway... school's only half the battle. Then you gotta get your license. Hopefully I'll have mine in the next 12 months, but it's a hell of a process that you gotta do post-graduation. Very few other professions demand that level of rigor, but then we are responsible to ensure that things don't fall down -- at least not with people inside them.

Oh, and to answer the question above as well: Cal Poly SLO is a highly respected ag school. Ag majors there tend to come out ready to work. It's a very practical ag school, as opposed to the more theoretical UCDavis -- which is to cast no aspersions on UCD. Their program is stellar as well, just with a slightly different focus.
 
Define "lame".


So how's that going? How far along are you? I was in your shoes only a few years ago (and at the same school as 63dot -- which happens to be the Cal Poly in SLO) so I can empathize with your position.

I wound up in that major because I liked the art and design folks, but thought they were far to impractical; and I liked the math folks, but thought they were far to stodgy and anally retentive. (Obviously not exclusively on either side). So I found a way to merge those interests with my life-long love of building stuff.

Anyway... school's only half the battle. Then you gotta get your license. Hopefully I'll have mine in the next 12 months, but it's a hell of a process that you gotta do post-graduation. Very few other professions demand that level of rigor, but then we are responsible to ensure that things don't fall down -- at least not with people inside them.

Oh, and to answer the question above as well: Cal Poly SLO is a highly respected ag school. Ag majors there tend to come out ready to work. It's a very practical ag school, as opposed to the more theoretical UCDavis -- which is to cast no aspersions on UCD. Their program is stellar as well, just with a slightly different focus.

"lame" may be too harsh of a word, perhaps "unpractical" is better. Also add art majors in that category as well.
 
Why is it that impracticality is measured only along one variable (jobs)?

Jobs is what puts food in our stomachs, pays our rent, money for kids to go to school, medical bills, cars, etc. It's a sad truth :(
 
Jobs is what puts food in our stomachs, pays our rent, money for kids to go to school, medical bills, cars, etc. It's a sad truth :(

Yes, but careers do decidedly more than that.

We all have a raison d'être, and if you are able to make a living while doing it, I'd say your major is infinitely more useful to you than any other one possibly could have been.
 
hey man, good luck! I'm sure you will live such an interesting life with your useful major:p


sorry to break it to you, but it doesnt matter what you went to school for, just WHERE. thats life. comp sci degree from Rutgers? plahahahaha.... english major from Princeton? hello wall street or top ten law school.

I know there is some saying that goes something like"you will never get rich working for someone else"
 
mactastic said:
So how's that going? How far along are you? I was in your shoes only a few years ago (and at the same school as 63dot -- which happens to be the Cal Poly in SLO) so I can empathize with your position.
I'm only a freshmen, and architecture is a rigorous major. But I've always been one for lots of work if it's up my ally. I know at most any school, architecture majors are the ones who are up all night working in their studio spaces. ...Yet to get into much "meat" of the major, but I'm excited to dive in.

I wound up in that major because I liked the art and design folks, but thought they were far to impractical; and I liked the math folks, but thought they were far to stodgy and anally retentive. (Obviously not exclusively on either side). So I found a way to merge those interests with my life-long love of building stuff.
My sentiments exactly. I'm good at art, and kinda bad at math... But thankfully, when math is more visual, it comes easier. I opted to not enroll at a engineering school for the "too stodgy" rational. Just being in a design based environment, I'm more creative and free.

Anyway... school's only half the battle. Then you gotta get your license. Hopefully I'll have mine in the next 12 months, but it's a hell of a process that you gotta do post-graduation. Very few other professions demand that level of rigor, but then we are responsible to ensure that things don't fall down -- at least not with people inside them.
I want my Masters too... So add another couple years on before I'm even licensed. =/

But, as you said, a lot of responsibility lies on us, so I don't mind taking that seriously.
 
Anyway... school's only half the battle. Then you gotta get your license. Hopefully I'll have mine in the next 12 months, but it's a hell of a process that you gotta do post-graduation. Very few other professions demand that level of rigor, but then we are responsible to ensure that things don't fall down -- at least not with people inside them.

Yeah, I thought passing the CPA exam, the 150 credit hour education requirement and year of work under a licensed CPA was difficult, then I saw the Architecture requirements. Definitely a difficult field to get licensed in but an interesting one at that.
 
"lame" may be too harsh of a word, perhaps "unpractical" is better. Also add art majors in that category as well.
Practicality is in the eye of the practicioner. Just because YOU would be unable to get a job with an art or literature degree does not mean others cannot.

I'm only a freshmen, and architecture is a rigorous major. But I've always been one for lots of work if it's up my ally. I know at most any school, architecture majors are the ones who are up all night working in their studio spaces. ...Yet to get into much "meat" of the major, but I'm excited to dive in.
Good. Try to save some of that excitement for when the going gets rough. :p


My sentiments exactly. I'm good at art, and kinda bad at math... But thankfully, when math is more visual, it comes easier. I opted to not enroll at a engineering school for the "too stodgy" rational. Just being in a design based environment, I'm more creative and free.
A word of caution here... it's all well and good to get into the design side of things, but be warned that you will not exercise much of your design skills once you get out of college. Not that there isn't a need for you to be well-grounded in history and design principals, but you'll likely be detailing toilet stalls for a good bit of time after graduation.

And as far as engineering goes... without a solid understanding of engineering principals, your designs will be expensive and often overly cumbersome. Understanding things like how a cantilever makes a beam more efficient, why drag struts are crucial, and how a 2% slope is calculated become very important once you move beyond the educational environment where the laws of physics (and man) often don't apply.

Enjoy the design process... just don't forget that the technical side is just as important (if not more so, since bad asthetics only gets you a crappy reputation, bad technical skills get you sued!).

I want my Masters too... So add another couple years on before I'm even licensed. =/
Well, there's two ways of going the educational route. I did the 5-year BArch program. The other is the 4 year BSArch with the 2-year MArch attached, for a 6 year total. So really you'd only be going on additional year beyond what I did.

But, as you said, a lot of responsibility lies on us, so I don't mind taking that seriously.
Hey, keep us posted on how you do. And of course, feel free to PM me if you have questions.

Yeah, I thought passing the CPA exam, the 150 credit hour education requirement and year of work under a licensed CPA was difficult, then I saw the Architecture requirements. Definitely a difficult field to get licensed in but an interesting one at that.
Yeah, try a 5,600 hour internship requirement, 9 written exams, and one oral exam. Plus a pile of paperwork. :eek:

I'm getting close though. 8 exams down, waiting to hear on the last one (hopefully this week!), and the bulk of my internship is behind me. Now it's just down to a couple specific areas of the internship that are proving difficult to get, and a bunch of paperwork. Oh and the money. No end of people wanting $100 here, $300 there. Then someone somewhere will declare that I am "minimally competent". :p
 
Pomona or SLO?

SLO

I don't know much about Pomona or if they have a large ag/hort program, but when I went to SLO, they were one of the top ag schools anywhere and though it wasn't my major, it was my industry for 20 years, California and all, you know :) . I heard in the decades since I attended, Cal Poly SLO has gone more into being a general university with a huge diversity of majors. It's similar in some ways to Texas Agricultural and Mechanical University, which obviously today is much more than just those two.

Cal Poly SLO has really grown up to become respectable within California and imho, it's as good as any UC university (save Cal and UCLA) in their system and certainly as good as many private universities in the state. I have heard rumors that the public Cal State system will eventually offer medical, dental, pharmacy, veterinary, and law schools like the public UC system. It was never in the charter for the Cal State system to have any PhD level or professional Doctorate degrees, but San Diego State changed all that and maybe, other schools in that system will follow suit. San Diego State is now in the top 200 national universities (one that offers a doctorate and is of a certain size) and will definitely climb that ladder. For law schools, for instance, I can see the Cal State system scooping up all the California Bar accredited law schools and having the UC system keep their ABA California law schools. Certain grad/PhD programs who are on the verge of closing or under financial hardship can merge with a Cal State campus. Just a thought.

In Northern California, a well known linguist school was taken over by Middlebury College and a private marine bio lab was purchased by the Cal State system in recent years.
 
as ive graduated and seen my friends lives unfold, I find it interesting how many of my friends got jobs in the field they majored in. in my experience, most of the ones who did history, or theater, what have you are now working for a hotel chain or best buy, etc. completely unrelated

to them i ask (esp the best buy friend), why did you invest soooo much into an education for a job that didnt need it?

In my experience, college is about teaching you how to think and expand your mind rather than give you facts. When it comes to the majors that you listed, they do give you access to jobs, but to assume liberal arts degrees lead to dead ends makes me think your friends are working at Best Buy for reasons unrelated to their degrees.

Many of my business major friends found jobs but now hate them. They got their feet into doors that shot them to a higher tax bracket than I did right out of school. But they soon learned that their classes in college about economics and excel spreadsheets didn't prepare them for their job any better than my political science degree prepared me for my job working for a research foundation.
 
Psychology is a useless major for many of the students I am in league with. The class averages for my classes have dropped from A's in my 300-level to C's in my 500 and 600-level :eek:

I started college as a pre-Med/Neuroscience major but after discovering a love for languages over chemistry I dropped both, changed to a BA, and will have a have double major in German (write this post in German? :D) and Psychology. I am a research assisstant in a top-10 Psych school and have worked under two professors in the number two Social Psych department in the country. I also am involved in Habitat for Humanity and have traveled to Honduras (even picked up some spanish). All while working and finding some time for soccer.

I went to college for the opportunities to improve my life's social experiences. I have met people from all over the world, have encountered experiences that are alone worth all my tuition money (btw I am completely responsible for paying for everything and am completely financially independent of my parents), and am setting up myself up a wide array of options following graduation. I could teach English to Germans, German to English(speakers), pursue a Phd in Psychology or my plan now Law School(following a few years in Germany to become fluent).

In conclusion, I respect Engineers as math is something I have never enjoyed and look forward to representing them in the future or aiding them in sharing my passion for German.
 
Practicality is in the eye of the practicioner. Just because YOU would be unable to get a job with an art or literature degree does not mean others cannot.


Good. Try to save some of that excitement for when the going gets rough. :p



A word of caution here... it's all well and good to get into the design side of things, but be warned that you will not exercise much of your design skills once you get out of college. Not that there isn't a need for you to be well-grounded in history and design principals, but you'll likely be detailing toilet stalls for a good bit of time after graduation.

And as far as engineering goes... without a solid understanding of engineering principals, your designs will be expensive and often overly cumbersome. Understanding things like how a cantilever makes a beam more efficient, why drag struts are crucial, and how a 2% slope is calculated become very important once you move beyond the educational environment where the laws of physics (and man) often don't apply.

Enjoy the design process... just don't forget that the technical side is just as important (if not more so, since bad asthetics only gets you a crappy reputation, bad technical skills get you sued!).


Well, there's two ways of going the educational route. I did the 5-year BArch program. The other is the 4 year BSArch with the 2-year MArch attached, for a 6 year total. So really you'd only be going on additional year beyond what I did.


Hey, keep us posted on how you do. And of course, feel free to PM me if you have questions.


Yeah, try a 5,600 hour internship requirement, 9 written exams, and one oral exam. Plus a pile of paperwork. :eek:

I'm getting close though. 8 exams down, waiting to hear on the last one (hopefully this week!), and the bulk of my internship is behind me. Now it's just down to a couple specific areas of the internship that are proving difficult to get, and a bunch of paperwork. Oh and the money. No end of people wanting $100 here, $300 there. Then someone somewhere will declare that I am "minimally competent". :p

I have an ex-girlfriend who is a landscape architecture major and one of my best friends is an architecture major. It has given me a lot of perspective and Ive learned to never complain about my comparetively easy major, well, at least in their presence. They always seem chronically sleep-deprived and eternally busy for what seemed to be a relatively low monetary reward. But thats not why they are doing it of course. They do it because they love it and I could never see anyone becoming an architect if they didnt. Honestly, though, I think its the most difficult major. It requires so much time, effort and talent, which a lack of can negate any time or effort you put it in. My friend has told me about models that took weeks being flipped over on stage in front of the entire department. :eek:
 
I have an ex-girlfriend who is a landscape architecture major and one of my best friends is an architecture major. It has given me a lot of perspective and Ive learned to never complain about my comparetively easy major, well, at least in their presence. They always seem chronically sleep-deprived and eternally busy for what seemed to be a relatively low monetary reward. But thats not why they are doing it of course. They do it because they love it and I could never see anyone becoming an architect if they didnt.
Yeah, it's a labor of love for sure. If the goal was to maximize earning potential with a minimum of educational time and cost, I sure picked wrong. But it's a rewarding career, particularly since I provide educational spaces for teachers and students. I like to think that's one way of giving back to the educational system that got me to where I am today.

Honestly, though, I think its the most difficult major.
It's not the most difficult, although it's up there. I'd say medicine and law are harder.

It requires so much time, effort and talent, which a lack of can negate any time or effort you put it in. My friend has told me about models that took weeks being flipped over on stage in front of the entire department. :eek:
Yeah, I remember using welding torches and tablesaws after being awake for 50+ hours. Probably not my wisest decisions, but I still have all my parts (knock on wood). But you know what? That was still easier than the 17 months of sleep deprivation after my son was born!

Then, of course, there's the story of how I glued my ass to my desk one night after being awake for well over 24 hours... :eek:
 
I wont speak for what majors will get you jobs, because you are still responsible for not being a complete tard in order to secure a job after college... but as far as majors that will not land you jobs, look around your class and see if there are 5 or more hot girls you'd like to ****. If so, you are in a class with a dead-end major. truth
 
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