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You're putting me in the wrong camp. There is a large range of profitable sales levels between total failure and iPhone level sales. But, it is interesting that you seem to think anything less than iPhone like success is total failure.

What I think is that it does damage to the business and the brand in the long term to market your next best thing as something it's not..
 
BB is where I bought my 42mm Space Gray Sport AW. Looked at it @ the Madison, WI Apple store. Had a horrible experience. Waited for it to go on sale @ BB on 8/7. Saw that no BB's in Iowa were carrying it. Ordered it BB.com on late 8/8, early 8/9. Received it 8/11.

I'm glad I bought it there too b/c I saved $60 ($20 RWZ Cert & 10% mover's coupon), and got $360 toward my 2016 BB Elite/Elite Plus status.
 
And what, exactly are you trying to accomplish with these rants?

If Apple wants to silence criticism, it's pretty simple, really:

Don't solder memory in pro and desktop computers.

Don't deliberately cripple devices for the sole purpose of increasing margins.

Don't be an extreme bean-counter when making product design decisions.

Don't use shell-game pricing schemes to try and fool customers.

Don't hire and appoint juvenile, classless thugs like Dr. Dre to an executive position.

Don't bloat your software with unnecessary marketing/up-sell features and gimmicky features/add-ons (i.e., iTunes, etc.).

Tell TC to stay out social/political issues and don't use the position of CEO as a means to promote a personal agenda (as we've seen, it only leads to hypocrisy, among other things).

Lose the stereotypical marketing clown-college marketing clowns (it's getting rather cheesy).

Give your customers what they want (within reason) to the best of your ability.

Don't get too greedy.

Focus on product interests first, rather than investor interests.

Finally, KISS. Remember "it just works"? Apple is getting farther and farther from that.
 
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I am not saying sales are bad. They may very well be good. You just can't base it off of this article.
Why not, if people can state - with hilarious certainty - that since some other article says the sales numbers are lagging, or they haven't personally seen millions of them being worn in their neighborhood, that proves the Watch is a flop... and that Apple is coasting downhill to RIM status?
 
I typically don't wear a watch, but when the Apple Watch rumors began, and I saw a few of the rather attractive amateur mock-up photos, I was seriously considering one.

Then, when the actual Apple Watch appeared and I saw what a hideous, ugly, monstrosity, crippled, pointless device it is, any thought of purchasing immediately vanished. It could possibly have been something good, but vision-less Timmy F'd it up. And, if by it's very nature it couldn't be made to be a great device, then it should have never come out at all. Tim forced this pointless device into the product line due to pressure to produce/innovate/create.
What are your thoughts of the aesthetic of the gear 2? It's the first smart watch that I actually think looks nice.

Seeing them in the wild was just to illustrate my point that Apple is not selling as many as they anticipated.. The reason I'm not buying one is because I'm not willing to spend 500 on a notifications wrist computer that has no real independent function. I mean, the device needs ANOTHER device to actually operate. And even when you have the other device making the Apple Watch (accessory) operable, what does it really do? It sends notifications, allows you to look at pictures on a smaller screen (why would you?), allows you to draw messages to another with the device (why would you?), allows you to talk to another person through the device (why would you?), allows you to respond to a text message with some sort of canned response (why would you?).

We can agree to disagree on the function of the device, but please don't say the reason I'm not interested in the product is because other people aren't buying it. The reason I'm not buying it, and the reason I'm not seeing many (any?) in the wild is because its an expensive flawed product that serves no real independent purpose. I don't spend money just to spend it.
I follow and agree with you, mostly, but I will add that for someone in the market for a gps enabled sports watch already, this is a minor, if any, cost increase over other existing devices with a soul purposE of being a sports watch.

I agree that, for me, the price is. It yet justifiable.
 
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This is noting more than puffery to boast about its relationship with Apple.

I am not saying sales are bad. They may very well be good. You just can't base it off of this article.
There's no incentive to rolling out the watch to all the stores if this was puffery. Sales are very good (strong demand as the title says) so while you may not believe it. The proof appears to be in the pudding.
 
There's no incentive to rolling out the watch to all the stores if this was puffery. Sales are very good (strong demand as the title says) so while you may not believe it. The proof appears to be in the pudding.

Uh:

1. I did not say I did not believe it. I actually believe watch sales are doing well.

2. What proof? No numbers have been released. All you are basing this on is that they are selling watches in more stores and Best Buy's generalized statement?

Try again. Like I said before: watch sales may be doing well (which I personally believe), but this article is not something you can base that on.
 
Try again. Like I said before: watch sales may be doing well (which I personally believe), but this article is not something you can base that on.
I don't need to try again, the article stands on its own, BB is very happy, apple is very happy. You're seemingly not liking the idea of this. No worries, I'll move on since discussing this will be fruitless.
 
Off topic: Every time i see this close-up photo of the AW, i can't help but think: Boy, is this thing ugly.
 
There are 2 places to buy apple products...Apple store and Apple.com
Why go to best buy when the only knowledge they possess is trying to up-sell their 15% accessories per sale (not to mention the geek squad support that I guarantee they will tell you is better than AppleCare).
What do "best buy" and Jon Snow have in common?..... They know nothing!
End of story
One big reason that comes to mind for me is volume of stores. There's a lot more BestBuy stores then Apple stores. You're providing a product to a wider population. Not everyone has an apple store close by, but many more people have a BestBuy store near by
 
last thing I heard is that nobody was buying them. i guess things have changed.
uhhh, I think you heard wrong. Apple has always stated that they're very pleased with the apple watch sales which means people are buying them :)
 
I typically don't wear a watch, but when the Apple Watch rumors began, and I saw a few of the rather attractive amateur mock-up photos, I was seriously considering one.

Then, when the actual Apple Watch appeared and I saw what a hideous, ugly, monstrosity, crippled, pointless device it is, any thought of purchasing immediately vanished. It could possibly have been something good, but vision-less Timmy F'd it up. And, if by it's very nature it couldn't be made to be a great device, then it should have never come out at all. Tim forced this pointless device into the product line due to pressure to produce/innovate/create.
Unfortunately it seems not everyone agrees with you. I guess I'm pointless and have no taste because I like my Watch? What would make it not ugly for you? Changing the screen from square to round?
 
uhhh, I think you heard wrong. Apple has always stated that they're very pleased with the apple watch sales which means people are buying them :)
But do you honestly think Apple would say sales were disappointing? And I don't think they ever said they were pleased - just that it had been "beyond expectation". But they've never published what their expectations were. Maybe they expected to sell a few thousand...
 
But do you honestly think Apple would say sales were disappointing? And I don't think they ever said they were pleased - just that it had been "beyond expectation". But they've never published what their expectations were. Maybe they expected to sell a few thousand...
They just wouldn't comment on sales if they weren't happy with them
 
Explain why Apple would need to expand retail access if the watch were selling well.
Is this a serious question? If something is selling well (which would indicate demand exists) why wouldn't you want to expand the number of places it can be bought? The reason Apple sells as many iPhones as it does is because it's available in more countries/cities and on more carriers than ever before.

It amazes me how some are bound and determined to turn any news on Apple Watch in to a failure.
 
But do you honestly think Apple would say sales were disappointing? And I don't think they ever said they were pleased - just that it had been "beyond expectation". But they've never published what their expectations were. Maybe they expected to sell a few thousand...
I believe way back in the day, they did communicate that the G4 Cube was not selling as well when they rolled it out. I understand they don't want to come out and say sales are not the millions as they had hoped but I think overall they seem pleased. I have no idea what their threshold for good vs. bad sales is.
 
BB is where I bought my 42mm Space Gray Sport AW. Looked at it @ the Madison, WI Apple store. Had a horrible experience. Waited for it to go on sale @ BB on 8/7. Saw that no BB's in Iowa were carrying it. Ordered it BB.com on late 8/8, early 8/9. Received it 8/11.

I'm glad I bought it there too b/c I saved $60 ($20 RWZ Cert & 10% mover's coupon), and got $360 toward my 2016 BB Elite/Elite Plus status.
And that's exactly why rolling out in Best Buy is a good move.

Best Buy does deals. Enormously appealing to a huge sector (me included). Without affecting the ticket price (which lowers the tone and market positioning of the product, much to Apple's chagrin) BBY offers all sorts of back-end promos: points, redeemable coupons, etc. that have the same effect. I've been buying practically all of my Apple products there for years (notable exception - Apple refurb MacBooks)

Because who doesn't like a deal?

I'm predicting a blowout holiday season. The watch will be to "holiday gifting" what the iPod mini and iPad mini were in their heydays.

Apple's filling the channels with product to prepare: Not hard to grasp.
 
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But do you honestly think Apple would say sales were disappointing? And I don't think they ever said they were pleased - just that it had been "beyond expectation". But they've never published what their expectations were. Maybe they expected to sell a few thousand...
This is what Tim Cook said on the July earnings call:

http://www.imore.com/this-is-tim-transcript-q3-2015
And so, I sort of back up and look at this, and I feel fantastic about what the team has done and delivered, and I know I never go anywhere without the watch. And it's not because I'm the CEO of Apple—I'm that attached to it. I get lots of notes from a lot of people that feel the same way.
 
I believe way back in the day, they did communicate that the G4 Cube was not selling as well when they rolled it out. I understand they don't want to come out and say sales are not the millions as they had hoped but I think overall they seem pleased. I have no idea what their threshold for good vs. bad sales is.
We have no idea what their threshold is yet you just claimed "sales are not the millions as they had hoped". How do we know that? All we know is what Cook has told us - that sales exceeded expectations? Are people here suggesting that Apple intentionally lowered expectations after the watch went on sale?
 
Seeing them in the wild was just to illustrate my point that Apple is not selling as many as they anticipated..

Have you ever considered that what you see personally might not neccesarily represent the actual situation on the rest of the planet?

The reason I'm not buying it, and the reason I'm not seeing many (any?) in the wild is because its an expensive flawed product that serves no real independent purpose. I don't spend money just to spend it.

And again. Have you considered that it might have a purpose for other people?

I have seen quite a few Apple Watches (in The Netherlands, where it became available only a few weeks ago), but still I don't extrapolate my experience to the rest of the world. It seems you are letting your personal feelings about a product take over from reason.
 
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