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Re: Re: can't be too bad

Originally posted by Mr. G4
It's not going to happen...iSights is Firewire...noone on PC has one...even iPod had to switch to USB2

this is the biggest crock of...I have ever heard of. A lot of the new pc's, not the lowest of the low but the middle range ones are equipped with firewire. especially ones coming out of HP and Sony. To imply that no one on the pc side has firewire is stupid and utterly false. Go browse around the specs of the major desktop and notebook systems on the pc side; surely at least one will have firewire :rolleyes:
 
It's not going to happen...iSights is Firewire...noone on PC has one...even iPod had to switch to USB2

You're forgetting that literally ALL DV camcorders (including the new consumer HD cams) have firewire. Firewire isn't going anywhere anytime soon. There's absolutely no reason for a PC manufacturer to ship models without a firewire port. They'll catch on.
 
Buying a New Mac

I have bought three new Mac's over the years.
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Performa 630CD bought via call-in to MacMall catelog. (Al Gore had just invented the internet, and my second hand MacSE didn't have the hardware.)
PowerMac 6500/250 bought via walk-in to MacMall's warehouse store. Closeout-discontinued model at greatly reduced price. (56k modem and OS 8.0)
QuickSilver-733 bought via walk-in to Apple Store (Saddle Creek). Closeout model at reduced price.
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I bought my Maytag laundry appliances from the Maytag store, even though BestBuy had the same brand. BestBuy did not have the model that I was looking for, so the BestBuy large appliance dept employee recommended that I should visit the nearby Maytag store.
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My local BestBuy store has sold me a fantastic Sony home theatre sound system to go along with the largest Sony Wega flat screen TV.
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I have found that my local BestBuy store has knowledgable and friendly staff.
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So, if my local BestBuy sells G5's, I would expect that the computer dept employees would be familiar with Mac's. I would also check to see if BestBuy has the same Customer Service as Apple's Saddle Creek Store.

Apple's Saddle Creek store allows me to bring in my ethernet equipped Mac's so that I can hook into their T1 connection and do those really large downloads myself. No charge.

JJ :D
 
Re: Best Buy gets a bad rap

Originally posted by Lord Bodak
While I have seen some completely clueless salespeople at Best Buy (and every other retail store out there), they get a really bad rap. A lot of their employees take the time to actually learn the products they're selling.
Ah, unfortunately more of their salespeople seem to fall into the pattern quoted a few posts above yours, "unless oyur supervisor is smarter than the avg management, you're on your own. and if, like me, you have no desire to learn the difference between an xbox and a ps2 you come across as a moron."

Why wouldn't you want to know what you were selling if that was your job? Heck, I don't know. But retail outlets -- especially ones like Best Buy that don't pay commission -- don't attract professional sales staff. And when you want to buy something but need "value added service" (ie: don't just walk in with a part number and a credit card), you want a professional sales person. The margins in computer sales (for many stores) are too low to pay them, however. This is one area where the boutique nature (and pricing) of the Apple product allows them to provide the additional service. I wouldn't expect to see anything good happen without their own employees in the stores for this very reason.

-Richard
 
Originally posted by tlhash
"I swear the PC world has its myths about Macs and the Mac world has its myths about PC's and I can tell you THIS is one of those myths. You don't get quality software from an OS you get it from the person sitting behind the keyboard doing the programming and contrary to popular belief (That’s aimed at you tlhash." SiliconAddict

I didn't mention anything about PROGRAMMERS. I was talking about buyers! I don't now about you, but the 15 or 20 friends and family I know who have PC's, (without exception), have paid $1000 to $2000 for a PC, just to play games. Out of all the things you can do with $1500, buying a box to play a game is not the most INTELLIGENT. Let me know if you disagree.

No I agree. Fully. For the price of a new PC you could get what? 6 PS2's? Sorry I misread your post.
 
Re: not surprised

Originally posted by djwu
I'm not surprised that this is going to happen. I read an article on a Canadian subsidiary of Best Buy opening up mini-Apple stores in its establishment like CompUSA a while ago. I don't remember what the Canadian store name was though.

Futureshop is the store (it was bought by Best Buy about a year ago). They won't be "mini-stores", but they will have their own section with well trained staff. I have a friend that works there and they are also sending all of the people that would cover the computer dept. and all the managers to recieve apple training and will have one or two mac specialists in the store, but not at the same time. He had also told me that they do also have product Sku's for apple hardware, but this deal was made back in january or febuary.
 
Damn, not many of you read the article huh/ hard to discuss a thread topic related to an article without actually reading the article? It plainly says

Earlier this month, insiders confirmed that the two companies are still considering a plan where Best Buy would sell Apple products, and Apple would staff the stores with its own employees to help boost sales.

What part own 'Apple would staff the stores with it's own employees' don't some of you understand? Some the knock that Best Buy employees don't know jack about the mac is irrelevant. This is what Apple needs, to be available to the 95%. To be available to the mass market who is in a position to purchase a computer.

Oh, and my CompUSA is very nice. It is staffed by an Apple expert who keeps install disks handy and all the machines are running fairly well and not missing too many apps. So, the anti-CompUSA knocks must come from these who visit stores that possibly don't have these Apple experts? So, while some stores may not be the ideal purchasing showcase for macs, it's the exposure, the availability of macs in CompUSA that is still very important. I buy a lot of mac stuff there and is very good for Apple. Best Buy will only help increase our market share.
 
what people seem to generally miss is that there are dumb people in the world... some of these dumb people work in computer depts at stores like best buy...

the fact is, ALL stores that sell computers have some people who know what they're doing, and some that don't. *including* the apple retail stores.... so, i don't know why everyone is so hung up on one store or another.

surely the apple trained folks will have a higher % of knowledge that is mac specific and such... but they won't know it all


as for the hard drive being bigger helping speed and such. sure, the guy could've been out of drive space and needed more to avoid getting a big speed hit... but you don't know any better than the guy who told the anecdote that that was the exact case. it very well could've been that he had 10 gbs of files on a 40 gb drive and the guy was trying to sell him on more space. the fact is again, salesmen want to sell, and often don't recommend the proper solution as a result of that.


overall i think it's good that they sell macs in best buy. personally, i prefer best buy to any of the comparable stores (at least for cds, dvds, video games, etc)... of course, those things don't require much assistance. and i don't remember ever being offered a warranty.
 
All I can say to Apple is: don't do it! If they sell Macs like they do iPods now, they'll be locked away in cages, none will on display, and all the "help" will do when you managed to find them is explain how Apple sets the price and they don't.
 
what im curious to know is if they will sell their service plans with them (im thinking not because that would kill applecare sales) and if best buy would do their own in house service or if they will ship it to apple.

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
what im curious to know is if they will sell their service plans with them (im thinking not because that would kill applecare sales) and if best buy would do their own in house service or if they will ship it to apple.

iJon

Apple care's service sucks anyway. If they can deal with it in-store, or better yet, just give you a new machine on the spot, I'll take that anyday before dealing with apple care. Their service sucks up here in Canada.
 
It's certainly an interesting development...

The closest apple store to me is 150 miles away, and I think a lot of people have qualms about buying a computer they haven't physically seen. Many people simply think of them like a TV -- where you go, look at them, and whatever has the picture that looks sharpest to you is what you get. Very, very few computer buyers even understand the difference between hard drive space and RAM, let alone differences in processor architecture, etc.

However, there are also a LOT of people out there who have never really seen or used a mac in the flesh, and I think if the sales person for the mac would just SHOW a buyer just how easy it is to make a movie or burn a DVD on a mac, and challenge a BestBuy-PC Zealot to show the customer how to do it on a PC (it's a thousand times more complicated) and then mention that the PC software to do so is on those racks and racks of software, but doesn't come with the computer.

Even having iTunes running and letting people who haven't used it give it a try would help a lot to sell the mac and shut the PC zealots down.

There are a lot of other things that would be important to point out too... it would be important to emphasize that you aren't going to be able to play some games on the Mac -- but emphasize that in order to buy a computer capable of playing modern games anyhow will cost well over $2000 at Best Buy, and emphasize that for the price of the video card in that computer, you could buy a whole new Xbox and a few games.

Anyhow... I guess my point is that I think that a lot of people could be enlightened IF IF IF IF IF the salespeople are very educated about the Mac and its advantages. If they aren't, and aren't able to force the PC sales people to swallow the Mac advantages, then they won't be convincing enough to the customer either.
 
Originally posted by Websnapx2
Apple care's service sucks anyway. If they can deal with it in-store, or better yet, just give you a new machine on the spot, I'll take that anyday before dealing with apple care. Their service sucks up here in Canada.
well i dont think the service sucks, but even if they did do it in house, it would still be applecare, not best buy. i also doubt apple would let them give out free machines when they break. I have a feeling when this happens best buy wont have much control over what goes on in the apple section

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
well i dont think the service sucks, but even if they did do it in house, it would still be applecare, not best buy. i also doubt apple would let them give out free machines when they break. I have a feeling when this happens best buy wont have much control over what goes on in the apple section

iJon

I don't know. That is where stores like bestbuy make alot of there money. Plus apple doesn't really give retailers too much of a price break, so they have to make ip the money somewhere. Both will have to give and take a little. I think I would rather deall with Best But's warrenty just cause of their policies, but I am sure i will end up stuck with that crappy canadian applecare service.
 
Re: Re: Best Buy gets a bad rap

Originally posted by rjstanford


Why wouldn't you want to know what you were selling if that was your job? Heck, I don't know. But retail outlets -- especially ones like Best Buy that don't pay commission -- don't attract professional sales staff. And when you want to buy something but need "value added service" (ie: don't just walk in with a part number and a credit card), you want a professional sales person. The margins in computer sales (for many stores) are too low to pay them, however. This is one area where the boutique nature (and pricing) of the Apple product allows them to provide the additional service. I wouldn't expect to see anything good happen without their own employees in the stores for this very reason.

-Richard


I stand by what I said about coming across as a moron, but I need to make it more clear. I was placed in the media dept without any real instruction on the product, only on best buy policy as a whole. as a result, i was often clueless when helping people with video games, as I knew less than they did. My comment was related to the fact that it was not entirely my fault i was in a dept where i did not know the answer; there was no specific training on ps2 v xbox v gamecube. everything i knew i learned from grabbing another employee or my supervisor and asking them directly about the issue at hand. They did not offer or provide any furhter information.
Yes, I could have gone home and researched it, but best buy is a part itme job for me, while i completed school and wokred out what comes next. further, if they want to pretend like thier employees are more than just corporate drones (which is how they reward us-they want to see everything according to plan and thats it) they should be doing more to make it so. It wsa not in my nor any other employee's job description to use my own time to research information my workplace did not provide.
So, assuming that my experience is rather standard for an employee, it makes sense that most people on this board are concerned about Best Buy...and I hope to god they keep an Apple person around from open to close.
On the other hand, half the pc's are labelled wrong, plus they only play the same dumbass demos...so the macs might stand out nicely no matter what.
Personally, having spent lots of fun quality time retagging the laptop section, a few ibooks and pbooks over there will be a jolt...i think people will see the ibooks esp as an option, since closed they are 1/2 the thickness of an HP paperweight at around the same price and feature set (dvd-rom/cdrw, etc).
the only non-HUGE laptop we sell is a sony for 1700...and its fugly with a nasty chiclet keyboard. So on the laptop end things might be better than they appear....
--carly
(be nice to best buy employees...they're probably just as disgruntled as you are ;-))
 
Re: Re: can't be too bad

Originally posted by Mr. G4
It's not going to happen...iSights is Firewire...noone on PC has one...even iPod had to switch to USB2

PC's have firewire. It's just called by a different name, like iLink or IEEE1394.
 
Originally posted by Websnapx2
I don't know. That is where stores like bestbuy make alot of there money. Plus apple doesn't really give retailers too much of a price break, so they have to make ip the money somewhere. Both will have to give and take a little. I think I would rather deall with Best But's warrenty just cause of their policies, but I am sure i will end up stuck with that crappy canadian applecare service.
i know, that is where a lot of there money comes from, and they sell them on ipods too i believe, but apple doest sell warranties on their ipods. but i do know apple puts restrictions on with best buy because every now and then i get preferred customer coupons at best buy, and when i read the fine print it says i cannot use them on apple ipods or bose stereos. guess we will just have to wait and see.

iJon
 
Originally posted by ouketii
what if they put the apple machines in with the windows machines? with nothing to differentiate other than 'oo that one looks cooler'.

And 'oo that one is more expensive.
 
Re: Re: Re: can't be too bad

Originally posted by Pete_Hoover
PC's have firewire. It's just called by a different name, like iLink or IEEE1394.

Actually, the IEEE group adopted the Firewire trademark, so current PCs should be calling it Firewire.
 
another BB computer employee here

hey, i've been workin at BB for a few months...i got it as a summer job since im only 17. I'm heading off to college soon, hopefully w/ a 15" powerbook upgrade ;].

I know a lot of you are emphasizing that Apple Reps will be at the store to sell the products, however, the apple reps will not be the only ppl selling the products. Right now in my store, we have epson, canon, sharp, hp, and sony reps, but they dont always sell. There are usually more customers than reps, so we have to help customers out. Also, the reps are usually there only on *busy* days like fridays, saturdays, sundays, etc. I don't expect an Apple rep there all day everyday. (hopefully they are, for my store's sake).

I am by no means anti-mac, but i am a newbie and am still trying to figure out the difference between the apple and pc world. I am ready to make the switch, but for now, I would be uncomfortable trying to sell an apple to a customer. Most of you are right about the ipods, they are kept in glass cases on the bottom (as a theft issue, because of their price). But they are the 2nd best selling mp3 player, (after the iRiver). I asked one of the techs that work with me the other day about his opinion of apple and he said "they suck." ;[ If the reps train me and my employees properly, then we should be able to sell the macs pretty well...i hope

sorry to those who have had bad experience w/ BB, its hard to find a BB that really puts customers first. I feel a lot of pressure on me to sell and in turn, sometimes that pressure is put on customers.

as for the service plan on apples from best buy...it mite be a good decision to get it instead of applecare because i think its cheaper and best buy techs wont try to fix it, they will probably just send it to apple.

2 questions...
1. what is ASC?
2. What kind of discount could i get? (our discount is 5% above store cost)
 
Bad old days

I Dunno. As a mac user and concequently purchaser since 1984, I've seen all Apple's partnerships with the big retailers including Circuit City, Silo, Best Buy, Sears... I know this is generalizing and obviously based on one person's experiences but I have NEVER, and I do mean NEVER had a "positive" Mac shopping experience outside of a Mac specialty retailer. The best I could rate any of them was "Neutral" which loosly translates into a good selection and no salesman telling me I shouldn't buy a Mac becuase they cost more and don't run any software.

The Best Buy experience will have to be a great deal better than the last iMac fiasco. At least locally, they had a single shelf with about a dozen "Mac only" applications and absolutely no indication that there were many hybrid discs with Mac and Win applications. The sales force would steer you AWAY from the Macs at any opportunity.

There is no bad publicity/exposure, but this scares me anyway. Anyone who wants to buy a Mac will do so anyway, and a few undecided buyers will buy them just because they are there, but the great unwashed masses will keep right on buying PeeCees 'cause that is what they will be sold. I doubt many salesmen will actually try to talk a PC buyer INTO a mac, even if the primary use for the computer will be digital video, etc.
 
Originally posted by iJon
what im curious to know is if they will sell their service plans with them (im thinking not because that would kill applecare sales) and if best buy would do their own in house service or if they will ship it to apple.

iJon

To my knowledge, Best Buy's "service plans" don't do their own work anyhow. Although this may be different for computers as opposed to other electronics.
 
Originally posted by Lord Bodak
To my knowledge, Best Buy's "service plans" don't do their own work anyhow. Although this may be different for computers as opposed to other electronics.

I'm not too woried about the work, more about the poicies about lemons, that they replace them. I would rather deal with a local store than, ship things back and forth.
 
Originally posted by e-coli
Whoa...hold the 'tude there, chief. I'm saying things like Norton Disk Lock and Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing may be adding to the repertoire of software available for the PC, but that doesn't mean they're quality products. As far as doing everything I need to do with a computer, there's plenty of software available for the Mac. Games are the only exception.

Lighten up pal. We're all reasonably intelligent souls on these boards and quite capable of making founded arguments. ;)


No attitude about this. Trust me. *Sinks down in his computer chair*
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There are enough people here to flame me into the stone age so I'd rather avoid pissing anyone off :) I've been starting to do my homework on the Mac and am aware that just about any software available on the PC is available on the Mac to one extent or other. (I have yet to find anything equal to MapPoint though.)

Two points as it pertains to this thread.

One, I never claimed that all software on the PC platform is good. Fact of the matter is that there IS a ton of filler crap on the Windows platform, just as there is a tone of filler crap on a Palm that allows Palm to claim thousands of application. I still believe that there is more good software out there then crap. Also good software is somewhat relative. Is good software defined as the app being fast? Being fully featured? Being crash proof? Or just plain being useful? If it’s the last one I would say that there is a lot of good software on the PC platform. (MapPoint 2002 is a godsend coupled with GPS.)

Secondly that to an end user looking at a cardboard box with Mac software in it and one with PC software in it doesn't tell them of the quality. All they see is multirows of PC software to a trickle of Mac software. It does make a difference. I was talking with a coworker here at work about the PowerBooks and she rolled her eye asking why I would want a Mac because of the limited software. That’s the beef I hear anytime I talk to someone about Macs. Where’s the software. The godsend is Virtual PC. For those apps I don’t want to give up I can run them. But that’s another what? $80 for that software? I always wondered why Apple didn’t have a rebate offer for Switchers that would allow you to get VPC cheap.

Anyways I guess I’m being a tad too negative about this. I suppose the fact that the store will have Apple hired employees, a fact that I totally missed sorry :eek: , and that the hardware will be more available for the consumer to play with is a decided plus. The rep can push home the point of quality over quantity. I’m just happy that for some of the relatives who’s Wintel computers I support; when they decide to upgrade I don’t have to tell them to drive to hell and gone to look at a Mac. Go to your local Best Buy. Much easier then driving 50 miles to an Apple store.
 
software does make a differnce, the point is best buy probably wouldnt carry all the pc software if it wasnt selling. and if its selling somebody likes it. and vpc is more expensive than that. its only that cheap if you have a windows os laying around, if not it can be upt to 200 dollars.

iJon
 
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