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****Best buy pre-order****

gloss said:
Relative to the demand? Yes. If supply outstrips demand, supply is effectively limitless. On the other hand, if demand outstrips even a massive supply, that massive supply will be insufficient.

Does it really take someone else's brain to process these ideas for you?




Every Best Buy, if it gets a shipment, will, by necessity get at least one iPhone. So yes, it is the most logical assumption.
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Hahahaha. You beat me to it. Here was my reply:

Gagoots said:
Really? There is a limit to how many iPhones apple has made? As opposed to all of the products that they make which are limitless?
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Limited in the sense that there is more demand than there is product. As opposed to there being a relatively equal product as there is demand (i.e. being able to walk into a store and buy the iPhone 4 right now). :)
 
gloss said:
Relative to the demand? Yes. If supply outstrips demand, supply is effectively limitless. On the other hand, if demand outstrips even a massive supply, that massive supply will be insufficient.

Does it really take someone else's brain to process these ideas for you?




Every Best Buy, if it gets a shipment, will, by necessity get at least one iPhone. So yes, it is the most logical assumption.
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The idea was that 1 was the most logical amount that each store would get. If you can't see the fault with that logic than hold on and I'll pee on you.
 
Gagoots said:
OK, everybody. Each Best Buy store is only going to get ONE iPhone because that is the most "logical" amount.
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Did I say exactly one? I'm sorry, you must have misunderstood. I said one is more logical than 2. The chances of 1 phone would be larger than 2 because the phones are limited. How does this not compute?

Gagoots said:
The idea was that 1 was the most logical amount that each store would get. If you can't see the fault with that logic than hold on and I'll pee on you.
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:eek:
 
Gagoots said:
The idea was that 1 was the most logical amount that each store would get. If you can't see the fault with that logic than hold on and I'll pee on you.
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One unit is certainly the safest bet. If you think otherwise then you're an idiot.

One unit would be a subset of any other number of units that the store might receive. I know this is a difficult concept for you, but that means that if the store gets 100 units, they'd still have gotten that first one. Therefore, the logic stands.
 
gloss said:
One unit is certainly the safest bet. If you think otherwise then you're an idiot.

One unit would be a subset of any other number of units that the store might receive. I know this is a difficult concept for you, but that means that if the store gets 100 units, they'd still have gotten that first one. Therefore, the logic stands.
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Logic win!
 
second's the best

I'm #2 on my best buy's "master list" for a black 32gb model. Hopefully that means I'll get mine on launch :D (I've read that white is the most popular color and 16gb is the most popular capacity).
 
If the stores were promised 35, just because Apple didn't make an infinite number of phones doesn't mean that each store is more likely to get 1 than 2.

But don't take my word on it. Come back here on the 24th and see what happens. If each store gets just 1, than you guys can gang-bang my mom.
 
Gagoots said:
If the stores were promised 35, just because Apple didn't make an infinite number of phones doesn't mean that each store is more likely to get 1 than 2.

But don't take my word on it. Come back here on the 24th and see what happens. If each store gets just 1, than you guys can gang-bang my mom.
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Sadly, logic doesn't set well with you.

1 is more likely than 2 because if they get 2, the 1 is still fulfilled.

First show us where "the stores where promised 35" by an official channel and we'll have a different logic debate.

We are not saying every store will only get one.
 
Gagoots said:
If the stores were promised 35, just because Apple didn't make an infinite number of phones doesn't mean that each store is more likely to get 1 than 2.

But don't take my word on it. Come back here on the 24th and see what happens. If each store gets just 1, than you guys can gang-bang my mom.
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Who ever said 'just' anything? We just said that one unit is more likely than two. And that two is more likely than 40. Because if they receive 40, they'll also have received one, and two.

Do you follow?

You know, even if you did try to pee on my face, if your aim is as good as your logic you'll probably have forgotten to undo your zip.
 
lorenwade said:
Sadly, logic doesn't set well with you.

1 is more likely than 2 because if they get 2, the 1 is still fulfilled.
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No.

Wrong.

We are talking about a TOTAL amount. Two would be Two. 35 would not be 1 and two and three and four and five and six...etc

I'll tell you what wan't fulfilled, was your chromosomes.
 
Gagoots said:
No.

Wrong.

We are talking about a TOTAL amount. Two would be Two. 35 would not be 1 and two and three and four and five and six...etc

I'll tell you what wan't fulfilled, was your chromosomes.
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Gagoots vs. Logical Semantics. One of these things has an academic community constructed around it.

Round One!

FIGHT.

Gagoots said:
No.

Wrong.

We are talking about a TOTAL amount. Two would be Two. 35 would not be 1 and two and three and four and five and six...etc

I'll tell you what wan't fulfilled, was your chromosomes.
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So what you're saying is that if Best Buy gets 35 phones than only preorder #35 is going to be fulfilled?

No, in fact, all the preorders from #1-#35 will receive their devices. But if only two devices arrive, than only preorders #1 and #2 will be getting theirs. See where this is going?

It's safe to assume at least one phone. It's increasingly less safe to guess an increasingly larger number of phones. And yes, despite your brain's feverish protests to the contrary, 35 is indeed one and two and three and four and five and six...etc. No one ever said they'd ONLY be getting one phone. Or ten phones. Simply that, logically speaking, the smaller minimum number of devices you assume the more likely your assumption will be correct.
 
well they're not getting 51 Iphones in stock (which I'm not surprised by) cause someone just called my friend and said they won't have his phone on launch day.
 
It seems like more threads are saying about 45 per store. I know my BestBuy said they were doing pre-orders on the 15th and will order a phone per each pre-order, and then some extra for walk-ups. I wasn't told what number I was when I did my pre-order at 5:30pm on the 15th, but I called yesterday and they told me I was #2, so I'm happy about that. I ordered a black 16gb even though I wanted white, just because of all the rumors about white being limited or not even coming out on the 24th. I guess when I go I'll ask if they have any whites and if so, get it, and if not, I'll just stick with my black.

I bought a white silicone case, so it'll look good on a black or white phone IMO.
 
Even if each store was to receive 45 phones each. There are some things you need to consider.....

1 - Knowing Best Buy, they were taking reservations for the current stock of phones they would get. I don't think they are going to have 1 batch of phones for people that made a reservation and another batch of phones for walk-ins. ( this is usually an apple store deal )

2 - Of the first 45 people on the list, what are the chances of each person taking just 1 phone? When I was in line for the iPad 3G, everyone in line around me was buying the maximum 2 iPads ( whether it was to sell on eBay or for a friend or relative ).

So, with you being #70 on the list, I would say that your chances are very low when it comes to getting the phone on the 24th, unless that eBay you reserved at is getting over 100 phones on that day.
 
Is it safe to say that Best Buy may know how many they are receiving? Especially since people are getting shipment notifications already? BB should also get notification, right? Someone on East Coast call a BB and see whats up..
 
If you were in a court of law, sworn in, and you had 5 dollars in your pocket, and you were asked how much money was in your pocket, and you answered "1 and also 2 and also three and besides that: four, and don't forget five", you'd get (rightfully so) kicked in the nuts and charged with contempt.

Let's parse the question: "how many phones will you be getting". "How many" = SUM. A sum. A sum. A SUM. NOT WHAT NUMBERS MAKE UP THE SUM.

OK?

Thanks.

gloss said:
Gagoots vs. Logical Semantics. One of these things has an academic community constructed around it.

Round One!

FIGHT.



So what you're saying is that if Best Buy gets 35 phones than only preorder #35 is going to be fulfilled?

No, in fact, all the preorders from #1-#35 will receive their devices. But if only two devices arrive, than only preorders #1 and #2 will be getting theirs. See where this is going?

It's safe to assume at least one phone. It's increasingly less safe to guess an increasingly larger number of phones. And yes, despite your brain's feverish protests to the contrary, 35 is indeed one and two and three and four and five and six...etc. No one ever said they'd ONLY be getting one phone. Or ten phones. Simply that, logically speaking, the smaller minimum number of devices you assume the more likely your assumption will be correct.
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Why are you guys arguing with either an idiot or a troll (I actually suspect the latter as he seems to like to try to twist logic around to make a point that is not true sound true)?

Anyways, I know I just contributed but now I'll do my part and not pay attention to him or people responding to him.

And back on topic, yeah, I think OP is probably outta luck and if he really wants a phone he should go to an Apple store really really early to beat the crowds. I know there is at least one rumor that Best Buy isn't getting any.

And I honestly don't think Radioshack is a good alternative (I doubt they will get more than Walmart and it has been reported walmart is getting like 5 if they are a busy store). And from what I understand AT&T is only selling their phones to those who pre-ordered (I could be wrong on this though).

I'd say best bet is camping out at Apple or maybe AT&T. I wouldn't even bother with the others.
 
All anyone in this thread is saying is that the earlier you got yourself on Best Buy's reservation list the more likely you are to get an iPhone, which isn't really saying anything...
 
Plus - and this is the last I will say on the matter - I am *not* twisting any logic. Unless you guys agree that the sum total that every BB store is most likely get on 6/24 is 1, iphone 4-wise, then you agree with what I am trying to argue. That's all. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you can grasp that.
 
tigress666 said:
And back on topic, yeah, I think OP is probably outta luck and if he really wants a phone he should go to an Apple store really really early to beat the crowds. I know there is at least one rumor that Best Buy isn't getting any.
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yeah, sorry OP but IMO you most likely will not be getting an iPhone 4 on launch day from Best Buy with your pre-order position (based on the initial reports of about 45 per store and thats wishful thinking). BUT if Best Buy is allowed to fulfill ALL of their pre-orders then you will be in the clear (unlikely though).

Also in response to the rumors of Best Buy not getting any at all...I just do not see that happening. The "internal memo" that the employee posted and quickly took down was only one part to the memo. The other half stated that they did not know how many they would get on Launch day which is rather conflicting. In reality none of the stores knows really know...anything at all.
 
Gagoots said:
If you were in a court of law, sworn in, and you had 5 dollars in your pocket, and you were asked how much money was in your pocket, and you answered "1 and also 2 and also three and besides that: four, and don't forget five", you'd get (rightfully so) kicked in the nuts and charged with contempt.

Let's parse the question: "how many phones will you be getting". "How many" = SUM. A sum. A sum. A SUM. NOT WHAT NUMBERS MAKE UP THE SUM.

OK?

Thanks.
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So if you were in a court of law, sworn in, and you had 5 dollars in your pocket, and you were asked if you had a dollar, you would say 'no' because you only have 5 dollars? No, you'd say 'yes', because if you have 5 dollars then you also have 4, 3, 2, and 1 dollar.

Anyway, since actual logic seems to be lost on you, perhaps we should try a new tack.

You're wrong. Always.
 
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