MP 1,1-5,1 Best/Cheaper NVMe Raid setup on MacPro 5,1

LABANA

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Dec 10, 2015
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Hi guys!

Thanks you all for the help on my last Thread!... I solve the Issue!;-)

Now.. I'm getting crazy with lots of opinions about Getting Mojave Installed on a NVMe(M.2) Drive to get the maximum speed from 2 or 4 drives at the same time running on Raid 0.

Here are my specs:

Mac Pro 2009 4,1>5,1
MacOS High Sierra (Installed on an Old Hardisk Just for jumping from my Old "El Capitan)
Prosessors: 2 x 3,46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon
Ram: 128 GB 1333 MHz DDR3(Needed as I Run a Music Studio and Cut Videos)
Graphics: I will Install soon a Sapphire RX 590 Special Edition - 8 GB GDDR5 - 256 Bit
(Right Now I'm running the Original NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512 MB Until I get the New 590)

What I need is:

A working PCIe NVMe M.2 where I can load the 4 NVMe drives to raid them and work at the fastest speed possible, or do Raid10, 2 drives linked for work power speed and 2 linked as mirror.
Ideal under 200 bucks!

Examples:

1 - https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-M-2-X16...ng=UTF8&me=&qid=1561565875&sr=1-5

tsialex wrote around that these cards need to have Bifurcation(Who knows that bifurcation guy!) ;-)

2 - https://www.amazon.com/CREST-SI-PEX40129-Ports-Bifurcation-Controller/dp/B07HYZY7P2

Please tell me which one shall I but, from these or you might have a better or cheaper solution!


I also will need 2 or 4 NVMe Drives with the maximum speed possible, Maybe with 512mb each?...
I've seen these around:

Examples:

1 - https://www.hardwareschotte.de/preisvergleich/480GB-Corsair-Force-MP510-M-2-Ssd-p22114660

2 - https://www.amazon.de/Crucial-CT500...ters&sr=1-1-spons&creativeASIN=B01MTU75X4

3 - https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX50...sr=1-17-spons&keywords=Quad+NVMe+M.2+PCIe+x16


And the most important... "How da **** do I do this"? ;-)

I'm getting crazy around... too much information..!

I would very appreciate your help!!
 

tsialex

macrumors 603
Jun 13, 2016
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Brazil
Hi guys!

Thanks you all for the help on my last Thread!... I solve the Issue!;-)

Now.. I'm getting crazy with lots of opinions about Getting Mojave Installed on a NVMe(M.2) Drive to get the maximum speed from 2 or 4 drives at the same time running on Raid 0.

Here are my specs:

Mac Pro 2009 4,1>5,1
MacOS High Sierra (Installed on an Old Hardisk Just for jumping from my Old "El Capitan)
Prosessors: 2 x 3,46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon
Ram: 128 GB 1333 MHz DDR3(Needed as I Run a Music Studio and Cut Videos)
Graphics: I will Install soon a Sapphire RX 590 Special Edition - 8 GB GDDR5 - 256 Bit
(Right Now I'm running the Original NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512 MB Until I get the New 590)

What I need is:

A working PCIe NVMe M.2 where I can load the 4 NVMe drives to raid them and work at the fastest speed possible, or do Raid10, 2 drives linked for work power speed and 2 linked as mirror.
Ideal under 200 bucks!

Examples:

1 - https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-M-2-X16...ng=UTF8&me=&qid=1561565875&sr=1-5

tsialex wrote around that these cards need to have Bifurcation(Who knows that bifurcation guy!) ;-)

2 - https://www.amazon.com/CREST-SI-PEX40129-Ports-Bifurcation-Controller/dp/B07HYZY7P2

Please tell me which one shall I but, from these or you might have a better or cheaper solution!


I also will need 2 or 4 NVMe Drives with the maximum speed possible, Maybe with 512mb each?...
I've seen these around:

Examples:

1 - https://www.hardwareschotte.de/preisvergleich/480GB-Corsair-Force-MP510-M-2-Ssd-p22114660

2 - https://www.amazon.de/Crucial-CT500...ters&sr=1-1-spons&creativeASIN=B01MTU75X4

3 - https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX50...sr=1-17-spons&keywords=Quad+NVMe+M.2+PCIe+x16


And the most important... "How da **** do I do this"? ;-)

I'm getting crazy around... too much information..!

I would very appreciate your help!!
You are using wrong terms, you need a switched card. No Mac Pro ever released supports bifurcation, only the future MP7,1 will (to be confirmed).

Forget about installing your main/boot disk in a array, Apple supported it with HFS+ and up to High Sierra. Not even Catalina supports it today. Buy a HighPoint SSD71xx card, or any of the others 4-blades card on the first post of the blade thread Blade SSDs - NVMe & AHCI, use one blade for boot/main disk and do a RAID array for data/scratch disk with the 3 others.

You can hack Mojave and install it to a RAID array, but updates won't work and you will need to clone your array to a non-RAIDed disk to do the updates. This is a lot of work and you will have an enormous point of failure.
 

LABANA

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Dec 10, 2015
24
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You are using wrong terms, you need a switched card. No Mac Pro ever released supports bifurcation, only the future MP7,1 will (to be confirmed).

Forget about installing your main/boot disk in a array, Apple supported it with HFS+ and up to High Sierra. Not even Catalina supports it today. Buy a HighPoint SSD71xx card, or any of the others 4-blades card on the first post of the blade thread Blade SSDs - NVMe & AHCI, use one blade for boot/main disk and do a RAID array for data/scratch disk with the 3 others.

You can hack Mojave and install it to a RAID array, but updates won't work and you will need to clone your array to a non-RAIDed disk to do the updates. This is a lot of work and you will have an enormous point of failure.
Hola Amigo!

Once Again Thanx Amigo!!... sorry about the wrong terms... I'm a Cuban musician... nothing to do with computers but hey!... trying to safe money and have good performance!... so please, be patient! ;-)

Would any of these do the Job!?

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/nas-das/zubehoer/qnap/pdp/3h12-02p/qnap-qm2-card-qm2-4p-284-quad-m-2-2280-pcie-ssd-erweiterungskarte.html

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/nas-das/zubehoer/qnap/pdp/3h12-02s/qnap-qm2-card-qm2-4p-342-quad-m-2-2280-pcie-ssd-erweiterungskarte.html

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/nas-das/zubehoer/qnap/pdp/3h12-02t/qnap-qm2-card-qm2-4p-384a-quad-m-2-2280-pcie-ssd-erweiterungskarte.html

The SYVA on your Link/Answer is only Dual, I would go right away for the 4th one, looking at the future...!

I will do as you said, 1 512Mbt card for the Mojave System and 3 1Tb on RAID array working!

What do you think?

Would be an Option to Build a simple 512GB line for the Mojave System on PCI No4, and on PCI No3 e dual 2.5 SSD controller on RAID array, with at least 3TB each?

Man!, I hope I didn't shot any stupidity now! ;-)
 

tsialex

macrumors 603
Jun 13, 2016
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Brazil
Hola Amigo!

Once Again Thanx Amigo!!... sorry about the wrong terms... I'm a Cuban musician... nothing to do with computers but hey!... trying to safe money and have good performance!... so please, be patient! ;-)

Would any of these do the Job!?

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/nas-das/zubehoer/qnap/pdp/3h12-02p/qnap-qm2-card-qm2-4p-284-quad-m-2-2280-pcie-ssd-erweiterungskarte.html

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/nas-das/zubehoer/qnap/pdp/3h12-02s/qnap-qm2-card-qm2-4p-342-quad-m-2-2280-pcie-ssd-erweiterungskarte.html

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/nas-das/zubehoer/qnap/pdp/3h12-02t/qnap-qm2-card-qm2-4p-384a-quad-m-2-2280-pcie-ssd-erweiterungskarte.html

The SYVA on your Link/Answer is only Dual, I would go right away for the 4th one, looking at the future...!

I will do as you said, 1 512Mbt card for the Mojave System and 3 1Tb on RAID array working!

What do you think?

Would be an Option to Build a simple 512GB line for the Mojave System on PCI No4, and on PCI No3 e dual 2.5 SSD controller on RAID array, with at least 3TB each?

Man!, I hope I didn't shot any stupidity now! ;-)
These links don’t even open here. Anyway, stick to the tested cards. Mac Pro is not a PC and even some switched cards don’t work with it - took a lot of time from a lot of people to test what works or not and make that first post. Again, stick to the first post of the blade thread.

Main/system/boot disk have to be out of any arrays. No problem with scratch/data arrays. I wouldn’t buy a SATA PCIe card nowadays, PCIe disks are practically the same price with 4 to 5 times the raw sequential throughput.
 
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handheldgames

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Hola Amigo!

Once Again Thanx Amigo!!... sorry about the wrong terms... I'm a Cuban musician... nothing to do with computers but hey!... trying to safe money and have good performance!... so please, be patient! ;-)

Would any of these do the Job!?

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/nas-das/zubehoer/qnap/pdp/3h12-02p/qnap-qm2-card-qm2-4p-284-quad-m-2-2280-pcie-ssd-erweiterungskarte.html

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/nas-das/zubehoer/qnap/pdp/3h12-02s/qnap-qm2-card-qm2-4p-342-quad-m-2-2280-pcie-ssd-erweiterungskarte.html

https://www.cyberport.de/pc-und-zubehoer/nas-das/zubehoer/qnap/pdp/3h12-02t/qnap-qm2-card-qm2-4p-384a-quad-m-2-2280-pcie-ssd-erweiterungskarte.html

The SYVA on your Link/Answer is only Dual, I would go right away for the 4th one, looking at the future...!

I will do as you said, 1 512Mbt card for the Mojave System and 3 1Tb on RAID array working!

What do you think?

Would be an Option to Build a simple 512GB line for the Mojave System on PCI No4, and on PCI No3 e dual 2.5 SSD controller on RAID array, with at least 3TB each?

Man!, I hope I didn't shot any stupidity now! ;-)
The SYBA adapter, and many others, are based on an Asmedia x8 PCIe PLX and has a max speed of ~3000 MB/S. Cost is about 200 USD.

The adapters from QNAP are also compatible with the mac pro. The PCIe 3.0 variant uses a x8 Broadcom PCIe PLX and has a max speed of ~3000 MB/s. there are 2 and 4 slot variants of these cards. QNAP also has PCIe 2.0 adapters that will limit the speed of PCIe 3.0 SSD's like the 970Pro. M.2 coolers would probably be needed with QNAP adapters.

Syba compared to Qnap.... Syba has a better design and better cooling. The 2 slot QNAP adapter I evaluated was definitely a step down from the syba where the integrated cooler was fairly ineffective... If you need a cheaper 4 slot solution, look for adapters based on the Asmedia chipset with 4 slots. there are a couple options available.

I've seen availability of the 2 slot lycom product that's based on the Asmedia chipset. This card has the potential as a good low-cost option. The only downside was that the re-seller is in Israel.

The fastest option in a cMP would be the highpoint ssd-7101a or any of it's successors... It all comes down to budget...
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LABANA

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Dec 10, 2015
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These links don’t even open here. Anyway, stick to the tested cards. Mac Pro is not a PC and even some switched cards don’t work with it - took a lot of time from a lot of people to test what works or not and make that first post. Again, stick to the first post of the blade thread.

Main/system/boot disk have to be out of any arrays. No problem with scratch/data arrays. I wouldn’t buy a SATA PCIe card nowadays, PCIe disks are practically the same price with 4 to 5 times the raw sequential throughput.
Got that... Loud and Clear!... Thanx so much!

Apreciate your help!
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The SYBA adapter, and many others, are based on an Asmedia x8 PCIe PLX and has a max speed of ~3000 MB/S. Cost is about 200 USD.

The adapters from QNAP are also compatible with the mac pro. The PCIe 3.0 variant uses a x8 Broadcom PCIe PLX and has a max speed of ~3000 MB/s. there are 2 and 4 slot variants of these cards. QNAP also has PCIe 2.0 adapters that will limit the speed of PCIe 3.0 SSD's like the 970Pro. M.2 coolers would probably be needed with QNAP adapters.

Syba compared to Qnap.... Syba has a better design and better cooling. The 2 slot QNAP adapter I evaluated was definitely a step down from the syba where the integrated cooler was fairly ineffective... If you need a cheaper 4 slot solution, look for adapters based on the Asmedia chipset with 4 slots. there are a couple options available.

I've seen availability of the 2 slot lycom product that's based on the Asmedia chipset. This card has the potential as a good low-cost option. The only downside was that the re-seller is in Israel.

The fastest option in a cMP would be the highpoint ssd-7101a or any of it's successors... It all comes down to budget...
.
Wow...NIce and clear answer Amigo!

Thanx a lot!