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Sparrow stopped being great for me shortly after it's been discontinued and became buggy with never versions of OS X. The default Mail.app is good but for the annoying bug where it keeps regularly redownloading hundreds or thousands of same emails. For that reason I switched to Airmail shortly after it was released, and it's been great. It is fairly cheap (@ $1.99), has a great interface, is fairly feature rich, and is constantly being updated with bug fixes, performance improvements, and new features. I highly recommend it.
 
I still wouldn't say mavericks particularly handles it 'the right way', although it does do it better than it did before in some ways as you mentioned. In mavericks it downloads multiple copies of messages that have multiple labels on them. Its smart enough to intelligently hide the copies, but it still takes up extra drive space. This is especially bad for gmail, since gmail encourages people to never delete mail, so most people have a *ton* of messages in all mail, so having to download all of all mail, and multiple copies of things in all mail is far from ideal.

The fact that it can archive properly now is good though, but I still don't like using mail.app with gmail. the problems are generally more to do with gmail's weird non-standard imap implementation than mail itself though, and mail.app isn't the only app that has annoying issues/quirks with gmail (most do in my experience), which is why I ended up switching away from gmail. Gmail typically only works 100% properly with clients designed especially for gmail. I prefer using a mail service that uses a standard imap implementation, and therefore works with no issues and quirks in many different mail clients :)

For webmail gmail is awesome, but for IMAP its usually just annoying.

Well I agree with you there. I stopped using Gmail as well. It just doesn't play nice with IMAP. And until Google stops using closed, proprietary stuff in Gmail and switches to an open standard like iCloud is using, I won't be switching back.

iCloud + Mail.app is the cleanest, most hassle free email solution out there right now. I still have to use Outlook.com for my own domain names though. If Apple ever gives iCloud the ability to let us use our own domains, I'll switch them over too.
 
Do not trust anybody who dares to say that airmail is better than Sparrow...

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Is sparrow discontinued; yes. Does it have bugs; no. Is it better than any other mail app ever in the history of software; yes. Does it runs in mavericks perfectly; yes. It is so ****ing amazing that google bought it; yes. All other email apps are shhiit in comparison; hell yes!!
 
Here's another reason why it may be best to avoid Mac Mail for now:

http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/10/26/mac-os-10-9-infinity-times-your-spam/

(see under "Millions of Messages"). Apparently it has a severe bug that causes it to constantly copy/delete mails in the junk folder.

I use fastmail, and after setting it up in mail.app I did notice the missing archive folder too. I got it to appear and work correctly though after adding the archive button to the mail.app toolbar and then archiving a message. after doing that the archive folder immediately appeared, and when I checked the fastmail webmail the archived message was in the archive folder as expected. looks like a bug in mail.app where the folder sometimes doesn't appear on a newly added account until you archive a message first.

The junk issue does look troubling, looks like mail needs to have more QA before they release...
 
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Why not just goto gmail.com and check? Why use an app. Everything stays on the web then. No space wasted.
 
I also like thunderbird. But just discovered this. It sits in your menu bar and notifies you when you have new mail.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/id422286396?mt=12

Works great and you can stretch the windows pretty big almost full screen. You can replay to mail also. I think its webbing the mail and nothing is being downloaded but I might be wrong. Not sure. Try it and let me kinow what yo think.
 
Why not just goto gmail.com and check? Why use an app. Everything stays on the web then. No space wasted.

Notifications. I enabled desktop notifications but just isn't the same.

I didn't like Thunderbird.
 
No one knows about local storage space and Airmail??

It does contain a cache database, but it is significantly smaller than Mail. I also think it only loads something into that cache database when you open a message; it does not download it by default.

Airmail rocks btw, much better than Mail. I would prefer Mail though, because of the MailHub and gpg plugins.
 
Airmail has problems of its own

I've been trying Airmail this week and it has problems of its own. It was not refreshing the mailbox (not downloading new messages) and it's Address Book is non-functional (won't fill in a TO: address when you type a name, can't edit, can't import Contacts).

I'm still having problems with new Gmail being marked as Read and disappearing from my Unread "smart mailbox" before I've ever seen it in Mac Mail.

Looks like Macs just don't have a decent email program... :-(

Wm
 
I've been trying Airmail this week and it has problems of its own. It was not refreshing the mailbox (not downloading new messages) and it's Address Book is non-functional (won't fill in a TO: address when you type a name, can't edit, can't import Contacts).

I'm still having problems with new Gmail being marked as Read and disappearing from my Unread "smart mailbox" before I've ever seen it in Mac Mail.

Looks like Macs just don't have a decent email program... :-(

Wm

Try MailTab for Gmail in app store.

Or try some of these.

http://www.macworld.com/article/2031223/review-roundup-mac-email-clients.html

I installed inky last night and its great.
 
Still on the hunt :-(.

Inky I don't like. Where are they storing the mail? On their own cloud? Or on the IMAP servers? I was confused by the write up.

Mel
 
Here's another reason why it may be best to avoid Mac Mail for now:

http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/10/26/mac-os-10-9-infinity-times-your-spam/

(see under "Millions of Messages"). Apparently it has a severe bug that causes it to constantly copy/delete mails in the junk folder.

This turned out to NOT be an apple mail issue, the user has a custom applescript that caused it: http://blog.fastmail.fm/2013/10/29/apple-mail-bug-turns-out-to-be-user-script-after-all/

hmmmm......I started seeing this happen with Mail starting at the same time that Mavericks was released.......and I haven't upgraded to Mavericks yet! :eek:
 
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Basically, in Mountain Lion there was an option to not download mail locally to your machine. In Mavericks, it wants to download ALL your mail to your machine. Meaning, I will lose about 10 - 20 gigs because of my work gmail and my home gmail. I'm only on a 128GB SSD so I can't afford to lose space due to email.
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Have you thought about the fact that maybe you're keeping too much old mail?
 
Still on the hunt :-(.

Inky I don't like. Where are they storing the mail? On their own cloud? Or on the IMAP servers? I was confused by the write up.

Mel

Inky is safe don't worry.

http://www.macworld.com/article/2026667/mac-gems-inky-offers-a-fresh-human-take-on-email.html

An email client that processes your mail through a third-party cloud service could understandably raise privacy concerns. The company takes pains, on its website, to dispel such worries. According to Arcode, Inky lets your computer connect to your email provider(s) and store messages—Inky doesn’t store or transmit your mail through the Arcode servers. It does hold your email accounts’ details and passwords, but they’re stored encrypted, with the only key being your Inky account password. Arcode says that as a result, none of its employees could ever gain access to your email.
 
So if I didn't use labels in GMail I'm pretty good to go with Mavericks mail app? I have 5 gmail accounts and 2 with my domain and a lone .ME account still active.

Thanks,
 
I was going to try AirMail but decided I'll give Mail Pilot a try. I like that Mail Pilot is built for users who need to manage their inbox to enhance overall productivity. It does not appear to work with Reminders/Calendar in the beta phase. If they add those features upon the public release, it may a winner.
 
I'm still on Sparrow, still great :)

agree Sparrow is a very light mail application (i use it on my MacBook Air)
but you can not move messages between accounts, and it has some other things i'm missing wich just come along with the original mail.app

i also have basically always issues with mail and email is one of the things i use basically all day.

still have not found anything better.

i read about Pilot Mail to be avaiable for OSX now .. but i spend too much money for nothing on "try" some app store apps which turned out to be just junk ..
 
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