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Hello
This year I will upgrade to a 65-75 inch with HDMI 2.1, 120Hz refresh rate, HDR10 and Dolby Vision.

My current 49' TV was purchased in December 2015 and was one of the very last dumb 4K TVs. The viewing angles, response rate, backligt, colours and everything has been top notch. I'm genuinely sad to replace it but will buy the next generation Playstation and Xbox and want HDR/DolbyVision.

Because my current TV is dumb and I have used Apple TV4 as the brains, I'm oblivion to the litany of issues that smart TV owners suffer. This ranges from input lag and lackluster HDR with Apple TV to random restarts, slow boot-up and forced firmware updates.

For you whom have a HDR/DolbyVision TV with ATV4K, which model of TV do you have and what issues should I be aware of?
 

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Hello
This year I will upgrade to a 65-75 inch with HDMI 2.1, 120Hz refresh rate, HDR10 and Dolby Vision.

My current 49' TV was purchased in December 2015 and was one of the very last dumb 4K TVs. The viewing angles, response rate, backligt, colours and everything has been top notch. I'm genuinely sad to replace it but will buy the next generation Playstation and Xbox and want HDR/DolbyVision.

Because my current TV is dumb and I have used Apple TV4 as the brains, I'm oblivion to the litany of issues that smart TV owners suffer. This ranges from input lag and lackluster HDR with Apple TV to random restarts, slow boot-up and forced firmware updates.

For you whom have a HDR/DolbyVision TV with ATV4K, which model of TV do you have and what issues should I be aware of?
I have an LG C9. No real issues, though it took a couple days of mucking with Byzantine menus to get the soap opera turned off for all content, and to turn off as many of the “smart” features as I could (so it stops popping up dialogs all the time).

Picture quality is amazing.
 
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What is your current TV?

While LG OLED is an obvious choice, its permanent burn in risk make it less ideal for heavily gaming focused TV.

If you can, I would advise waiting a bit for 2020 lineup, such as Sony X900H.
 
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I have an LG C9.
Does Dolby Vision and HDR10 from the Apple TV look great, saturated or required tweaking?

What is your current TV?

While LG OLED is an obvious choice, its permanent burn in risk make it less ideal for heavily gaming focused TV.

If you can, I would advise waiting a bit for 2020 lineup, such as Sony X900H.
I have an LG 49UF675V 49. As much as I love OLED, burn-in genuinely concerns me as I don't want to be anxious anytime a static image is displayed on the screen whether it's someone watching sports, me watching random stuff or the kids binging on animated programs.

I will take a look at the Sony X900H. Hopefully Sony TV's no longer suffer from permanent software bugs like 3-4 years ago.
 
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Does Dolby Vision and HDR10 from the Apple TV look great, saturated or required tweaking?


I have an LG 49UF675V 49. As much as I love OLED, burn-in genuinely concerns me as I don't want to be anxious anytime a static image is displayed on the screen whether it's someone watching sports, me watching random stuff or the kids binging on animated programs.

I will take a look at the Sony X900H. Hopefully Sony TV's no longer suffer from permanent software bugs like 3-4 years ago.

I didn’t have to do any tweaking with respect to colors. Had a professional home theater installer, and no calibration was required. The tweaking I had to do was to turn off motion interpolation and make sure it stayed locked off regardless of what picture mode the Apple TV was sending (since I have it set to vary by content).
 
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Does Dolby Vision and HDR10 from the Apple TV look great, saturated or required tweaking?


I have an LG 49UF675V 49. As much as I love OLED, burn-in genuinely concerns me as I don't want to be anxious anytime a static image is displayed on the screen whether it's someone watching sports, me watching random stuff or the kids binging on animated programs.

I will take a look at the Sony X900H. Hopefully Sony TV's no longer suffer from permanent software bugs like 3-4 years ago.
I have LG C8, LG B9 (HDMI 2.1), and Sony X950G.

Since your existing TV is LCD, I think Sony X900H is a good bet (it is due in few months, but it won't be heavily discounted until October/November when new generation of Xbox and PS are expected to launch).

Sony's X9x0 series are known for great accuracy (see Rting's pre calibration measurements). I can attest that X950G looked great out of the box, requiring almost no calibration (I have calibration hardware and apps). Sony X900H should be similarly accurate.

LG C9 and B8 required calibration to look their best (I used CalMan).

It's worth nothing that Sony only commited to offering HDMI 2.1 via software update, and only for 1 of the HDMI ports (see FlatPanelsHD article for more details).

I heard that Samsung is joining LG and Sony in offering HDMI 2.1 in some of their 2020 TV models. But they are also stubbornly NOT supporting Dolby Vision, in favor of their own creation, more obscure HDR10+.
 
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Since your existing TV is LCD, I think Sony X900H is a good bet (it is due in few months, but it won't be heavily discounted until October/November when new generation of Xbox and PS are expected to launch).

I intend to buy my TV during black Friday but am starting my research early so that I can buy a TV with full confidence with a deal on a new one or a demo unit crops up.

Another consideration that I just thought of is that my current sound projector(Yamaha YSP 2500) cannot passthrough 4K at 120fps. Therefore I should add HDMI eARC as a requirement in addition to:

HDMI 2.1 x 2 ports
HDR10
Dolby Vision
120Hz display
Google Assistant

Have I missed anything?
 
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LG B7 OLED with Apple TV 4K. Absolute perfection. We certainly looked long and hard and followed the market for years. I wanted OLED the minute that I saw a LG 1080p OLED TV wayyyyyy back in 2014.

I wouldn't allow an Android in my house plus I've never liked SONY - terrible / arrogant customer service and poor longevity, Panasonic has become very boring & last century, Samsung I wouldn't allow in my house therefore it left only LG. (Yes I really wanted an Apple TV but it'll never happen and for good reason in reality - TV has really become a throw away product).

It was essential that the TV had Dolby Vision as we've used Apple TV for 100% EVERYTHING since March 2012 and we all buy our film from iTunes who of course have the best selection of Dolby Vision 4K film. The LG ticked all of the boxes plus for a TV the design is pleasant - plasticky compared to a beautiful Apple product of course. But I guess a TV is not really a classy product, it's more of a screen - hardly exciting or life changing.

Performance wise, it's great. I'm an absolute perfectionist with everything that I do in life and the picture from LG OLED TVs is outstanding.

My recommendation would be the new LG CX in April of this year. It'll come in 48, 55, 65 and 77. It's very possible that i'll be going for the 48" CX as I'm wanting a smaller TV (I feel that I can hide it better with art etc next to it) - I'm one of the few who can't accept large TVs in a lounge and the 55" does upset me when it's just switched on which to be honest in 23 hours of the day :)
 
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As stated earlier, go to RTINGS. Look at HDR peak brightness. If the tv has an HDR peak brightness less than 600 nits, it's worthless watching HDR on it as it doesn't even meet the minimum standard for HDR. If looking to buy an LCD, get one that can at least hit 1000 nits.
 
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LG B7 OLED with Apple TV 4K. Absolute perfection. We certainly looked long and hard and followed the market for years. I wanted OLED the minute that I saw a LG 1080p OLED TV wayyyyyy back in 2014.
Another vote for an OLED LG TV. I poped to Currys this morning to have yet another look at TVs. My dilemma is quantity vs quality.

OLED looks amazing and enhances any content whether it's in just 4k or even HD. However OLED is still very expensive. A 65 inch LG OLED is £1,700 but could be found for £1,299 refurbished or as a demo unit.

Meanwhile, LCD TV have grown in size and become cheaper. There are now 70-75 inch TVs for £700-900 which was unimaginable 5-6 years ago when those viewing sizes would cost £10-20k or be limited to projectors. Although 65 inches isn't small, 75-80 looks noticeably bigger.

Granted, the panels of some of those TV's aren't amazing but there are decent 75 inch TVs for £1,000-1,200.

My concern is that, if I bought a 65 inch OLED, I would regret not buying a larger TV for a more immerse cinematic experience.

Current TV size: 49inch 4k
Viewing Distance(On cabinet): 3.4m/11.15ft

Future TV size: 65-75 inch 4k HDR
Viewing distance(Wall mounted): 3.6m/11,8ft



As stated earlier, go to RTINGS. Look at HDR peak brightness. If the tv has an HDR peak brightness less than 600 nits, it's worthless watching HDR on it as it doesn't even meet the minimum standard for HDR. If looking to buy an LCD, get one that can at least hit 1000 nits.

This is the type of precise useful information I was seeking. I want to avoid buying a TV with "fake" HDR/DolbyVision
 
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Another vote for an OLED LG TV. I poped to Currys this morning to have yet another look at TVs. My dilemma is quantity vs quality.

OLED looks amazing and enhances any content whether it's in just 4k or even HD. However OLED is still very expensive. A 65 inch LG OLED is £1,700 but could be found for £1,299 refurbished or as a demo unit.

Meanwhile, LCD TV have grown in size and become cheaper. There are now 70-75 inch TVs for £700-900 which was unimaginable 5-6 years ago when those viewing sizes would cost £10-20k or be limited to projectors. Although 65 inches isn't small, 75-80 looks noticeably bigger.

Granted, the panels of some of those TV's aren't amazing but there are decent 75 inch TVs for £1,000-1,200.

My concern is that, if I bought a 65 inch OLED, I would regret not buying a larger TV for a more immerse cinematic experience.

Current TV size: 49inch 4k
Viewing Distance(On cabinet): 3.4m/11.15ft

Future TV size: 65-75 inch 4k HDR
Viewing distance(Wall mounted): 3.6m/11,8ft





This is the type of precise useful information I was seeking. I want to avoid buying a TV with "fake" HDR/DolbyVision

No No No No No! I wouldn't touch LCD for a TV. FlatPanels aren't convinced that they are suitable for HDR / Dolby Vision. STAY WELL CLEAR OF LCD - it's last century's tech!!!!!! PLUS you really want your perfect iTunes 4K Dolby Vision film to look their very best.

Can you not go for a 55"??? Then you are looking at £1200.
Call in to your Richer Sounds and try to negotiate a deal - maybe 10% off? I'd say that they are the best people in the UK to deal with as their staff are pure perfection along with superb after sales service. They may even let you try a 55" and 65" OLED in your house!

Having said that, I saw the 65" LG OLED in Paris last weekend and if you've got the space - think open plan apartment/loft then it is insane!

One thing though is the brand new LG TV OLED range is due in April - however it's usually autumn when the prices drop - in the UK LG have 'inflated' TV prices for the first few months. As a marketer, it's super dishonest and does nothing to a brand. I really don't know why a brand does this.

Don't forget, you get what you pay for - buy a really nice OLED and the 5-6 years that you own it, every time you use it, it will be a beautiful user experience - just like Apple's ethos! (there's a reason why Apple have the LG OLED TVs connected to their Apple TV 4K in the larger Apple Stores).

I really do not think that there is any TV that comes as close as the LG OLED range - performance, reliability & price.
Don't buy a cheap LCD - you'll regret it and you'll waste your money. Remember this has to last you several years. Life is short. Get the most from it. Never ever compromise on anything - it's an insult to you!
 
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No No No No No! I wouldn't touch LCD for a TV. FlatPanels aren't convinced that they are suitable for HDR / Dolby Vision. STAY WELL CLEAR OF LCD - it's last century's tech!!!!!! PLUS you really want your perfect iTunes 4K Dolby Vision film to look their very best.

Can you not go for a 55"??? Then you are looking at £1200.
Call in to your Richer Sounds and try to negotiate a deal - maybe 10% off? I'd say that they are the best people in the UK to deal with as their staff are pure perfection along with superb after sales service. They may even let you try a 55" and 65" OLED in your house!

Having said that, I saw the 65" LG OLED in Paris last weekend and if you've got the space - think open plan apartment/loft then it is insane!

One thing though is the brand new LG TV OLED range is due in April - however it's usually autumn when the prices drop - in the UK LG have 'inflated' TV prices for the first few months. As a marketer, it's super dishonest and does nothing to a brand. I really don't know why a brand does this.

Don't forget, you get what you pay for - buy a really nice OLED and the 5-6 years that you own it, every time you use it, it will be a beautiful user experience - just like Apple's ethos! (there's a reason why Apple have the LG OLED TVs connected to their Apple TV 4K in the larger Apple Stores).

I really do not think that there is any TV that comes as close as the LG OLED range - performance, reliability & price.
Don't buy a cheap LCD - you'll regret it and you'll waste your money. Remember this has to last you several years. Life is short. Get the most from it. Never ever compromise on anything - it's an insult to you!
The QLED TVs I saw in the store was a mixture of some with mediocre black levels while the QLED TVs what had good panels were so expensive that you might as well buy OLED. I think black light bleed becomes a bigger problem as you climb the size hierarchy.

I just found out a game changing feature about 2019 and 2020 LG OLEDs. They support Nvidia g-Sync which is variable refresh rate that result in buttery smooth gaming without tearing or stutter. The next gen Playstation, xbox and apple tv will likely support variable refresh rate.

55 inches is a bit too close to my current size. I will likely buy a 65 inch during black Friday this year. I might stretch to 77 inches if they come to below £2,000 from their current £5-6k range.
 
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The QLED TVs I saw in the store was a mixture of some with mediocre black levels while the QLED TVs what had good panels were so expensive that you might as well buy OLED. I think black light bleed becomes a bigger problem as you climb the size hierarchy.

I just found out a game changing feature about 2019 and 2020 LG OLEDs. They support Nvidia g-Sync which is variable refresh rate that result in buttery smooth gaming without tearing or stutter. The next gen Playstation, xbox and apple tv will likely support variable refresh rate.

55 inches is a bit too close to my current size. I will likely buy a 65 inch during black Friday this year. I might stretch to 77 inches if they come to below £2,000 from their current £5-6k range.

Yes very very exciting which is why i'm DESPERATE for Apple to release the Apple TV 4K with HDMI 2.1!!! Absolute perfection of frame rate switching which for internet / streaming based is essential when we have 23.976, 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60 fps AND 120 fps :) :) :)

This is why you must not skip on your purchase as we are in very exciting times and LG seem to be the most forward in including everything essential both now and over the next say two years in their OLED range. IMO LG OLED and Apple TV 4K are the perfect combo.

In regards to black on LCD, in 2006 I had a BANG&OLUFSEN LCD TV one of the first ones and it was unable to display black because no doubt of the flurescent back light. The film credits were a washed out light to mid grey. It was actually very upsetting as its picture quality was a grainy mess and a huge step backwards.

I hope that you enjoy shopping for your new TV. Hopefully Apple will release an updated Apple TV 4K with HDMI 2.1 over the coming weeks - i'll be buying one and surprising another friend of mine with the 64GB model that I currently have :) Apple TV - enjoy and then pass it on :)

PS the 48" LG OLED is actually being marketed as a gamers / gaming TV!!!
 
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What is your current TV?

While LG OLED is an obvious choice, its permanent burn in risk make it less ideal for heavily gaming focused TV.

If you can, I would advise waiting a bit for 2020 lineup, such as Sony X900H.
That’s actually not true about gaming.


I can’t understand how anyone can spend money on an LCD screen after seeing one next to an OLED. The LCD looks just plain washed out in comparison.
 
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That’s actually not true about gaming.


I can’t understand how anyone can spend money on an LCD screen after seeing one next to an OLED. The LCD looks just plain washed out in comparison.

AGREE 100%

I saw this in 2014 with the new LG 1080p OLED next to Samsung's top of the line TV at the time. The Samsung looked absolutely washed out in comparison. It was there and then that I knew OLED was perfect for large displays (and small too, on my iPhone it's absolutely stunning!!!!!).
 
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I love my Panasonic OLED, but this year’s models are missing a lot of new features that LG are getting.

Mini LED sets with thousands of dimming zones are appearing this year. I would at least look at one when they are in the shops as you will be doing a lot of gaming.
 
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I can’t understand how anyone can spend money on an LCD screen after seeing one next to an OLED.

Because size matters. A 55 inch OLED cost as much as a 77 inch LCD TV. Yes the OLED has deeper blacks but the larger LCD makes TV watching much more cinematic.

A 77 inch OLED cost 4 times as much as an equivalent sized LCD. Yes some LCDs look washed out but there are plenty that are good enough. It’s a question of what will make the greatest meaningful difference, deeper blacks or 83% greater viewing area.

Where the LG OLEDs stand out isn’t just the black levels but the specs. Few TVs have 100hz refresh rate, Dolby vision, HDR10 and G-Sync. Hopefully Sony and Samsung will bridge this gap with their 2020 TVs.
 
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Just be warned, while OLED has awesome blacks they do have downsides like Terrible handling of 24p content due to the near instant pixel response time which causes stuttering, ABL issues (light limiting) and even the latest LG C9 is still susceptible to burn-in especially if you use high brightness levels.

This is coming from someone who REALLY wanted an OLED tv but ive done my research and they are not perfect by any means.
 
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Just be warned, while OLED has awesome blacks they do have downsides like Terrible handling of 24p content due to the near instant pixel response time which causes stuttering, ABL issues (light limiting) and even the latest LG C9 is still susceptible to burn-in especially if you use high brightness levels.

This is coming from someone who REALLY wanted an OLED tv but ive done my research and they are not perfect by any means.
No TV is perfect. There is always a compromise whether it's specs, connectivity, viewing angles, burn-in risk, size or price.
 
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No TV is perfect. There is always a compromise whether it's specs, connectivity, viewing angles, burn-in risk, size or price.
Absolutely, the Samsung QLEDs have blooming issues which is equally anoyying. Personally I want an OLED I'm just waiting for the technology to mature before I lay down my hard earned cash.
 
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I'd say the LG OLED's are pretty perfect! We've had the B7 for 2.5 years now and it handles 23.976 fps film from Apple TV 4K absolutely perfect! I spot frame judder within a milli second and the B7 with ATV 4K are super.
They are as good as you can get. There's not much choice LG, SONY with non existent customer service, poor dolby vision implementation and Android, Samsung who simply churn out anything for their victims, Panasonic who haven't implemented HDMI 2.1 or the cheaper brands.

My advice, save up an extra month or two's salary and go for an LG OLED and simply enjoy what you have. That's what we did and I can forget about it and move on with the exciting things in life like travel, gym, friends, track running and the great outdoors!
 
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Just be warned, while OLED has awesome blacks they do have downsides like Terrible handling of 24p content due to the near instant pixel response time which causes stuttering, ABL issues (light limiting) and even the latest LG C9 is still susceptible to burn-in especially if you use high brightness levels.

This is coming from someone who REALLY wanted an OLED tv but ive done my research and they are not perfect by any means.
Yeah no dude. Wrong on all counts. You sound like you decided to believe the fear that’s spread throughout the internet. Which is unfortunate.

I have a C9 and it handles all frame rates beautifully with zero stutter. You’re claim stating otherwise sounds like you don’t own the TV. And that’s with all of the processing turned off. Although burn-in is possible, it’s a defect of the panel and will rear its head early in its life. There is more than enough testing that can be found on YouTube and all over the internet to show the C8 and C9 do not have a burn in problem. With HEAVY gaming. And LG DOES cover burn in with the factory warranty now. Yes there was an issue in the early generations but I follow a forum and have read over 13,000 posts talking about the C9 alone, included with quite a few professional calibrators who post regularly. There is NOT a burn in problem.

You can believe the fear in life or make an informed decision on you’re own. You’re choice. Maybe head to a forum that has better information than this one.. (this is not directed to torana355, but anyone who’s looking at OLED)

Its simple. A current gen OLED tv is revolutionary and if you go LCD, you’re missing out. Period.
 
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Yeah no dude. Wrong on all counts. You sound like you decided to believe the fear that’s spread throughout the internet. Which is unfortunate.

I have a C9 and it handles all frame rates beautifully with zero stutter. You’re claim stating otherwise sounds like you don’t own the TV. And that’s with all of the processing turned off. Although burn-in is possible, it’s a defect of the panel and will rear its head early in its life. There is more than enough testing that can be found on YouTube and all over the internet to show the C8 and C9 do not have a burn in problem. With HEAVY gaming. And LG DOES cover burn in with the factory warranty now. Yes there was an issue in the early generations but I follow a forum and have read over 13,000 posts talking about the C9 alone, included with quite a few professional calibrators who post regularly. There is NOT a burn in problem.

You can believe the fear in life or make an informed decision on you’re own. You’re choice. Maybe head to a forum that has better information than this one.. (this is not directed to torana355, but anyone who’s looking at OLED)

Its simple. A current gen OLED tv is revolutionary and if you go LCD, you’re missing out. Period.

No im sorry but you need to get educated, ALL OLEDS stutter due to the instant response time on 24p content. Ive demoed the LG C9 multiple times and it stutters. Some people are less sensitive than others to seeing it but its is certainly there. Burn In is still a thing even on the C9 however it is less likely than older models, keeping it on low brightness can help avoid it.

Feel free to check out and look at the stutter score and the below links showing discssion on the subject https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled
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https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED/comments/dmhty0
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED/comments/8foms9
 
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