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My statement is entirely correct. While Mac OS X is based on open source software, OS X itself is neither free nor open source.
As I've already explained it is not correct. Period. By your logic Linux something similar applies to Linux: it may be based upon open source but it can also contain closed source modules and thus is neither free nor open source. Silliness.
 
As I've already explained it is not correct. Period. By your logic Linux something similar applies to Linux: it may be based upon open source but it can also contain closed source modules and thus is neither free nor open source. Silliness.
First, OS X is not free, unless it's pirated. That is obvious to anyone who can read.

Second, OS X is based on and contains components which are open source software, but it is not entirely open source. There are proprietary components which are not open source.

Apple - Open Source
Major components of Mac OS X, including the UNIX core, are made available under Apple’s Open Source license, allowing developers and students to view source code, learn from it and submit suggestions and modifications.

OS X
Source model: Closed source (with open source components)

7 years ago: Apple closes down OS X - Mac - Macworld UK
 
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Very true. Being based on Open Source doesn't mean the whole thing is open source. OSX is proprietary. It does contain open source components, but that doesn't make the OS itself open source nor does it change the commercial nature of the operating system (which is totally restricted).

The agreement that OSX is open source was argued as a defense for Psystar and hackintoshing in general. People said that Psystar was perfectly legal in what they were doing because OSx was open source. It was an argument that was debunked long ago.
 
First, OS X is not free, unless it's pirated. That is obvious to anyone who can read.
That entirely depends on whether you mean free as in free beer or as in free speech. The word has several meanings thus you can't draw a conclusion like that, especially when it comes to software.

Second, OS X is based on and contains components which are open source software, but it is not entirely open source. There are proprietary components which are not open source.
Exactly. Nearly all operating systems have a mix of open source and closed source. In this case your point is completely moot because being open source or closed source doesn't influence anything in being able to write NTFS or not. In this case it's the open source part of OS X that matters because that's where the NTFS support is (you keep ignoring this part). It's not in the closed source parts. Another reason why the "but Linux is open source!" reason you brought up is meaningless.

7 years ago OS X wasn't even UNIX. In other words: in that 7 year period things have changed thus that article is quite useless to bring up now.


Very true. Being based on Open Source doesn't mean the whole thing is open source.
Exactly. In certain cases Linux is proprietary as well which the GPL even allows.
 
That entirely depends on whether you mean free as in free beer or as in free speech. The word has several meanings thus you can't draw a conclusion like that, especially when it comes to software....
Obviously you're grasping at straws here. It's pointless to continue, as you appear to have your mind made up, despite the facts. Everyone knows OS X is not free or open-source... except you. Believe what you want. I honestly don't care. You've derailed this thread enough.
 
Stay away from tuxera!!!!!!! it takes resources, like pumping the cpu temperatura by 15ºC just working as a background process!!!

Tuxera sucks big time!!
 
Based on my experience using several options, I find Paragon NTFS to be the best performance.
 
Stay away from tuxera!!!!!!! it takes resources, like pumping the cpu temperatura by 15ºC just working as a background process!!!

Tuxera sucks big time!!

What do you base this on?
Cause i do not see a change of 15ºC with or without it.
my CPU or RAM usage have not changed either.
How long ago were it that you had this problem or have you just heard about it?
 
Tuxera worked perfectly in the past. With mountain lion it just wasnt working properly, unfortunately.
 
i see, yea Linux doesn't read EXfat. but windows does. hmmm i guess you have to use an app.

all of us should as Apple nicely about accepting NTFS. sometimes i think apple does all this stuff just to be "different". grrrrrr

With the install of a library, Linux reads EXFat easily. In Ubuntu is REAL easy. Open a terminal and do the following:

Code:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:relan/exfat
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install fuse-exfat exfat-utils

Boom, you're now reading and writing EXFat.

With this being said, you still cannot create EXFat partitions in GParted, but read/write is now available.

You can now read/write to:

EXT 2/3/4
NTFS
FAT 16/32
EXFat
 
With the install of a library, Linux reads EXFat easily. In Ubuntu is REAL easy. Open a terminal and do the following:

Code:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:relan/exfat
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install fuse-exfat exfat-utils

Boom, you're now reading and writing EXFat.

With this being said, you still cannot create EXFat partitions in GParted, but read/write is now available.

You can now read/write to:

EXT 2/3/4
NTFS
FAT 16/32
EXFat
Is this a good option? No issues? Cause it's the first time I'm hearing about this and I'd much prefer this solution to be running an app in the background just to read/write to NTFS.
 
I use Tuxera on 10.8.3 and it's just seamless for me.
No problems whatsoever. I haven'r tried paragon.
 
Is this a good option? No issues? Cause it's the first time I'm hearing about this and I'd much prefer this solution to be running an app in the background just to read/write to NTFS.

I've been using these repositories for some time with no issue.

Most Linux distros read/write NTFS OOB.
 
well

i'm under 10.8.3
and also having problems with tuxera

every time mds service and mdworker start a routine, tuxera goes crazy and freeze my computer for some seconds, this is VERY annoying because happens very often

cpu usage go high in all cores
they state this is an apple "bug" and omit or refuse to fix it

i can't full disable spotlight because i use this, and put ntfs drives in privacy settings is a no go because don't work in mountain lion.

disable tuxera settings for some drives is also useless
 
well

i'm under 10.8.3
and also having problems with tuxera

every time mds service and mdworker start a routine, tuxera goes crazy and freeze my computer for some seconds, this is VERY annoying because happens very often

cpu usage go high in all cores
they state this is an apple "bug" and omit or refuse to fix it

i can't full disable spotlight because i use this, and put ntfs drives in privacy settings is a no go because don't work in mountain lion.

disable tuxera settings for some drives is also useless

That same thing happened to me. Cpu temp went 15-20 °C with tuxera. I switched to Paragon NTFS and all works perfectly now. Much better app. You can also activata drives independently.
 
That same thing happened to me. Cpu temp went 15-20 °C with tuxera. I switched to Paragon NTFS and all works perfectly now. Much better app. You can also activata drives independently.

Just bought this today too, it's cheap (15 bucks with 20% off cupon)
Definitely the best osx ntfs solution

No more beach balls due mds going crazy with tuxera, i will never more purchase tuxera products, so buggy

It's also a shame apple can't give us for free a simple solution, paying 3rd services to have this is a bit unconfortable, since they should integrate this as default.. Anyways, i hope i can carry my license to 10.9 :)
 
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It's also a shame apple can't give us for free a simple solution, paying 3rd services to have this is a bit unconfortable, since they should integrate this as default.. Anyways, i hope i can carry my license to 10.9 :)
Why should Apple put a good third party developer out of business?
 
Why should Apple put a good third party developer out of business?

I think its more along the lines that apple's operating system would be best suited to have the proper tools to interact within today's infrastructure which includes reading/writing NTFS and ext4 volumes.

Apple has added features previously provided by others, its not apple's business plan to stop extending and developing OSX because it may hurt some developers but rather they should provide an operating system with features that will benefit users.
 
I think its more along the lines that apple's operating system would be best suited to have the proper tools to interact within today's infrastructure which includes reading/writing NTFS and ext4 volumes.

Apple has added features previously provided by others, its not apple's business plan to stop extending and developing OSX because it may hurt some developers but rather they should provide an operating system with features that will benefit users.

You are right, but i think it's extremely clearthat apple doesn't give a **** about your corcerns or mines. Theywill just bring a couple features from ios and that's it... apple is going down down down...
 
Unfortunately, they haven't. Remember that NTFS is a proprietary Microsoft file system, so it's not unusual that it isn't natively fully compatible with OS X. In the same way HFS+ is a proprietary Apple file system that isn't compatible natively with Windows.

Don't agree with that. If Paragon can do it, why Apple not? NTFS structures and rules are clear and public, there is no technical reason for an Apple development team to find the problem and fix it. They (Apple) simply don't want. They want to force people to choose, and in our case at home, the solution is simple: We'll never buy Apple again, cause the full compatibility is a need for us. And with the prices that Apple cost, I don't find any reason to need to pay for a basic thing like this.
 
Don't Use the native Mac Solution

There used to be a terminal "hack", ok, command line hehe

BUt what it would do is enable write mode/permission for the finder with NTFS volumes, I am sure if you google it you can find it.

EOL

Yes, you can unlock a nativ MacOS feature within the terminal - But don't!
I have tried it, it's buggy. When I used it, all my data disappeared from the NTFS drive.
Paragon NTFS is ridiculously expensive for what it does, but that's the way to go.
 
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