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You don't mention explicitly whether the drive spins down after a short period of non-use like it should. Do we assume that it does?
I knew I'd missed something important out! Yes, it does spin down correctly. It took me ages to find out because I had to wait until all the initial backups had done... But once they were done I turned off all machines but one, set it to backup in 120 seconds and went to stand by the TC to make sure I could hear the difference. Sure enough, it was practically silent at first, then once the backup started, I heard a small reassuring "whizzzzzzz" sound as the drive powered up. And it's practically silent again between backups, so I'd say that's a big "tick". :)

I guess that gives us a positive data point for the Samsung EcoGreen HD103SI 1TB as a Time Capsule replacement drive.
Yep... I'd deduce from this that the Samsung EcoGreen drives are all positive... I got the wrong drive and it still worked properly (phew). :)
 
Been meaning to come back on here and just provide a little update...

For the first 3-4 weeks, there were times where Time Machine on some machines reported a "Backup Failed" and the TC needed a reboot before it would backup to them again. This appears to have corrected itself, but I'm keeping an eye on it.

Another couple of things... Although I haven't checked the power usage now I've changed the drive, the TC still runs hot, probably just as hot as it did when it had the old drive in it. So I can't see any difference here like others have reported.

And one last (small) thing, although the drive no long makes an obvious humming noise as it spins, the clicks and clunks of the new drive are very obvious... probably about as loud as the hum was but *only when you hear them*, so still much quieter overall.
 
Interesting that it looks like Apple is using a WD20EARS in the new 2TB Time Capsule according to this article on Cnet:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...ars-up-time-capsule-server-grade-controversy/

Of course it's a little different in some way probably from the drive I got from Amazon.

Anyhow... I've got a 1st generation Time Capsule with a 1TB drive that my client no longer needs, but they'd like to keep an archive of the data. I've got a WD20EARS that's never been put to use. I plan to rip out the 1TB and give it to them as an archive and try installing the WD20EARS.

Hopefully my luck will be the same as Brian33's.
 
Figured I would post an update as well - the HD204UI I bought a few months ago has been working great, no backup problems at all. Too bad Samsung has gotten out of the HDD business...

But like someone else mentioned, a green power drive did little to solve the heat problems of this model, so keeping it ventilated is probably key for the long term life of these things.

Found these pictures a little while ago showing that the real source of heat is the power supply and that a 'green' drive made little difference - pretty interesting:

http://sites.google.com/site/lapastenague/a-deconstruction-of-routers-and-modems/apple-time-capsule-repair/apple-time-capsule-fan-mod/infra-red-pictures-of-time-capsule
 
Wd20earx

What about WD20EARX HDD Western Digital Caviar Green RS, 2TB, 5400RPM, 64MB, SATA3 ?

It would work with a TC 500GB that I bought in september 2008?

I just ordered this HDD and I wonder if I should had ordered WD20EARS which is SATA 2
 
I haven't heard of anyone trying a WD20EARX drive yet. You can be the first! My guess is that it will probably work for backups, but may or may not "spin down" to a low power state in between backups. A report would be welcome.

I probably wouldn't recommend the WD20EARS, as I am the only one (out of ?five?) in this discussion thread that got proper spin-down behavior with that drive.

My understanding is that the SATA3 capability won't hurt, but it won't help any over the SATA2 interface. I'm quite sure that SATA2 is faster than the Time Capsule can process data, so the faster SATA won't help.

By the way, my spring of 2008 Time Capsule is still going strong, now backing up two machines. It's coming up on a year since I put the 2 TB drive in and I still haven't filled it up!

Regards,
Brian33
 
I haven't heard of anyone trying a WD20EARX drive yet. You can be the first! My guess is that it will probably work for backups, but may or may not "spin down" to a low power state in between backups. A report would be welcome.

I probably wouldn't recommend the WD20EARS, as I am the only one (out of ?five?) in this discussion thread that got proper spin-down behavior with that drive.

My understanding is that the SATA3 capability won't hurt, but it won't help any over the SATA2 interface. I'm quite sure that SATA2 is faster than the Time Capsule can process data, so the faster SATA won't help.

By the way, my spring of 2008 Time Capsule is still going strong, now backing up two machines. It's coming up on a year since I put the 2 TB drive in and I still haven't filled it up!

Regards,
Brian33

I have one more option if the WD doesn't works: Seagate Barracuda Green 2TB, 5900rpm, 64MB, SATA 3, ST2000DL003

I will receive the WD today, and after I will test it, I will leave a feedback.

If it will not work, I will change it with the Seagate. Hopefully, one of those two will do the job

What does it mean that it won't spin down? Will spin all day long, even when it's not accesed? Or everytime the TC is mounted?

I will definetely fill the drive becouse I will not use it just for back up, but also for storing the movie colection, for the AppleTV
 
What does it mean that it won't spin down? Will spin all day long, even when it's not accesed? Or everytime the TC is mounted?

Well, none of us can be absolutely sure what is going on, but we're assuming the drive platters stop spinning and maybe the heads are parked in some way and maybe the drive goes into some low-power "sleep" state.

What is noticeable is an increase in sound and vibration of the TC when the drive is first accessed, and a decrease in sound and vibration 2 - 3 minutes after the drive is last accessed. We've been calling this "spinning up" and "spinning down".

Depending upon the drive installed, these changes may be very slight and difficult to notice, especially the vibration. My TC sits about 6 feet away from me in a quiet room, and when no other externals are being used I can hear the change in volume as the TC internal drive is accessed and as it "goes to sleep." To notice the change in vibration, I had to mount then unmount the drive using Finder, then go put my hand on the TC itself and waith 2 - 3 minutes. It was a slight change, but I could feel it.

I believe everyone's TC exhibits this desired behavior as it comes from Apple, but after hard drive replacement some people have had the result that the TC/drive never go into the quiet "spin-down" mode. I assume that means the platters remain spinning, I guess as long as there's power to the TC, so yes, all day long.

This isn't necessarily a big problem: the slightly increased noise, power use, and wear(?) on the drives may well be negligible and unimportant, but it is just different than a stock TC. It still works fine for backups and restores.
 
I haven't heard of anyone trying a WD20EARX drive yet. You can be the first! My guess is that it will probably work for backups, but may or may not "spin down" to a low power state in between backups. A report would be welcome.

I probably wouldn't recommend the WD20EARS, as I am the only one (out of ?five?) in this discussion thread that got proper spin-down behavior with that drive.

My understanding is that the SATA3 capability won't hurt, but it won't help any over the SATA2 interface. I'm quite sure that SATA2 is faster than the Time Capsule can process data, so the faster SATA won't help.

By the way, my spring of 2008 Time Capsule is still going strong, now backing up two machines. It's coming up on a year since I put the 2 TB drive in and I still haven't filled it up!

Hey Brian33,
did you succeeded with WD20EARX? Does it spin down?
I was going to take this one for my 1st generation TC.
After reading this forum realised there is no 100% working option ...
Thanks
Alex
 
After reading this forum realised there is no 100% working option ...
Well I wouldn't go quite that far... There may not be a *perfect* replacement, but my Samsung EcoGreen now works 100% and has done since a few weeks after I installed it. And even then, the problems I had were just a few "backup failed" messages which I then just did manually from the TM menu. I think that was more that it couldn't find the drive on the network than that there was a problem with the drive.

The TM does crash from time to time (say once a month), but then it did before the upgrade anyway. I attribute this more to the overheating... I don't think there's a drive out there that will sort the overheating problem. To sort that you need to do quite a severe mod job that includes drilling a very large hole.
 
Hey Brian33,
did you succeeded with WD20EARX? Does it spin down?
I was going to take this one for my 1st generation TC...

I haven't tried the WD20EARX, and no one has reported back (that I've seen) about whether it spins down or not.

I was successful with the WD20EARS, but four or five others reported that it wouldn't spin down for them. If you try the WD20EARX and are not satisfied, can you still return it? Otherwise I'd probably go with Samsung EcoGreen as jowie did.

Regards,
Brian33
 
Well I wouldn't go quite that far... There may not be a *perfect* replacement, but my Samsung EcoGreen now works 100% and has done since a few weeks after I installed it.[/URL].

Hey Jowie and Brian33
thanks for your advice.
Just ordred Samsung SpinPoint F4 EcoGreen 2TB HD204UI
a bit concern if it is still necessary to do a firmware upgrade to maki it spin down?
also seems it is "Advanced format" - hopefully my TC 2008 will be able to recognise it. :)

already changed capasitors in power supply. if HDD works fine will do fan mod.
cheers
Alex
 
Hey Jowie and Brian33
thanks for your advice.
Just ordred Samsung SpinPoint F4 EcoGreen 2TB HD204UI
a bit concern if it is still necessary to do a firmware upgrade to maki it spin down?
also seems it is "Advanced format" - hopefully my TC 2008 will be able to recognise it. :)

already changed capasitors in power supply. if HDD works fine will do fan mod.
cheers
Alex
Hi Alex,

My EcoGreen HD is Advanced format, but works perfectly fine, although my TC is a 2009 model.

I didn't need to do any firmware upgrades to make it spin down, so hopefully yours will be the same.

Good luck!
 
Hey Jowie and Brian33
...also seems it is "Advanced format" - hopefully my TC 2008 will be able to recognise it. :)

already changed capasitors in power supply. if HDD works fine will do fan mod.
cheers
Alex

My WD20EARS drive is Advanced Format and my May 2008 Time Capsule had no problem using it right out of the package. So, I don't think AF will be a problem.

Changed your capacitors -- I'm impressed! Mine are still the originals and I'm hoping since they've lasted this long I won't have to change them. Not sure my skills are up to that.

Good Luck!
 
Changed your capacitors -- I'm impressed! Mine are still the originals and I'm hoping since they've lasted this long I won't have to change them. Not sure my skills are up to that.

Good Luck!

Hey Bri
if I had changed them myself I would have lost my TC aleady :)
I asked a friend of mine to do "the dirty work".

Actually 1 of the capasitors was "pregnant" - probably it was still working fine but it wouldn't stay this way for long. The thing is my HDD 0.5TB died, but I thought it was a power supply module. Changed capasitors - didn't help, now am changing HDD.
(TC now works fine with 2.5" 150Gb replacement temporary HDD).

I will let you know if I am lucky with Samsung Eco.
Cheers,
Alex
 
Bri and Jowie
thanks once more
was a good advice.
just installed Samsung SpinPoint F4 EcoGreen 2TB HD204UI.
10 min - works fine :)
and it does spin down - tested.
one more thing - it works REALLY silent.
cheers
A
 
Bri and Jowie
thanks once more
was a good advice.
just installed Samsung SpinPoint F4 EcoGreen 2TB HD204UI.
10 min - works fine :)
and it does spin down - tested.
one more thing - it works REALLY silent.
cheers
A
Excellent news :)

I may end up getting one myself... Why I didn't go straight to 2TB rather than 1 I have no idea... ;)
 
Yes, thanks for that report on the Samsung! 2 TB, check. Spin-down, check. Quiet, check. Looks like a great drive for the TC. Enjoy!
 
Hi all,

I've been reading this thread with interest, since I am planning to do an HD upgrade myself.

However, I am missing some info from you guys. From this thread, it seems that all of you are doing upgrades on the old 1st Generation Time Capsule?
Can anyone confirm?

My planned upgrade if for a 1TB 3rd Generation TimeCapsule (bought in 2010 as far as I remember - AirPort Utility reports it as a 3rd Gen). Did anyone take such unit apart or able to give reference to another thread about this unit?

I wanted to put a 2TB WD Caviar Green in it. It seems that Apple uses these drives on the newer unit, however not clear if that is only 4th Gen or if it includes 3rd Gen too:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...ars-up-time-capsule-server-grade-controversy/

And what are my chances to make a 3TB drive working in that unit?

Thanks :)
 
From this thread, it seems that all of you are doing upgrades on the old 1st Generation Time Capsule?
Can anyone confirm?

My upgrade was to a 1st-gen model. Anyone else do a 2nd or 3rd gen unit?


My planned upgrade if for a 1TB 3rd Generation TimeCapsule (bought in 2010 as far as I remember - AirPort Utility reports it as a 3rd Gen). Did anyone take such unit apart or able to give reference to another thread about this unit?

I assume you've tried google. I don't recall any replacement reports or instructions for a 3rd-gen model specifically, but if you're just replacing the hard drive, I highly doubt the process will be significantly different than the 1st-gen ones. My recommendation: use a hair dryer to soften the glue holding the rubber base pad on!

I wanted to put a 2TB WD Caviar Green in it. It seems that Apple uses these drives on the newer unit, however not clear if that is only 4th Gen or if it includes 3rd Gen too:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...ars-up-time-capsule-server-grade-controversy/

And what are my chances to make a 3TB drive working in that unit?

That article was interesting. It's very clear that the WD Caviar Green you buy will be different than the same model drive Apple puts in. What model WD are you thinking about? You do know that several people have reported spin-down problems with the WD Caviar Green (WD20EARS)? I would recommend the drive used by ignalex -- the Samsung SpinPoint F4 EcoGreen 2TB HD204UI (at least I think that's the one he used, successfully).

I haven't seen any success stories with a 3TB drive. Sure would be nice, but I think you're on your own, there!

Regards,
Brian33
 
Thanks for the reply.

I guess too that the process of disassembly wont be much different (all googable info seems to be the 1st generation though, but it doesn't really worry me). I have a heat gun ready to be fired up if I decide on the upgrade :)

That article was interesting. It's very clear that the WD Caviar Green you buy will be different than the same model drive Apple puts in. What model WD are you thinking about? You do know that several people have reported spin-down problems with the WD Caviar Green (WD20EARS)?
Yes I would want to use the WD20EARS, since this apparently is the Apple preferred drive. Hence the question if anyone had experience with the 3rd generation units. Specifically if there are spin down issues or if it's only the 1st Generation that's affected?

I have great faith in WD products (followed closely by Hitachi). Reading the stuff about Samsung firmware problems has got me completely turned off on that product (and anyway no Samsung product will get inside this Mac household). :)

Regarding 3TB I got that question sorted. The 3rd Generation is not compatible with the 3TB. That is, it's unable to format the drive correctly. The 2nd generation, however is. And it's possible to move an already formatted drive from a 2nd to a 3rd generation. Too much hassle for me, and 2TB should suffice for my foreseeable need the next 1 - 3 years anyway.
 
So much good info in this thread! - Thanks!

I've got a working 500GB 2008 1 gen TC (yep)

Looking to exchange the HD to 2T, and from what I can see in this thread, its either the Samsung EcoGreen F4 or the Seagate Barracuda Green 2TB.

Due to all the DOS-firmware issues with the Samsung, I'm leaning towards the Seagate. Did it work for any of you?

Thanks!
 
I can't imagine the Samsungs still ship from the factory without the firmware update - it was an issue in late 2010 with the patch out in January.

I have had a HD204ui running flawlessly for about 8 months now (I think). I would highly recommend it before Samsung drives go extinct (Seagate bought Samsung a while back).
 
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