Beware: the Core i7 is probably not worth it this time

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Nuak, Apr 13, 2010.

  1. Nuak macrumors member

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    Before purchasing, you should know that besides the CPU speed there is only 1 difference in terms of architecture between the Arrandale i5s and the i7: the i7 includes 4MB of L3 cache while the i5s include 3MB of L3 cache. Nothing else. You compare the three of them in Intel's website: http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=43560,43544,47341

    Check this article:
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Intel-Core-i3-i5-i7-Processors-Arrandale.25085.0.html

    Look at this picture. The first three are the ones included in the different 15" configurations. They are quite similar in performance:
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    This one is about gaming performance with the integrated GPU included in all Arrandales. Suprisingly, the i5s perform better. Check the article to know why.
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    Now look at this one. It shows the power consumption. The consumption of the i7 is significantly higher. That means less battery life and more heat.
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    Given that the increase of VRAM in the higher model has little impact in performance, I recommend you to think before you buy. I would go for the i5-520M 2.4GHz. Most of us couldn't tell the difference between the three CPUs. Keep in mind that the i7 name is just marketing, because the i5s and the i7 are all the same CPU with the only difference of 1MB L3 cache.
     
  2. vasuba macrumors member

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    You are correct. Besides the obvious video ram differences in the models the performance boost of the i7 versus the i5 is only about 5% so extremely negligible.

    So if you are not going for the 512mb GPU pretty much best to just stick to the i5
     
  3. M1K3YY macrumors newbie

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    interesting info...iwas leaning towards the i7..but after seeing this i might stick with the i5
     
  4. jonesjb macrumors member

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    But doesn't the i7 have a larger battery to compensate?
     
  5. abnospam macrumors regular

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    wait - which i5 models are aligned with which 15"?
     
  6. vasuba macrumors member

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    Mid grade 15" uses i5-540M
    Low end 15" uses i5-520M
     
  7. Nuak thread starter macrumors member

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    i5-520M: 2.4 GHz
    i5-540M: 2.53 GHz
    i7-620M: 2.66 GHz
     
  8. Quicksilver867 macrumors regular

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    I'm fairly certain the 8-9 hour range specified by Apple is because of the i5/i7 discrepancy. i5s will be closer to 9, and i7s will be closer to 8.
     
  9. D0rk macrumors member

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    Those charts really make me wish they offered the mid-range i5 with the 512mb of video RAM as an option at least.
     
  10. vasuba macrumors member

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    Totally agree with you. Im being stuck buying the i7 15" simply because I have to have the 512mb video ram.
     
  11. jonesjb macrumors member

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    Well this is annoying
     
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    The article clearly shows that the only downside of i7-620M is power consumption: you most likely are not going to use it with GMA HD for heavy graphics anyway and it is the best in every test.
     
  14. Quicksilver867 macrumors regular

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    How though? I mean, 1 hour improvement in battery life (at minimum) over the previous gen, with a significant increase in performance? I can't find a fault in that...
     
  15. waloshin macrumors 68040

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    Well that's interesting I wonder why Apple didn't choose to use a Quad Core for the 17" was it because Ghz sell not cores?
     
  16. FMD:. macrumors member

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    If you look closely the i7 was beat in 2 of the 3 3D tests. So you cannot say that it was the best in every test. Best overall...probably...but that can be debated with the amount of power consumption/heat etc.

    As well as 2 of the pc benchmark tests (memories and hdd tests) and was extremely close with movies and music.
     
  17. alphaod macrumors Core

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    The i7 processor also has a better turbo boost.
     
  18. raykhrud macrumors regular

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    If you ever bothered to read the original article where the images come from, it clearly says that the reason for the i7's failure to be the first in those tests is GMA HD not getting enough power. As you might know, both i7 CPU and GMA HD GPU are located on the same chip (glued together) and have one power source. As you most likely will never use (because you won't really be able to do that) GMA HD for any graphics-heavy tasks, i7 will always be the fastest Arrandale CPU for you.
     
  19. joina macrumors member

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    thank you very much. would you mind to find some benchmark for C2D 3.06 as well? that is the best cpu we can get in last MBP
     
  20. C64 macrumors 65816

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    Wow, didn't know that the difference between the i5-520M 2.4GHz and i5-540M 2.53GHz was so small... like.. almost nothing for real life applications.

    And the only other difference is the 320GB vs 500GB hard drive. I was thinking about the mid range 15", but now...
     
  21. FMD:. macrumors member

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    Yeah but it doesn't state that it is the best chip. Its the fastest by supposedly single digit percentages. That to me does not seem much faster and I am sure most people will not be able to tell if thier program opens up a half a second faster. They probably will be indistinguishable when ran side by side.
     
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  23. C64 macrumors 65816

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    If you'll be needing that extra VRAM, go for the i7.

    But I don't see a reason anymore to otherwise go for the 2.53GHz over the 2.4GHz — apart from being able to say that you have the 2.53GHz model ;) Use the difference in price to bump the resolution of the screen.

    In real life you'll never notice it. It'll be a 60 sec difference on a 60 minute render, or something like that. And if you really want your day-to-day apps to feel faster, swap the HD for an SSD.
     
  24. aneftp macrumors 68040

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    Quad Core i7 mobile chips (720qm) were horrible on laptop battery life when released on windows pc. People were lucky to get just 2 hours of battery life. Great performance. Horrible battery life.

    That's why Apple said no to the the quad core i7s.
     
  25. Nuak thread starter macrumors member

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    That's the point. For a noticeable performance gain it's better to spend money on a 2.4 + SSD rather than the 2.53 or the 2.66.
     

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