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thatwendigo said:
<snip>Apple was looking into networked computing a while ago, talking with Oracle and others about netbooting and limited aspects of this technology. They already offer a VNC client that runs natively in OSX, thought it's currently too expensive for most home users ($299 for Apple Remote Desktop). They have experience in scalable processing and network storage, with the xServe and xServe RAID as proof of concept pieces, and the forthcoming xGrid as the glue to bind it all together.

Perhaps they won't go all the way into a terminal model. I'd rather they didn't, actually, and stuck with powerful machines in individual cases, but moved into an area that has been unexploited so far.<snip>

Say that you have three or four computers on a network at home, but not all of them are always in use. Now, you could turn the spare clock cycles of the idling ones into useable processing with the advent of ever-higher speed networking and good code (xGrid, just to name Apple's take on it). Add to this a community storage device<snip>
Nice ideas. Basically if I'm reading you right, you're saying have high power computers sharing each others processing power, and without hard disks (using a quality central storage RAID system). Interesting.

I've got 2 thoughts on your idea. You don't want to have a central high power computer with dumb terminals, so is there an advantage to having 2 machines with 1.8GHz processors instead of 1 machine with 2x1.8 GHz processors and 2 separate screens? If the network is as fast as you say, then whether the computing power is local or remote shouldn't matter right?

The other thought is more in support of your idea - one step further. Why have a central RAID disk at all? Why not have each computer take 5GB of its hard disk for itself, and then "give" the rest of its hard disk to the "LAN Disk". 5 computers might each provide 50GB - a total of 250GB. If the OS could make every computer's extra disk space look like one large virtual hard disk would that be useful? The OS could potentially make that redundant storage too - so you'd only get half the storage space, but the data is always stored in at least 2 places.

Who knows what Apple will do. One thing I've noticed is that they've got a lot of cool pieces that could go together in amazing ways, but they don't always use their pieces. I wish they would!

Personally while I like your idea (and my extension) from a technology viewpoint, I'd really like to see the terminal idea used. In particular I'd like to see some old computers becoming dumb terminals, so people who have a couple of old Macs (MacOS 9 etc?) can buy 1 new Mac and have 3 computers all running OS X. Give older supporters of Macs an added bonus to updating! Then again, you could do that for old PC owners too... convert a classroom of PCs into a classroom of Mac terminals just by adding a few high end power macs?

Ahh well... dreaming on... ;-)
 
thinking different(ly) while beating the dead horse

GSM phone (UNLOCKED and usable on any GSM network WORLDWIDE) with ical and address synch. Apple could add the keychain (very encrypted) and allow for any mac to be your mac. Small harddrive for some (1000) tunes and a remote for the control of imovie and itunes. Perhaps even the input device for spoken word interface (Tiger?). Remember apple 20 years ago taught us to use a mouse! Throw some QT7 high def video/photo recording into the mix and you have one hell of a consumer appliance for developers to develop.
 
Apple better get ready

Perhaps tomorrow will be bigger than we thought??

Quicktime 7 with HD content DRM and itms integration will kick these fellas (see below) to the curb oh yea and all that PIXAR content.... and if you have noticed a little bit of cozing up with AOL in January remember what follows AOL ...TIME and a little company called WARNER BROTHERS!!!

Content is the KEY!!!

and if Apple computer licences QT7 to Time Warner Cable for it's set top HD PVR's then convergence is here!!!

Books
Movies
Music
AOL databases

One stroke and APPLE is in the lead again!!!

th th that's all folks!

from aoltimewarner.com

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Time Warner is the world's leading media and entertainment company, whose businesses include filmed entertainment, interactive services, television networks, cable systems, publishing and music.
Media & Communications Group

America Online
Time Warner Book Group
Time Inc.
Time Warner Cable

Entertainment & Networks

Home Box Office
New Line Cinema
Turner Broadcasting System
Warner Bros. Entertainment

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from msnbc.com

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Real, Starz launch Internet movie service
Subscriptions to cost $12.95 a monthThe Associated Press
Updated: 5:28 a.m. ET June 14, 2004SEATTLE - RealNetworks Inc. and Starz Encore Group LLC are launching an Internet movie subscription service Monday, 18 months after the two companies first announced plans for the offering.

Seattle-based RealNetworks and Starz of Englewood, Colo., had planned to begin the service in the spring of 2003, after announcing it in December 2002. But RealNetworks vice president Karim Meghji said it was delayed because the companies didn't think the market was ready for the offering, which lets people download movies to watch on computers.

One big hurdle was broader adoption of high-speed broadband Internet connections, which Meghji said allows the movie files to be downloaded in 30 minutes or less.

The company wouldn't disclose its sales projections or say when it hoped the venture would be profitable.

But RealNetworks is hoping the service will eventually get to the point that families are subscribing and watching the movies from their regular television screens, mobile video players and other gadgets. That could take a while, however, as the technology is developed, becomes affordable and is widely adopted.

The service, called Starz! Ticket on Real Movies, will cost $12.95 a month and give viewers access to about 100 movies. The movies are available for viewing an unlimited number of times while they are part of Starz's current roster of films, but the movie is then deleted from the hard drive when the company no longer carries it.

Competitors include Movielink, which charges per movie download and is backed by several movie studios, and CinemaNow, which lets users buy subscriptions or pay per movie and is backed partly by Real rival Microsoft Corp.

The company also faces competition from Netflix, the mail-order video service.

Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 
Has anybody noticed that the symbol that Sony is Using for their Sony Connect service looks very much like the icon Apple uses for importing in iTunes? 😕
 
McTunes

it looks like all of their logos lame.

McTunes! no nutritonal value, and you can't share it without express written permission from sony music.

LAME ATRAC is too little too late. Only japanese schoolgirls will use it.

Unless sony gives the players away in the happy meal.

Go IPOD!!
 
Beyond?

Hi!

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.sonyericsson.com/mmv-100/index.html

It looks like at least picture "streaming" can already be done... This combined with a WiFi and BT enabled iPod and we have a really good remote control...

BTW: Streaming from the iPod should not be impossible. If Airport Express contains come memory (say 4MB) it would require new data only every 30 seconds or so. And the amount of data needed can be transferred in 2 seconds (appr.)...
 
Colman said:
Steve Jobs doesn't believe in the media centre PC. This is the key thing here: people do not really want a computer in their living room. Or their bedroom if they can help it. Even the cutest little Mac doesn't look all that good in either.

Jobs' money is on ancillary devices linked to the computer by wifi. The Airport Express shows this clearly. I don't think we're going to get anything that looks like a computer in the living room from Apple except for a laptop. So, a wifi iPod? Sure. Video out on AE Express 2? I'd be suprised if it didn't happen. Wi-fi tablet? Not a chance<snip>
Actually, what you imply in your first line and what you later state don't appear to add up to me.

Steve said people don't want a computer on their TV. They are different markets. He also said that computer technologies will be added to things in the TV and stereo. My personal interpretation is that Steve doesn't believe in using Microsoft Word on your TV. Probably not reading a newspaper-style website either (you need to be close up - and you don't setup your TV for that).

Steve also said he didn't want someone watching TV to slow down someone using their computer, though he was referring to recording (avoid something like "damn, I can't do my work because my wife is recording Friends")

Steve's comments left many avenues WIDE open. What made you think that a tablet PC isn't possible?

And on an entirely different note:
JGowan said:
Time will tell. It's obvious that we will SOMEHOW be able to control MUSIC with AExpress in some fashion. <snip> I still maintain that 4th Generation Ipods will have it built it <snip>. I say it will NOT be an entirely OTHER REMOTE. And I can't wait to be proven right.
You may be right. Why would you want to be? Apple might grow much bigger by having some inexpensive options that bring in new users. So I hope you are wrong as I don't need a walkman - thus Apple's solution would be too expensive for my needs. Long live competition.
 
GregA said:
Nice ideas. Basically if I'm reading you right, you're saying have high power computers sharing each others processing power, and without hard disks (using a quality central storage RAID system). Interesting.

You'd have a system disk and some limited storage in the consumer machines, saving high-speed disk access for the network storage unit or professional machines. Essentially, home and small business networks could be turned into a sort of completely linked setup that turns them into limited supercomputers.

Apple: Supercomputing for the Rest of Us.

It could happen.

I've got 2 thoughts on your idea. You don't want to have a central high power computer with dumb terminals, so is there an advantage to having 2 machines with 1.8GHz processors instead of 1 machine with 2x1.8 GHz processors and 2 separate screens? If the network is as fast as you say, then whether the computing power is local or remote shouldn't matter right?

Well, that really gets down to how the machines are designed and what your setup is going to be like. With enough badnwidth, anything is theoretically possible, but you're going to run into a couple of issues with any remote computing system - latency, dropped signal, and efficiency. The first and last are probably the most pertinent in this case, since distance increases access and transmission times (i.e. latency) that affect the overal speed of the system, and latency decreases the power of the system overall by reducing the efficiency below optimum levels.

However, this can be overcome with clever engineering and some good software, or else there would be no reason to cluster for anything at all. Apple is notorious for both, and their professional line is moving more and more into this model of doing things. The "advantage" to a single 1.8 G5 in two units, as compared to a dual 1.8 in a single unit is that you can manufacture the first more cheaply, and people can add into the cluster as necessary. You lose some benefit of shelling out for the dual, but it doesn't bar you from ever improving your system.

Imagine if you will, Joe Average. He doesn't want to get rid of his computer he paid for, but he needs more speed. With the Apple clustering solutions, he can buy a box and put it into a closet or on a rack, plug in three cables, and the network autodetects and assigns it to the virtual machine as additional resources.

Would Joe Average manage that easier than swapping a processor or changing a motherboard? I think so, especially if he can be shown that he gets to keep on using his machine and, most importantly, neither have to learn anything new nor move his information to a new machine.

The other thought is more in support of your idea - one step further. Why have a central RAID disk at all? Why not have each computer take 5GB of its hard disk for itself, and then "give" the rest of its hard disk to the "LAN Disk".

For one simple reason - centralization is good when you can manage it. A disk array that has to search your whole network first would probably be pretty slow. One that's in a single enclosure would be faster, and one that's in the machine would be fastest. So you compromise and move your serious storage to a hot-swappable or otherwise easily changed design so that Joe Average can replace his drive if one fails or he wants more, rather than digging around inside his case.

5 computers might each provide 50GB - a total of 250GB. If the OS could make every computer's extra disk space look like one large virtual hard disk would that be useful? The OS could potentially make that redundant storage too - so you'd only get half the storage space, but the data is always stored in at least 2 places.

What you're describing exists in Apple technology today. The load-balancing done by xSan allows all the disks in an xServe RAID to be RAID striped together in any way the user wants. A RAID 0+1 setup would speed the disk access times, while also mirroring data for redundancy, and keeping the drives in a single chassis would also increase speed while allowing all machines to access the 'server' box that holds them.

Incidentally, someone apparently likes my idea (though I'm not the first to espouse it). Linksys and Maxtor are bringing a wireless networked drive to market jointly. The system is said to include a file manager that will act as a server to PCs connecting to it.
 
I'm really wanting to see what the remote looks like. I hope they don't overprice it, esp. after they did such a good job pricing the AirportExpress.
DMann said:
Bring on the remote control for the
Airport Express......
 
thatwendigo said:
Incidentally, someone apparently likes my idea (though I'm not the first to espouse it). Linksys and Maxtor are bringing a wireless networked drive to market jointly. The system is said to include a file manager that will act as a server to PCs connecting to it.

I like the idea of the wireless network drive, but right now, when you look at the speed of Firewire (or Gigabit Ethernet) compared to WiFi, it seems like it would be frustratingly slow when copying files to or from the shared drive.
 
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