You've got to be kidding me!? Not only is your depiction a gross exaggeration, but you seem to be a cynic as well. Can't please everybody eh?
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Bill Gates and Steve Jobs Interviewed at All Things Digital
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i believe that was a reference to gil amelio, who nearly tanked apple. i could be wrong, but i think her comment, "now don't be mean to him" was in the midst of some amelio jokes.
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Excellent interview, but I have to say 2 things:
- Bill G is simply irritating in public...he can't speak without stuttering...worse, he always seems like he wants to give the best prediction of the "road ahead";
- The questions from the audience were awfully boring and ridiculous, touching upon "grand issues" that have been asked a million times...seems like half of the guys wanted to ensure their jobs, while the other half just tried to sound "nice" in political terms...what a waste of time! They could have tried to get some VERY interesting tidbits and profit from the time both were there, but they didn't...incredible.
- Bill G is simply irritating in public...he can't speak without stuttering...worse, he always seems like he wants to give the best prediction of the "road ahead";
- The questions from the audience were awfully boring and ridiculous, touching upon "grand issues" that have been asked a million times...seems like half of the guys wanted to ensure their jobs, while the other half just tried to sound "nice" in political terms...what a waste of time! They could have tried to get some VERY interesting tidbits and profit from the time both were there, but they didn't...incredible.
Huh? He just mopped the floor with Bill G, while still being extremely careful in his remarks...you sure saw a different interview.
The interview was mildly fun to watch.
Steve does not like to give anyone props. Bill G was much more complimentary, although not as good a public speaker. Steve likes to gloss over the ads....which appeal to the fanbase. Bill knows that he could never get away with ads like that. Someone would sue.
Steve does not like to give anyone props. Bill G was much more complimentary, although not as good a public speaker. Steve likes to gloss over the ads....which appeal to the fanbase. Bill knows that he could never get away with ads like that. Someone would sue.
For anyone interested, Steve Jobs' current running shoe of choice is the New Balance M992 Trainer in the "Cool Gray" color scheme.
They look very comfy.
Credit card... must... stay... in wallet
Do you have ANY idea how much kick-ass technology has been killed due to Microsoft? Do you realize that we had network-aware GUI's in the eighties? Do you realize that we had operating-systems that did not crash? But thanks to Microsoft, there's HUGE amount of people who think it's perfectly acceptable that computers crash, that they get slow when they are infested with spyware... Do you realize that we have had GUI's since early eighties, yet thanks to Microsoft, mainstream computing got blessed with a crappy GUI about ten years later?
Thanks to Microsoft, large part of computer-users actually dislike computers. Thanks to Microsoft, we are DECADES behind where we could be. And now we should stand hand in hand and sing "Kumbayah" because Bill Gates is donating 20 billion dollars? I'm sorry, but that money comes nowhere near fixing the damage Microsoft has caused.
Evangelion, your version of history seems messed up to me. Computers used to crash back in the 80s/90s.. They didn't do as many things to cause crashes.. And I don't think we're decades behind because of anyone - you have no way of knowing that. A lot of technologies we're still not ready for now. What "kick-ass" technologies have we been missing the last couple of decades, exactly?
Even in the days of Amiga et al the public didn't like computers. Its not Bill Gates' fault, a lot of people don't like new tech - it takes a long time to warm to it. (also, i dont think any of the 'old' school of OS's would cope any better than windows if they had it's market-share when it comes to spyware and bloat)
I dont think I've tried a platform which doesn't crash sometimes. Linux, Amigas, Ataris, Unix boxes, Macintoshes, nothing is 100% stable and as far as I'm aware it never was.
More on topic though, I really enjoyed this interview, and it was good there wasn't the weird rivalry that some people think should've been there. Both came across very positively I thought.
Even in the days of Amiga et al the public didn't like computers. Its not Bill Gates' fault, a lot of people don't like new tech - it takes a long time to warm to it. (also, i dont think any of the 'old' school of OS's would cope any better than windows if they had it's market-share when it comes to spyware and bloat)
I dont think I've tried a platform which doesn't crash sometimes. Linux, Amigas, Ataris, Unix boxes, Macintoshes, nothing is 100% stable and as far as I'm aware it never was.
More on topic though, I really enjoyed this interview, and it was good there wasn't the weird rivalry that some people think should've been there. Both came across very positively I thought.
Bill Gates made particularly shrewd business moves that increased his, along with Microsoft's, net worth exponentially over time. We can argue about his tactics, and vision, but the issue at hand was your contention that his philanthropic efforts were irrelevant somewhat. There's plenty of people whom while not having as much money as him, have enough to where they can donate enormous sums and not even blink, yet don't. Along with persons who do far more damaging things to mankind, yet pay no retribution whatsoever.
Judging from your argument it would have been better if Bill Gates didn't even TRY to push forward the pc-movement. I'm sure his thinking was along the lines "if not me than who"? He strikes me as a man whom is enormously passionate about what he does. Do I agree with some of his business tactics, or prefer his OS? Hell no, but that doesn't jade me enough to believe that he hasn't been one of the most influential people our society has ever seen.
Depends on the computer.
[quite]And I don't think we're decades behind because of anyone - you have no way of knowing that.[/quote]
I can always look at all the technology and companies Microsoft did their best to kill. Client-server computing? We had that in the eighties, and it was becoming web-enables in the nineties (like what we are starting to get today). Microsoft killed it in order to protect their OS-monopoly. How about GUI? Microsoft dominated the OS-market, yet they kept on pushing CLI.
Well, "killed" in this case would mean "buried by Microsoft and then re-introduced 10 years later as innovation". Things like client-server computing, remote-computing, rich web-applications, actually safe networking...
As to viruses... I don't buy the "viruses are a problem in Windows only because it's popular"-crap. Not for a second.
Of course nothing is 100% crash-proof and I never made any such claims. But fact remains that Windows is very, very unstable when compared to just about anything else. Only now are they reaching a level that many other OS'es have taken for granted for decades. Well DOS was quite stable, but it didn't really do much, now did it? And speaking of DOS... remember when Microsoft killed DR-DOS, a superior alternative to MS-DOS? Yeah, thank you for that! Another few extra years of stagnation!
I doubt the recipients of those billions would agree!
Anyway, despite MS dominance, Playstation is still "better" than the Xbox, the iPod is far better that the Zune, OSX is "better" than Windows. Most of the revolutionary technologies that are changing IT today are coming from outside either Apple or Microsoft in any case (Perpendicular/Flash based storage, OLED flat screens, multi-touch technology, G3, IPTV, HDTV, etc.) so where is the lack of innovation that you credit MS with inducing?
Are you just miffed because OSX is not the owner of the 80% market share?
from watching this interview i think should be a an interesting WWDC on leopard. Steve wants to so badly to talk about it but can't.
Hear hear! I would gladly have seen the world go without the healthcare and educational benefits from the Gates foundation if it meant that our computers could have had better GUI technology sooner.
has anyone been able to capture this video yet? I'd sure love to download this.
I'm really glad they were able to get Bill and Steve to sit down for this before Bill left the company next year. It wouldn't mean the same is Gates had already retired.
I'm really glad they were able to get Bill and Steve to sit down for this before Bill left the company next year. It wouldn't mean the same is Gates had already retired.
While I agree, MS held back technology, but technology isn't the most important thing in the world IMO. The money BG donated goes to good causes like fighting diseases. I don't know which charities he donates to, but they're good. Don't really know how much of it is coming from the goodness of his heart and how much is to say "Ooh, look how much money we're giving!" to get out of hefty fines for lawsuits about being a monopoly or whatever.
I didn't see the interview yet, but I've always felt that BG has the marketing genius but not the charisma, while SJ didn't have the iniative to go after the big markets early enough but is way more charismatic. SJ could be like "I murdered 100 kids" but do it in such a style where people would still love him. I'm glad to hear they can compliment each other though. There's so much mudslinging now, compliments about rivals are very rare. That's just sad.
it's all a build-up....... I mean, Im a pro-
, but he wants him to look relax and unstressed about life.... the exact same point about his shoes....... Mr and Mme everyone's one......
Video conference
Thank you for offering me a chance to see these two men together, as well as the whole videoconference LOVED IT!!
Newbie,Cheffy dave
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are sharing the stage at the All Things Digital conference with Walt Mossberg. Live coverage is available at the following sites:
All Things Digital
Engadget
Summary / Highlights
https://www.macrumors.com/2007/05/30/bill-gates-and-steve-jobs-interviewed-at-all-things-digital/
Steve Jobs took the stage earlier today. Video and transcript of that talk is now available.
Thank you for offering me a chance to see these two men together, as well as the whole videoconference LOVED IT!!Newbie,Cheffy dave