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Bill Gates says cell phone will beat iPod
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greenstork said:
Not so sure that's true for features either, which leaves quality of music, which depending on who you listen to may also not be true.
I agree, you definately cannot say that about a camera, but read the literature on some of these new camera phones, they would have you believe they are as good as cameras. Like I say depends on who you listen to.
Er...yeah Bill, don't glass houses, windows and throwing stones come into the picture somehow...
Here's a prediction. Digital TV will beat PC - nuff said.
Here's a prediction. Digital TV will beat PC - nuff said.
i think 2 years from now there will be a device that does it all well and is small. and cost effective. till then i think the ipod will be strong. and who knows tha tmachine might just have apples name on it.
Sirus The Virus said:
he does actualy. microsoft has lots and lots of mac's....after all they have to develope virtual PC on something
BornAgainMac said:
U know u make a very good point about WMV and now they are probably more conerned about itunes ability to play MOVs which will logically be a feature that is going to be expanded on in future version of itunes.
He is obviously doing something right!
I have a Dell Axim X50v and I use it for taking notes in class, I will ethier bring in a small keyboard or jot directly on the touch screen. It is awesome to print out your notes and not lug around a notebook. I love Windows mobile, I just hope Apple can (will) make one better.
I have a Dell Axim X50v and I use it for taking notes in class, I will ethier bring in a small keyboard or jot directly on the touch screen. It is awesome to print out your notes and not lug around a notebook. I love Windows mobile, I just hope Apple can (will) make one better.
microsoft difenently did mobile right. 5.0 is amazing. i wonder if we will see some kind of MAC mobile?
Just a thought.
It cost my son £ 3.00 last week for a 20 second clip of a frog burping or whatever noise it was making, I examined the file and it was about 150Kb. took him quite a while to d/l it.
How much are these songs going to cost when they are available and what sort of quality will they be. Anywhere near 128kbps at 48Khz for 79 p, anyone any idea
It cost my son £ 3.00 last week for a 20 second clip of a frog burping or whatever noise it was making, I examined the file and it was about 150Kb. took him quite a while to d/l it.
How much are these songs going to cost when they are available and what sort of quality will they be. Anywhere near 128kbps at 48Khz for 79 p, anyone any idea
amazing for mobile. though windows ce is pretty cool in general. microsoft did mobile right. now they need to do other things better. hehe
I currently have a Kyocera 7135 http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/7135-smartphone/ I use it as PDA (Palm 4), as music player (MP3 on a cheap 256 Mo) and phone. It's a little huge, and batterie get the job for a full day.
What I think may be the next iPod killer:
Software:
-Easy note taker with screen drawing (not bulshit caracter writing, too much CPU intensive and slow, just like the Monet appz for palm)
-iCal entery (just click and enter a graphic draw)
-phone, can connect to internet with high speed (3G or satellite) and adress book check
-can see my incoming e-mail (check every 15-30 min so it safe batteries)
-listen to music
-photo check
-a calculator touch screen (a scientific one!, by the way it's totaly a missing widget what I'm suppose to do with a calculator that can't even do a square root?!).
Hardware:
-High capacity hydrogen cell fuel batteries (sorry for my poor english) or any long lasting batteries (replaceable! god d..m it)
-Hard drive base (10Go-20Go is enough reduce the size!)
-touch screen (graph draw)
-phone buton on touch screen (save space)
-the click wheel to navigate the interface
-small size
-Use it as your internet modem at home or on the road! internet through wireless inside this (total mobility finally, I can do it my Kyocera but it cost a lot of money, I use it only when really require currently)
Give me that for under 1000$ and I will be the first in the row to buy this little baby and throw away my Kyocera 7135. That in my mind the best thing that could happen, but it require to have the carrier and Apple working together. Snif snif...will not happen.
What I think may be the next iPod killer:
Software:
-Easy note taker with screen drawing (not bulshit caracter writing, too much CPU intensive and slow, just like the Monet appz for palm)
-iCal entery (just click and enter a graphic draw)
-phone, can connect to internet with high speed (3G or satellite) and adress book check
-can see my incoming e-mail (check every 15-30 min so it safe batteries)
-listen to music
-photo check
-a calculator touch screen (a scientific one!, by the way it's totaly a missing widget what I'm suppose to do with a calculator that can't even do a square root?!).
Hardware:
-High capacity hydrogen cell fuel batteries (sorry for my poor english) or any long lasting batteries (replaceable! god d..m it)
-Hard drive base (10Go-20Go is enough reduce the size!)
-touch screen (graph draw)
-phone buton on touch screen (save space)
-the click wheel to navigate the interface
-small size
-Use it as your internet modem at home or on the road! internet through wireless inside this (total mobility finally, I can do it my Kyocera but it cost a lot of money, I use it only when really require currently)
Give me that for under 1000$ and I will be the first in the row to buy this little baby and throw away my Kyocera 7135. That in my mind the best thing that could happen, but it require to have the carrier and Apple working together. Snif snif...will not happen.
poundsmack said:he does actualy. microsoft has lots and lots of mac's....after all they have to develope virtual PC on something
Yes and the desktop pictures for windows and the movies advertising XP, you'd be suprised at how much the mac is used to make stuff for windows it's not just the mac bu that has them.
Then of course they need a model to get their ideas from.
and they're very modest as well
This is more elitist claptrap, nothing more.
Are you surprised that people who buy expensive computers make more money than those who buy cheap computers?
Are you surprised that IQ and income are related? Or that IQ and final level of education are related?
I have a high IQ (more than +2), a high income, several post-graduate degrees - and no Mac.
Get over yourself....
Don't you love statistics?Mr. Durden said:
This is more elitist claptrap, nothing more.
Are you surprised that people who buy expensive computers make more money than those who buy cheap computers?
Are you surprised that IQ and income are related? Or that IQ and final level of education are related?
I have a high IQ (more than +2), a high income, several post-graduate degrees - and no Mac.
Get over yourself....
so i need to sign a 2 year contract to listen to music. yeah right.
keep phones and ipod seperate.
keep phones and ipod seperate.
superfunkomatic said:you know bill, he's always got his finger on the pulse of new technology.
I agree Microsoft is soooo cutting edge.
There are two problems with what Gates is saying.
#1 - cell phone companies are going to get in the way. They want a cut of music sold to play on cell phones, thus the music is more expensive. Who's going to pay extra money for a cell phone that plays music then pay extra money to buy the music that will presumable only play on the cell phone?
#2 - if people want cell phones that play music, they'll soon be able to get an iTunes compatible model.
#3 - The longer Apple keeps 70%+ market share in downloads and players, the harder it'll be for competitors to take market share away because people will be increasingly tied to the iTunes/iPod compatible format. They're not going to throw away hundreds of dollars of music to go with an incompatible player.
#4 - with the iPod shuffle as light as it is, what's the point of building a music player into a cell phone anyway.
#1 - cell phone companies are going to get in the way. They want a cut of music sold to play on cell phones, thus the music is more expensive. Who's going to pay extra money for a cell phone that plays music then pay extra money to buy the music that will presumable only play on the cell phone?
#2 - if people want cell phones that play music, they'll soon be able to get an iTunes compatible model.
#3 - The longer Apple keeps 70%+ market share in downloads and players, the harder it'll be for competitors to take market share away because people will be increasingly tied to the iTunes/iPod compatible format. They're not going to throw away hundreds of dollars of music to go with an incompatible player.
#4 - with the iPod shuffle as light as it is, what's the point of building a music player into a cell phone anyway.
AidenShaw said:
Point one. Not surprised at all.
Point two. Not surprised at all.
In fact those two points ARE THE POINT. The more successful people are, the more likely they will use a Mac. Notice, the Mac isnt a pre-requisit to success, just a sign OF success. Kinda like that Mercedes or Lexus some of us may have.
And I'm sure that you are VERY intelligent, with a VERY high IQ. And you make a LOT of money. And have SEVERAL post-graduate degrees. Nope, no doubt about those things at all. But you cant be too bright if you still dont have a Mac, but prefer the company of us Mac users. Come on, you know you want one. A few more degrees and IQ points and you might be able to afford one (at least a mini). I'll give you one of my extra LCD Displays I have laying around if you need the help.
Now dont you have some viruses or system registries to clean up?
Gates and his erroneous parallel
"You can make parallels with computers: Apple was very strong in this field before, with its Macintosh and its graphics user interface--like the iPod today--and then lost its position," Gates said.
You can draw those parallels but only if you keep it extremely simple can you draw the same conclusions from those situations. There are tons of differences between how the old Apple Computer handled the Macs and how the new Apple Computer is handling the iPod. The primary ones:
* Apple never had a lead in the computer market the way they do in the mp3 player market. They were popular computers, but they did not dominate like the iPod does.
* Apple was extremely arrogant about its computers when the Mac first came out and assumed that cheesy-ass evangelizing and a killer new concept (as opposed to building relationships with retailers and doing heavy advertising) would carry the day for them. Wrong. Are they doing that with the iPod? No.
* Macs never attempted to be inexpensive or compete with low-end machines for market share when prices started to fall in home computing. The iPod is going after the low-end part of the market aggressively.
* The GUI on the Mac was a great concept but the machines themselves were not technologically more impressive than what other companies offered. iPods generally are better machines overall than the competition.
* Macs were at a disadvantage early on because of a proprietary system and hardware. The iPod doesn't suffer from that problem. The "software" equivalent for the iPod in this situation is music, and the iPod is compatible with most major formats. The "hardware" equivalent is the fact that iPods work on both Macs and Windows (the predominant platform.)
* Macs were never "cool" in the same way that the iPod is. There was never a real cultural buzz about Macs that the iPod enjoys.
* Gates is mixing apples and oranges here. Another gadget replacing the iPod isn't even remotely close to what happened with the Mac. What happened with the Mac was that another company came along, copied the great idea and made it more cheaply and marketed the thing to death. Those are two different situations. I don't see how this and that are parallel at all.
Anyway, there are more problems with the parallel that Gates is drawing, but those are the primary ones. He's just plain wrong and I can only conclude that he's smarter than that and knows damn-well that he's wrong. His comments are clearly yet another attempt for Microsoft to spread FUD in a market they don't dominate.
"You can make parallels with computers: Apple was very strong in this field before, with its Macintosh and its graphics user interface--like the iPod today--and then lost its position," Gates said.
You can draw those parallels but only if you keep it extremely simple can you draw the same conclusions from those situations. There are tons of differences between how the old Apple Computer handled the Macs and how the new Apple Computer is handling the iPod. The primary ones:
* Apple never had a lead in the computer market the way they do in the mp3 player market. They were popular computers, but they did not dominate like the iPod does.
* Apple was extremely arrogant about its computers when the Mac first came out and assumed that cheesy-ass evangelizing and a killer new concept (as opposed to building relationships with retailers and doing heavy advertising) would carry the day for them. Wrong. Are they doing that with the iPod? No.
* Macs never attempted to be inexpensive or compete with low-end machines for market share when prices started to fall in home computing. The iPod is going after the low-end part of the market aggressively.
* The GUI on the Mac was a great concept but the machines themselves were not technologically more impressive than what other companies offered. iPods generally are better machines overall than the competition.
* Macs were at a disadvantage early on because of a proprietary system and hardware. The iPod doesn't suffer from that problem. The "software" equivalent for the iPod in this situation is music, and the iPod is compatible with most major formats. The "hardware" equivalent is the fact that iPods work on both Macs and Windows (the predominant platform.)
* Macs were never "cool" in the same way that the iPod is. There was never a real cultural buzz about Macs that the iPod enjoys.
* Gates is mixing apples and oranges here. Another gadget replacing the iPod isn't even remotely close to what happened with the Mac. What happened with the Mac was that another company came along, copied the great idea and made it more cheaply and marketed the thing to death. Those are two different situations. I don't see how this and that are parallel at all.
Anyway, there are more problems with the parallel that Gates is drawing, but those are the primary ones. He's just plain wrong and I can only conclude that he's smarter than that and knows damn-well that he's wrong. His comments are clearly yet another attempt for Microsoft to spread FUD in a market they don't dominate.
Never gonna happen
The iPod will always be the number one music device, until apple comes out with a newer type of device that will be even better than the iPod today as we know it. A cell phone couldnt take over iPods, that'd just be stupid!
The iPod will always be the number one music device, until apple comes out with a newer type of device that will be even better than the iPod today as we know it. A cell phone couldnt take over iPods, that'd just be stupid!
I'm a windows user.
This picture is very funny discoteca.
https://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23782&stc=1&thumb=1
I'm wondering if when Longhorn comes out, will we not be able to backups our cds or dvds?
If this function cannot burned turned off, then I guess I will finally break down and get a mac.
This picture is very funny discoteca.
https://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=23782&stc=1&thumb=1
I'm wondering if when Longhorn comes out, will we not be able to backups our cds or dvds?
If this function cannot burned turned off, then I guess I will finally break down and get a mac.