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What is your view of Bill Gates?

  • Philanthropy: Only to hide previous sins.

    Votes: 106 24.2%
  • Philanthropy: Genuine.

    Votes: 220 50.2%
  • Microsoft: He's Microsoft, therefore evil.

    Votes: 112 25.6%
  • Microsoft: Stop hating on him... He's an indisputable genius!

    Votes: 83 18.9%
  • 1997 Apple Investment: I hate him for how he tried to use Apple to beat the Antitrust suit.

    Votes: 52 11.9%
  • 1997 Apple Investment: It kept Apple afloat until Steve worked magic, so He's alright by me.

    Votes: 118 26.9%

  • Total voters
    438
How can you have a "late start" to Philanthrophy? When is the right time to start giving away money?
As long as anyone who has gobs of money is giving it away to the right causes there isnt any "correct time" to give away money!!!
There is no Wrong way to give money to help the world.
 
It's pathetic reading the ragging on Gates. You use Macs, just be happy. But you're not. Why? because you have no life.
 
For the most part the best philanthropists are the ones that have the most problems.

Case in point. Carnegie had a workforce that worked 7 days a week a lot of the time 12 hour shifts even sometimes working 24hr shifts. His workers hated it.

Rockefeller created the first monopoly. ICC and Sherman Anti-Trust act were created due to Standard Oil (however not to stop the company, just to tell the public they were trying when the politicians didn't care because they were getting kickbacks)

Standard Oil was banned from Texas due to these practices however. And thus Texaco was created.
 
Good Luck Bill!

Apple will NOW take over for the next 30 years! :D :D :D



"Think Alike... BE Different!"
 
gman71882 said:
How can you have a "late start" to Philanthrophy?
By amassing billions, for years, before ever considering giving any away. No law says rich people must share their wealth, but they do get criticized when they don't.

Many of Microsoft's first donations, instigated by Gates, were in the form of Microsoft software or software discounts to schools and other organizations, which brought more criticism because they didn't cost Microsoft hard cash as would direct monetary donations. And many were to schools in Washington state, where students might end up working for Microsoft, making it look further self-serving. But it's been clear in recent years that Gates did indeed have a strong interest in the work of his and Melinda's Foundation.

And saving lives through health programs is about as good a cause as you can have.
 
eva01 said:
Ah we are talking about philanthropists right now in History.

He said Gates has basically piggy-backed on Carnegie

That he was extremely slow to donate anything

Not true at all.

He was donating in the six figures in the 1980s.
 
Evan_11 said:
Why? because you have no life.
Ouch, that's a popular position to have in the MacRumors Forums....but I'll bite.
There is no argument that his philanthrpy is a good thing. The argument is that ill gotten money distributed freely is not exactly philanthropic. Of course, you don't seem to follow this simple discussion, so I'll make it painfully simple for you.
Let's say that I stole a guy's wallet and give that money to the American Red Cross for hurricane relief. Does that make me a good person? Well, yes since I gave money, but more importantly, no since I gave money that was not mine in the first place.
Of course this all presupposes that Bill did steal the OS....which he did. If you want to argue otherwise, go find another place to do it, like a corner.
Finally, saying we don't have lives when the topic of discussion is Bill Gates is a bit ironic. Remember, this man learned how to do what he did by spending days on end working on a mainframe his school's PTA got access to. This was, as you may know, to the point where he would come out splattered in pizza sauce from the past several meals. So, I guess in a way saying we don't have lives is a complement, since hey who knows, you might end up working for us someday.
Have a nice day.
 
gman71882 said:
How can you have a "late start" to Philanthrophy? When is the right time to start giving away money?

The vast majority of philanthropiss give in their fifties and sixties. That's the pattern I see as a fundraiser.
 
macaddict06 said:
Ouch, that's a popular position to have in the MacRumors Forums....but I'll bite.
There is no argument that his philanthrpy is a good thing. The argument is that ill gotten money distributed freely is not exactly philanthropic. Of course, you don't seem to follow this simple discussion, so I'll make it painfully simple for you.
Let's say that I stole a guy's wallet and give that money to the American Red Cross for hurricane relief. Does that make me a good person? Well, yes since I gave money, but more importantly, no since I gave money that was not mine in the first place.
Of course this all presupposes that Bill did steal the OS....which he did. If you want to argue otherwise, go find another place to do it, like a corner.
Finally, saying we don't have lives when the topic of discussion is Bill Gates is a bit ironic. Remember, this man learned how to do what he did by spending days on end working on a mainframe his school's PTA got access to. This was, as you may know, to the point where he would come out splattered in pizza sauce from the past several meals. So, I guess in a way saying we don't have lives is a complement, since hey who knows, you might end up working for us someday.
Have a nice day.

Wow! Step away from your keyboard. There's a sun outside and children playing. People are talking to eachother and laughing. Cats are chasing butterflies.
 
Dessert Whip said:
What does Gates have to do with MacRumors? Isn't there a WindowsRumors site where people might care about what he does with his time?
Yes, it's www.pcrumors.com, although the plagiarists there clearly "borrowed" liberally from our news story. ;)

As far as Apple is concerned, Bill Gates has long been the friend-or-foe that Apple has had to deal with, from the early days of graphical interfaces, the emergence of MS Office as the "standard" for business, and the competition for hearts and minds as computer companies moved into the web browser competition, the video market, the mainstream consumer market, etc.

Over the coming years, Gates' "transition" may or may not affect Microsoft's stategies, products, and practices in obvious ways, but it's hard to argue that the company didn't reflect his personal goals and opinions.
 
Doctor Q said:
By amassing billions, for years, before ever considering giving any away. No law says rich people must share their wealth, but they do get criticized when they don't.

Many of Microsoft's first donations, instigated by Gates, were in the form of Microsoft software or software discounts to schools and other organizations, which brought more criticism because they didn't cost Microsoft hard cash as would direct monetary donations. And many were to schools in Washington state, where students might end up working for Microsoft, making it look further self-serving. But it's been clear in recent years that Gates did indeed have a strong interest in the work of his and Melinda's Foundation.

And saving lives through health programs is about as good a cause as you can have.

I think a lot of folks around here are not very familiar with Gates' pattern of giving.

Most high tech companies in the 1980s and 90s were very heavy into giving product, as opposed to dollars. Gates and Microsoft was no different. However, he gave extensively in Washington (in cash) in the 1980s and 1990s, which, again, is no different from most philanthropists, who give very heavily in the area where they live.

The spigots really began to turn in 1992, when the giving spring from the six figures into the seven figures. This was probably prompted by a) his marriage, and b) the death of his mother.
 
macaddict06 said:
Ouch, that's a popular position to have in the MacRumors Forums....but I'll bite.
There is no argument that his philanthrpy is a good thing. The argument is that ill gotten money distributed freely is not exactly philanthropic. Of course, you don't seem to follow this simple discussion, so I'll make it painfully simple for you.
Let's say that I stole a guy's wallet and give that money to the American Red Cross for hurricane relief. Does that make me a good person? Well, yes since I gave money, but more importantly, no since I gave money that was not mine in the first place.
Of course this all presupposes that Bill did steal the OS....which he did. If you want to argue otherwise, go find another place to do it, like a corner.
Finally, saying we don't have lives when the topic of discussion is Bill Gates is a bit ironic. Remember, this man learned how to do what he did by spending days on end working on a mainframe his school's PTA got access to. This was, as you may know, to the point where he would come out splattered in pizza sauce from the past several meals. So, I guess in a way saying we don't have lives is a complement, since hey who knows, you might end up working for us someday.
Have a nice day.


Never heard of Robin Hood eh? :D
 
markkk! said:
SO confused.

wtf does a chairman do?
why is it when you think of microsoft you think of the chairman and not the CEO like we do with apple?

THIS IS ALL WTF.

Can someone answer this please. :confused: :) :D
 
bothered for another reason...

ignoring the fact that Gates may have stolen anything...

ignoring monopolistic business practices (it's redundant)...

What peeves me the most is that the man is worth about $100 Billion. Sure he gives away 52% of that to philanthropy(according to Wikipedia), but that still leaves $48 Billion for him!

I don't think one person should be allowed to control more money than most of the governments in the world. There are roughly a billion people with no clean drinking water...where is the limit? Wouldn't $5 billion be ok? Even $500 million, for that matter?

Call me a Communist, but hell...stop being greedy and give the others a piece of your pie. Why are the poor people always the first to share what little they have?

The true measure of a man's character is not what he does once he finds wealth/power, but what he does on the way there.
 
LOL, he's CONSIDERED the richest man, not IS. Steve Jobs still makes nearly 1 penny a year? I remember that quote but I didn't believe it.

Good for Bill Gates. He's really a revolutionary man in the world of technology. Good luck to him and I hope he enjoys his life. As much as I hate M$, they've provided us with some great revolutionary things. I still prefer M$ Office for Mac over iWork.. simply because Apple doesn't want to use a highschool/college format that everyone's accustomed to.
 
Philberttheduck said:
Steve Jobs still makes nearly 1 penny a year? I remember that quote but I didn't believe it.
Actually, it was $1

...but that didn't count any of the apple shares he was given or any of the very expensive luxurious gifts he received (like a private jet).
 
Philberttheduck said:
I still prefer M$ Office for Mac over iWork.. simply because Apple doesn't want to use a highschool/college format that everyone's accustomed to.
I think it's more like Apple doesn't want MS to pull office from the Mac just yet, as they would if Apple released their own equivalent. Being able to run the highly recognized brand name "Microsoft Office" on the Mac is still a selling point for Apple. If MS ever does pull Office out of the Mac market, I'm sure Apple has something waiting in the "secret building" to put in its place already.

But, alas, that discussion doesn't really apply here.

Back to topic... You think he's bailing before the Vista train wreck, or just waiting for Vista to finally ship? :)
 
Gates jumps ship, huh?

Well, it sounds to me that Gates is getting out of the way of the giant steaming pile that is going to hit whoever is in charge of MS when Vista explodes like a road-kill skunk on a land mine.

Brannigan: "Well, Kif. Stand by to take the blame. Steady. Steady. Now!"
Kif: "Whaaa!"
Kif & Brannigan: *screaming*

So who's the "Kif" at MS? It's a crumby job....
 

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