Biometric Sensor Company Valencell Accuses Apple of Stealing Technology for Apple Watch

[Denmac1]

So does anyone know who really manufactures the heart rate sensor in the watch? It appears that Apple gets their components from various vendors and does not make the parts themselves. So how would they 'steal' the tech?
Now if Apple gave proprietary information gleaned from Valencell to another vendor, that's another story and proof of that would have to be brought forth in the lawsuit.
I think all the hate, bashing and so forth in their thread needs to be cleared and common sense should prevail. If MacRumors has come down to this level, the Moderators need to clean it up.
My 2 cents.

 

[iMember]

Clearly Apple stole their technology,. They have done this before with Xerox and countless other companies.
Now let Apple apologists, defend Apple

I heard Apple is going to hire another Steve Jobs like, if they do..they will reinvent the movie industry, after that they gonna release a true Batman v Superman, but unlike pg cr$p version, this one will be men only..dark and porn type of movie, In this movie, Batman and his fellow brothers "Men" will get sick to get advices from Supertramp, and they will hire the antihero Logan to go $$$$$$$$$$) him and then kill that Super$$$$

If you are a Batman fan.. u shouldn't be offended by this, right?

 

[fpsBeaTt]

Clearly Apple stole their technology,. They have done this before with Xerox and countless other companies.
Now let Apple apologists, defend Apple

Clearly your opinion is facile and vapid.

 

[NoNothing]

Sure, and I am sure that will reference me to macrumors.com

Do this. Find prof Xerox did NOT get the Apple stock. It has been reported this way since the day of the Lisa. Even Xerox mangers at the time referenced a financial deal between Apple and Xerox in Byte.

For ANYONE familiar with tech, this is very common knowledge.

 

[kingofwale]

So does anyone know who really manufactures the heart rate sensor in the watch? It appears that Apple gets their components from various vendors and does not make the parts themselves. So how would they 'steal' the tech?
Now if Apple gave proprietary information gleaned from Valencell to another vendor, that's another story and proof of that would have to be brought forth in the lawsuit.
I think all the hate, bashing and so forth in their thread needs to be cleared and common sense should prevail. If MacRumors has come down to this level, the Moderators need to clean it up.
My 2 cents.

funny, didn't Apple sue Samsung? I don't remember Samsung buying parts from Apple directly

 

[Denmac1]

funny, didn't Apple sue Samsung? I don't remember Samsung buying parts from Apple directly

Sure, because Apple doesn't make their own parts.

 

[GFF]

Clearly Apple stole their technology,. They have done this before with Xerox and countless other companies.
Now let Apple apologists, defend Apple

Yes, clearly. Open and shut case. Your understanding of the legal is something to be admired.

 

[garoto]

Clearly Apple stole their technology,. They have done this before with Xerox and countless other companies.
Now let Apple apologists, defend Apple

What makes it so clear? You should be the defending lawyer for Valencell.

 

[balamw]

Yet as I stated, Valencell feels it has enough proof to take Apple to court for stealing it's inventions.

They really only think they have enough evidence to go look for the smoking gun, not to actually proceed to trial.

The first step in such a lawsuit is "discovery" where the lawyers use the limited evidence they have of wrongdoing to go look for the real evidence they will ultimately use in court. The attorneys on both sides will be looking at information proprietary to both companies and try to figure out the actual strategy for the lawsuit.

I know from direct personal experience how this goes and that the plaintiff isn't always in the right.

In the case I lived through, the plaintiff's patents were invalidated in a process that took years.

Wake me up when there's an injunction against infringing products.

B

 

[BvizioN]

Clearly Apple stole their technology

Clearly? Don't make me laugh Mr "I know it all" You know jack schitt!

Wow - I came in just to read the posts blindly defending Apple and trashing this company. Responses seem unusually level headed...

Matters like this have always been 2 sided around here (unless you are new)
And you seem to have your own side too, just not the Apple one. Hardly surprising in this forum.

 

[DUCKofD3ATH]

Sure, and I am sure that will reference me to macrumors.com

Wrong:

By the end of the 1970s, Apple had a staff of computer designers and a production line. The company introduced the Apple III in May 1980 in an attempt to compete with IBM and Microsoft in the business and corporate computing market.[31] Jobs and several Apple employees, including Jef Raskin, visited Xerox PARC in December 1979 to see the Xerox Alto. Xerox granted Apple engineers three days of access to the PARC facilities in return for the option to buy 100,000 shares (800,000 split-adjusted shares) of Apple at the pre-IPO price of $10 a share.
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Reference to (Ta Da!):

Landley, Rob (September 18, 2000). "Fool.com: How Xerox Forfeited the PC War". The Motley Fool. Archived from the original on July 23, 2008. Retrieved August 12,2008.​

 

[OllyW]

Didn't read the article did ya? They are also suing fitbit

You mean despite the fact the story states they have also gone after Fitbit...

Read the story from a none Apple centric website:

http://www.kait8.com/story/30882469...ngement-suit-against-apple-inc-and-fitbit-inc

To be fair to @kcirtap00 the original article didn't include the information about Fitbit, it was only added after the editors were made aware that Fitbit were also being sued by Valencell.

 

[developer13245]

Let's not get our heart rates up..your Apple watches might panic..

.... then (continue to) fail.

 

[Baumi]

Likewise, it baffles me when people start defending Apple and trashing Valencell, whilst knowing zip amazes me.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Without more details, it's impossible to decide whether the suit has any merit.

IMHO, using an out-of-context Jobs quote to bolster their case doesn't reflect well on Valencell, though.

 

[Kajje]

Sounds like what happened to Pied Piper

Just what I was thinking! Brain raped!

 

[macsmurf]

that was 5 years after the Mac was released -- Xerox saw the success of the Mac, got greedy, and decided they wanted a bigger piece of the pie than the mere $1MM they had traded originally (since they were too dumb to realize GUI was the future).

this is old history.

further, Apple added a ton of stuff resulting in Mac OS being a much better OS. read from the guys in the room:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.txt

Wrong:

By the end of the 1970s, Apple had a staff of computer designers and a production line. The company introduced the Apple III in May 1980 in an attempt to compete with IBM and Microsoft in the business and corporate computing market.[31] Jobs and several Apple employees, including Jef Raskin, visited Xerox PARC in December 1979 to see the Xerox Alto. Xerox granted Apple engineers three days of access to the PARC facilities in return for the option to buy 100,000 shares (800,000 split-adjusted shares) of Apple at the pre-IPO price of $10 a share.
​

Reference to (Ta Da!):

Landley, Rob (September 18, 2000). "Fool.com: How Xerox Forfeited the PC War". The Motley Fool. Archived from the original on July 23, 2008. Retrieved August 12,2008.​

Apparently Xerox disagrees (Source InfoWorld January 1, 1990, Volume 12, Issue 1):

 

[maceric]

So they are sueing Apple over technology that clearly doesn't work as it's supposed to.
Well, maybe Apple will be forced to change this for Apple Watch 2 into something that actually delivers accurate results ...

I agree - I had my Watch Sport replaced 3 times all with inaccurate heart rate sensors. They finally allowed me to return for a full refund including the Apple Care. I'm not going to get the Watch 2 unless this feature actually works.

 

[AntonLee]

Clearly Apple stole their technology,. They have done this before with Xerox and countless other companies.
Now let Apple apologists, defend Apple

"Clearly" "stole"

 

[Popeye206]

Sound like a fact to me. I just saw the expose on Jobs and Apple's corporate malfeasance which includes slave labor in China and billions in offshore account aka double Irish. It would not surprise me to find out that apple stole technology and violated copyrights.

Knowing what I know now I can't see myself buying Apple products.

LOL! Yeah right. You obviously believe everything you see on the internet.

Glad to to hear you won't buy any Apple products... but why the hell are you one here? Just to be a PITA I'm sure.

BTW... what computer or cell phone do you own? I'm guessing you probably own something built at the same plant that Apple uses... you do know HP, Microsoft, Samsung and others use the same "slave labor" assembly plant as Apple?

 

[alexgowers]

This sounds like it needs to go to court to see evidence. I'm sure apple might have decided to do this and pay them in court but they also may have not done this and merely looked into all companies that offered the tech to see which performed best etc.

If you own a company why the hell would you send samples of patented ideas out? I mean you almost are asking to get ripped off? People/companies don't get to the top by being nice and playing fair. Apple has a history of taking the piss with deals, not paying royalties on apple music on free period for example!

 

[I7guy]

Wow - I came in just to read the posts blindly defending Apple and trashing this company. Responses seem unusually level headed...

You meant blindly trashing apple and defending this company?

 

[GenesisST]

Playing the Devil's advocate means you are either representing the Devil or pretending to. Neither ends well...

FWIW
DLM

Ok, I'll bite...
Wow... just wow... It's an expression, FFS. Means I will represent the other side of the argument for the sake of discussion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_advocate

 

[tooltalk]

Apple clearly stole this...yet you know so little about the Xerox PARC deal that you think Apple stole that too? FYI, Apple traded stock for Xerox's stuff, they willingly handed it over, and many employees at Apple at the time were from Xerox PARC to begin with. I don't know why people like yourself always speak as if you know what you're talking about then follow it up with "now defend that, apologists". You're flat out wrong, people are pointing it out, it might seem like defensiveness to you...because you're likely wrong all of the time considering the "facts" you just presented.

Xerox bought Apple's pre-IPO stocks for the two PARC demos -- Jobs was on the second visit. There was no licensing agreement signed -- Sun Microsystem and Metaphor Computer Systems Inc are the only known legit licensees.

There were not "many." The only "PARC insider" at Apple -- though never employed by the lab -- who knew about the PARC's innovation at the point was Jef Raskin, the father of Macintosh.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Xerox bought Apple's pre-IPO stocks for the two PARC demos -- Jobs was on the second visit. There was no licensing agreement signed -- Sun Microsystem and Metaphor Computer Systems Inc are the only known legit licensees.

There were not "many." The only "PARC insider" at Apple -- though never employed by the lab -- who knew about the PARC's innovation at the point was Jef Raskin, the father of Macintosh.

Bill Atkinson was also at Apple, FYI. I never mentioned a licensing agreement, it wasn't needed. Never mentioned which time Jobs visited, also unnecessary.
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This sounds like it needs to go to court to see evidence. I'm sure apple might have decided to do this and pay them in court but they also may have not done this and merely looked into all companies that offered the tech to see which performed best etc.

If you own a company why the hell would you send samples of patented ideas out? I mean you almost are asking to get ripped off? People/companies don't get to the top by being nice and playing fair. Apple has a history of taking the piss with deals, not paying royalties on apple music on free period for example!

Sounds like it needs to go to court? Any accusation should go to court before coming to a conclusion like many here have already done.

 

[tooltalk]

Bill Atkinson was also at Apple, FYI. I never mentioned a licensing agreement, it wasn't needed. Never mentioned which time Jobs visited, also unnecessary.

Bill Atkinson was never employed or knew much about the work being done at PARC until the visit -- Atkinson was Jef Raskin's student at UCSD and it was Raskin who hired him. Is that unnecessary too? what does that have anything to do with the fact that Apple had only one PARC insider, not "many"?