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janey said:
It might be writing stuff to disk, but again, I've never force quitted Azureus, so I don't know :(


cool thanks for the tip for turning off the extra torrent file, but as for the force quit.

I wait for the torrent to stop downloading, seed it for a bit, stop it, clear all the torrents. Go to quit..and nothin...so I got to force quit...that can't be good.

So, it's back to Transmission for me.
 
Pretty much unconnected to this thread, but in the latest TWIT podcast, they mention a rumour that Leopard will have torrenting built in.
 
plinden said:
Pretty much unconnected to this thread, but in the latest TWIT podcast, they mention a rumour that Leopard will have torrenting built in.
That was a MOSR rumor, and as far as I'm concerned, anything they say should be taken with the biggest boulder of salt you can find.
 
quigleybc said:
I wait for the torrent to stop downloading, seed it for a bit, stop it, clear all the torrents. Go to quit..and nothin...so I got to force quit...that can't be good.
Same thing here, although after I goto Quit and it appears to do nothing, ... if I leave it alone, it'll eventually Quit. I figure it's doing some housekeeping.

Is there a way with Transmission or Azureus to stop sharing after you hit a certain ratio? My computer never goes to sleep because of this. I don't mind oversharing, but when it's like 20 UL to 1 DL, I'd rather have it quit and let my system sleep. :)
 
aristobrat said:
Same thing here, although after I goto Quit and it appears to do nothing, ... if I leave it alone, it'll eventually Quit. I figure it's doing some housekeeping.




Hmmm, I'll have to try that....i'm impatient.

Still doesnt' explain why I can't close the sub menues.

like when you drop in a new torrent, a new window opens...asking you where to save..and other options..and you SHould be able to click "ok" and it will close, and the torrent starts to download. Well the torrent starts to download just fine. But the window doesn't close..drives me nuts..
 
I'm trying to switch to Transmission.. It doesn't seem faster than Bits On Wheels though. Is there a good port out there? The default is 9090 and not really getting me good results. Although I do like Transmission's simplicity, a la Mac.
 
Philberttheduck said:
I'm trying to switch to Transmission.. It doesn't seem faster than Bits On Wheels though. Is there a good port out there? The default is 9090 and not really getting me good results. Although I do like Transmission's simplicity, a la Mac.



It varies..the 9090 port on Transmission, has been crazy fast for me sometimes...and average at other times...guess it all depends on the seeder/s
 
aristobrat said:
Is there a way with Transmission or Azureus to stop sharing after you hit a certain ratio? My computer never goes to sleep because of this. I don't mind oversharing, but when it's like 20 UL to 1 DL, I'd rather have it quit and let my system sleep. :)
Don't remember if Transmission has it, but Az has an ignore feature for torrents meeting certain requirements. It's in the Queue option of the Preferences, under Seeding. Check out the "Ignore torrents that have a share ratio of..." option.

Keep in mind that BitTorrent is NOT a download-only method of sharing :) The protocol works in that you have to be sharing in order to download most effectively. The more you share, the better your download speed should theoretically be. If you end up uploading like 3x what you wanted to download, you need to find another place to get your torrents :p

Also, the torrent is never going to go any faster than the amount being uploaded. In an ideal world, and in certain private torrent communities, the swarm speed can go into the several mB/s, but otherwise, you're not going to be downloading more than whatever the people you're connected to have, at the speed they're uploading to you.

If you find that you consistently get really crappy speeds, try these:

1. Make sure your ports are forwarded correctly. Portforward.com has instructions for many routers, including the Apple ones. You can verify this on some trackers (connectable/clever/...sometimes they list port numbers if you are and nothing otherwise), or with certain torrent clients (I think Az and BoW, as well as the mainline client (official bittorrent one) can show you - although mainline only shows you how you're connected to the peers, but that's just as good). Port forwarding is very important, as this determines the peers you connect to and how fast you connect to them. i.e. if you can't connect to a seeder, you have to rely on peers who are to get the files from the seeder, which slows you down even more if you're not connected to a lot of peers, etc. Do NOT use the default ports of 6881-6889. Instead choose something between 1024 and 65535. A lot of sites block the default 6881-6889.

2. Before you grab a torrent, check the number of seeders (the peers who have 100% of the torrent) and leechers (the peers who have not yet completed the torrent). If there's 1 seeder uploading at 10kb/s to like 40 leechers, obviously it would be slow.

3. Check multiple trackers for the torrent you're looking for. Make sure the torrents aren't using the same tracker (a site that keeps track of torrents, the peers on the torrents, etc.), you might be able to find a few torrents where one tracker has more seeds on a similar torrent compared to another tracker's different-but-same-content torrent.

4. Check to see if it's a private torrent. Most private trackers and their members are very anal about non-members using torrents from their site, and sometimes require that uploaded torrents have special info in the torrent about where to get information about a peer and such in order to restrict usage by non-members.

5. Upload. Upload, upload, upload. Restricting your upload speed to <1kB/s isn't going to help you unless you're the only leecher on a torrent with 100 seeders. It isn't going to help you from a realistic point of view considering how peers do not upload as much to you if you don't send them anything in return (or, you send them bad data..which is worse). The best upload speed to set it to is 80% of your average max upload speed. Some clients like Az have plugins where you can have the max upload speed in your torrent client change based on the time of day, if it's too much of a hassle to change it yourself. But the 80% is in order to not saturate all your available bandwidth. If you upload beyond what your connection can handle, your download speed, as well as your regular surfing the web (like to MR forums :D ) will suffer mightily. Keep in mind however that most ISPs worldwide advertise their speeds in kb/s (bits) and not kB/s (bytes), and most torrent clients choke your speeds in kB/s or kiB/s. If you get something like 8000/512 on a speed test, divide the 512 by 8 and you'll get a rough estimate as to what your max upload from your ISP is in the right measurement. Upload settings can be found in every single client. Dig around in Preferences, etc.

6. Seed. This isn't going to help you downloading, but if you were frustrated while downloading a torrent, why not help out and share a little bit. Usually the best ratio (uploaded/downloaded ratio) to seed to is around 1.0, where you upload as much as you've downloaded. On private sites, just seed as much as you can. :p

7. Limit the number of torrents you have open. The more torrents, the less effectively you'll be able to upload or download. Take it easy, 2-4 torrents downloading at a time is a good number, although it's pushing it a little if you're on a slow connection. If you're seeding, unless there are no leechers, don't have too many torrents open. Make sure you're connectable for all the torrents (although, a blue/yellow face in Azureus is okay if there are no peers).

8. On the same note as #7, limit your max upload slots per torrent. Start with 2-3, and as your upload speed is higher go up, but not much higher than 10 (unless you're on FIOS). This will ensure that if you do upload, you're going to be uploading a lot to a smaller number of peers, raising your download speed. (Transfer preferences in Azureus)

9. Similarly to #8, limit the connections per torrent and globally, if you can. A good number to start at is around 100-200, go up as your upload/download speeds go up. (Transfer preferences in Azureus)

10. Check your ISP. Some of them dislike the usage of BitTorrent, and hence block/filter info from the known BitTorrent ports (6881-6889) or any data sent from a BitTorrent client. In that case, if it's for a legitimate use, get Azureus, and turn on encrypted transport in Preferences > Connection > Transport Encryption.

11. Update your client. Old versions of clients are usually old for a reason. Check the respective developer site for new versions, or turn on automatic updating/update notices. Some sites ban all clients that are more than a minor version different from the current version just because older versions are unstable/insecure/doesn't support certain features. If your client is too old (like, half a year old..or based on the last major version of BitTorrent), go get a newer one. (*coughs in the direction of BitsOnWheels*)

Hopefully some of those hints will help you guys :)
 
haha why thank you :)
im considering converting that to a guide, considering how many times the bittorrent question comes up and people seem to know nothing about what's going on ( :confused: )
 
janey said:
haha why thank you :)
im considering converting that to a guide, considering how many times the bittorrent question comes up and people seem to know nothing about what's going on ( :confused: )


Ya that would be a good idea...

Bit Torrent rules, and it rules for many more things than illegal crap..

Like eTree.com

legal concert torrent site...

Anyway, for the guide, it would be good to put emphasis on simpifing the whole "port forwarding" concept...all the sites that people link you to for that info are so friggin complex....so a super simple guide about setting your ports would be a good thing.

Just make sure people know that Azureus (although the most sophisticated) isn't the only client out there (we all know how much you like Az LOL....):D
 
quigleybc said:
Anyway, for the guide, it would be good to put emphasis on simpifing the whole "port forwarding" concept...all the sites that people link you to for that info are so friggin complex....so a super simple guide about setting your ports would be a good thing.
Well my main problem with that is that routers are ALL different in how you forward ports, so I don't want to go about doing that when websites like portforward.com already do the job pretty well. Easier to explain the site than to do guides for all the major routers and setups...(several dozen, at least).

quigleybc said:
Just make sure people know that Azureus (although the most sophisticated) isn't the only client out there (we all know how much you like Az LOL....):D
:D haha. My main point with Az is that it's following the protocol correctly and it's advanced. The only two clients you will see me recommend right now are Az and mainline. Why recommend something that looks pretty (*cough* transmission, bow) and isn't in Java ("ewww!"?! wtf, where did that whole "eww" thing come from anyway..) if it doesnt work right? It's your loss, especially if you're bitching about speeds, because most Windows and Linux clients can follow protocols correctly, and if your client can't (like the perpetually popular transmission and BoW)...oh well then. I think there's really no point in having a pretty little piece of s**t because in the end, it's still s**t.
 
Sweetfeld28 said:
It might not be free now, but when i started using it, it was. Dosen't the download button on the site still let you download the trial nagware version?

I could be wrong, its been a while since i bought the program.


Add me to the list of happy Acquisition users. Liked it well enough to buy it..
 
janey said:
I think there's really no point in having a pretty little piece of s**t because in the end, it's still s**t.



Yikes....:D

i also want to add, that i don't use Transmission because it's pretty....I use it because it is simple, light on resources...and I don't need to fiddle with a ton of settings and sub menus. That being said I have gone back to use Az now with the site that banned Transmission.
 
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