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Black Clipping On Apple Watch Sport
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Mine and my GF's watch has the clipping but when we do screen shots and view them on an iPhone, they have no clipping. I would like to see a photo of an apple Watch with Solar face without the clipping. I don't think it exists.
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According to Displaymate, the display on the Sport is superior to the Sapphire in the SS and Edition.
Did you not read my post? I saw firsthand today a sport model running 1.0 software with no clipping. I compared it directly to my SS with clipping. It's quite obvious.
As to display mate saying the sport screen is better; this thread is titled "clipping in sport watch". The OP was the first to discuss it.
That's all hear say. Show me proof of an Apple Watch that doesn't have it. I don't mean screen shots either.
You can change brightness. The O-Led screen will always handle blacks differently, it is the nature of this type screen.
A screen shot is really making a copy of the display data from a frame/memory buffer, so it a "pure" representation of the image without any impact from the physical display bias/limitations/etc.
The idea here is that the data is present, but the OLED display isn't properly displaying it, unlike viewing the captured image on your phone, computer.
Just when I think I've seen people get as obsessively anal as they can get about the most trivial thing, these forums prove me wrong. I'm sometimes think people want something to be wrong.
Whatever dude. I'm a lead photo retoucher at a top NYC retouching studio with 15 years of experience as a retoucher and 25 years as a photographer. I spend 50 hours a week obsessing over things like gradients and black points for a living. But what do I know?
It may be hearsay to you, but I saw what I saw (and so did the OP), but since you have an attitude about it, I have no inclination to bother proving anything to you.
Really? It is trivial when a display is clipping off image data? If you received an Apple Watch with a low resolution (non-retina) screen while others were retina, would that be trivial? What we are talking about here is the entire way the watch displays color... Something that will only become more important as the custom photograph wallpapers and more visual apps are released. If color is trivial, then why not just get an e-ink Pebble?
I switched to Android last year and, quite literally, the only thing that brought me back to the iPhone and now Apple Watch was color accuracy. They are far closer to accurate than other phones. As a photographer and cinematographer, I not only need to be able to show someone a mostly accurate representation, I need to be able to proof how my client will see my photos when they check the samples on their iPhone. Interesting note: I have never worked with a client that isn't on an iPhone.
The screen is a fundamental thing that Apple usually gets right (though I believe it was one of the iPad Mini versions that has a FAR reduced color gamut). Headphone sound quality is another fundamental thing. Android typically drops the ball on color accuracy and headphone volume output. I actually liked Android but it was color accuracy and that alone that brought me back.
New features and gimmicks are cool, but you have to get the fundamentals right first.
EDIT: it should be noted that I received a dented iPhone 5 out of the box on launch day two years ago during that whole scuffing situation. It was literally dented (and also badly scuffed). Apple sent out an express replacement but the screen on the replacement was insanely different than the original. Entire sections of my photos were blown out to pure white and color was extremely muted. I kept the dented phone rather than keep trying to get the right display manufacturer. It was probably within some kind of color tolerance Apple was willing to accept, but I wasnt keeping an inferior display just for cosmetic damage. That dented iPhone 5 went on to have the battery die randomly (Apple issued a recall). Then the home button stopped working (Apple issued a recall). That was a lemon of an upgrade cycle for me and what drove me to try Android. But THAT screen quality.
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Calm down. You didn't have to give your credentials. I'm just asking for proof of this anomaly. That's it. Photoshopping doesn't count. Anybody can photoshop something. Does that make it more credible? I don't think so. I just looking for real examples.
I bought a second watch at the Apple Store yesterday and in comparison to the watch I already had from release day the display is much worse, almost to the point that the new watch seems like a knock-off. My first watch has that great almost painted on laminated display look, and the new unit does not have that level of quality at all.
There is a huge difference in color contrast and gamma, and the new watch has the problem with gradients shown in this thread. It seems that it is just not able to produce the same color depth as my first watch. What I noticed right away was that in the Astronomy face you cant even make out the orbit circles clearly.
Anyone who thinks this is just fussing or too anal just hasn't seen the issue for themselves. Having two watches here to do a comparison makes the problem very clear, and it is greater to the naked eye than in the pics.
I actually made another thread about this and posted this pic which gives an example of the differences, new watch on the left:
There is a huge difference in color contrast and gamma, and the new watch has the problem with gradients shown in this thread. It seems that it is just not able to produce the same color depth as my first watch. What I noticed right away was that in the Astronomy face you cant even make out the orbit circles clearly.
Anyone who thinks this is just fussing or too anal just hasn't seen the issue for themselves. Having two watches here to do a comparison makes the problem very clear, and it is greater to the naked eye than in the pics.
I actually made another thread about this and posted this pic which gives an example of the differences, new watch on the left:
I also have this problem, thought I was imagining it! (42mm SS)
I've had 3 replacement watches last two exhibit this issue but from memory the first (launch day) did not.
1st watch was running 1.0, 2nd and 3rd running 1.0.1, so maybe it can be fixed via an update...
I've had 3 replacement watches last two exhibit this issue but from memory the first (launch day) did not.
1st watch was running 1.0, 2nd and 3rd running 1.0.1, so maybe it can be fixed via an update...
Hm, just checked my 42mm SS AW. Clearly can see black clipping. Best way to notice it is to set solar face and twist the crown to get the sun moving. Then you can see it being a circle with very clear edge. Screenshots show much better gradient of course.
Wondering if it's a software issue - maybe they are trying to save battery. Say if it's 5% bright or below, set to full black. Pixel completely off = no energy drain. Just hoping it's the case.
Also, tried it on my wife's 38mm AWS. It's even more pronounced there. She got hers launch day, I got mine 5/29. Both running watchOS 1.0.1.
The picture below is not that great, but you can clearly see how the one with blue band has very clear circle with like no gradient. SS on left is better, but still visible. Both set to max brightness.
Being that 2 watches are different, it's hard to believe it's software issue then.
Anyway, it's too much picking. Actual UI and stuff looks fine on both. Just need to get this out of my head, lol.
P.S. Sorry for hairy wrist, but being around this forum you probably seen bunch.
Wondering if it's a software issue - maybe they are trying to save battery. Say if it's 5% bright or below, set to full black. Pixel completely off = no energy drain. Just hoping it's the case.
Also, tried it on my wife's 38mm AWS. It's even more pronounced there. She got hers launch day, I got mine 5/29. Both running watchOS 1.0.1.
The picture below is not that great, but you can clearly see how the one with blue band has very clear circle with like no gradient. SS on left is better, but still visible. Both set to max brightness.
Being that 2 watches are different, it's hard to believe it's software issue then.
Anyway, it's too much picking. Actual UI and stuff looks fine on both. Just need to get this out of my head, lol.
P.S. Sorry for hairy wrist, but being around this forum you probably seen bunch.
Hm, just checked my 42mm SS AW. Clearly can see black clipping. Best way to notice it is to set solar face and twist the crown to get the sun moving. Then you can see it being a circle with very clear edge. Screenshots show much better gradient of course.
Wondering if it's a software issue - maybe they are trying to save battery. Say if it's 5% bright or below, set to full black. Pixel completely off = no energy drain. Just hoping it's the case.
Also, tried it on my wife's 38mm AWS. It's even more pronounced there. She got hers launch day, I got mine 5/29. Both running watchOS 1.0.1.
The picture below is not that great, but you can clearly see how the one with blue band has very clear circle with like no gradient. SS on left is better, but still visible. Both set to max brightness.
Being that 2 watches are different, it's hard to believe it's software issue then.
Anyway, it's too much picking. Actual UI and stuff looks fine on both. Just need to get this out of my head, lol.
P.S. Sorry for hairy wrist, but being around this forum you probably seen bunch.
Thanks for posting a picture, its really visible on the sport on the left, are you keeping them?
I just checked again and I have the clipping too on the solar display on max brightness when I turn the crown and make the sun move across the display. Mine is a launch day watch. I can't remember the production week. It's running the 1.0.1 update.
The funny thing is I checked last night when I ran across this thread and didn't see clipping! I'm going to check again later in the day.
My husband's not up yet so I can't compare but as I recall his 42 mm display is nicer than mine. There's slightly more clarity and contrast. I just thought it was because his display is larger.
Oh well I can at least see the rings on my astronomy display, so I'm good. I run the modular display almost exclusively and that looks great so I'm happy. I'm more picky about iPhone and iPad displays because it really aggravates my migraine condition if those are not good. Fortunately I've always been lucky to get perfect displays on the first try with those.
The funny thing is I checked last night when I ran across this thread and didn't see clipping! I'm going to check again later in the day.
My husband's not up yet so I can't compare but as I recall his 42 mm display is nicer than mine. There's slightly more clarity and contrast. I just thought it was because his display is larger.
Oh well I can at least see the rings on my astronomy display, so I'm good. I run the modular display almost exclusively and that looks great so I'm happy. I'm more picky about iPhone and iPad displays because it really aggravates my migraine condition if those are not good. Fortunately I've always been lucky to get perfect displays on the first try with those.
That comparison photo approximates the difference I noticed between my watch display and my husband's. His was slightly better with color contrast and there's a bit more crispness in focus to his texts than mine. But my orbit circles are more clear than the one on your SG watch. The difference between my husband's display and mine are not enough to bother me.
I just checked solar face again and now that the sun is actually in the high position and I'm not forcing it there with a turn of the crown the clipping is barely noticeable. I'm not even sure there is any. When I forced it last night it was really noticeable. I can't figure it out beyond guessing that viewing it in daylight vs a darker room at night makes a difference.
I'm exiting this discussion because I don't think I'm helping any and I'm fine with it as is, so for me any clipping that may crop up is a non issue.
I'm exiting this discussion because I don't think I'm helping any and I'm fine with it as is, so for me any clipping that may crop up is a non issue.
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