Well they and you better get used to it. Don't be such a racist little turd. I love my X61 tablet and my MBP equally.
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Well they and you better get used to it. Don't be such a racist little turd. I love my X61 tablet and my MBP equally.
That's my point. Europeans and Japanese usually don't praise Chinese products as most Americans do.
That's not convincing at all. Can you cite any sources?
It's apparent, you didn't do any research since the only part probably not made in China is the processor.
It's how funny you're so ignorant.
That didn't confirm your point in any way.
SnowLeopard2008 said:
Here we go again with the megahertz myth!
SnowLeopard2008 said:
And the same can to said about you're attitude and your Apple fanboyness.
That's not convincing at all. Can you cite any sources?
It's apparent, you didn't do any research since the only part probably not made in China is the processor.
It's how funny you're so ignorant.
That didn't confirm your point in any way.
Here we go again with the megahertz myth!
And the same can to said about you're attitude and your Apple fanboyness.
I'm not gonna argue with you here, but clearly you didn't do your research before you criticized me.
I think modern factories, in China and the US and in Europe, has standardized quality assurance.
Let's take another product. Guitars, for instance. I have played for over 30 years and at times past, before computers, guitars were at least partially handmade. American and Japanese guitars were clearly superior to guitars made in Taiwan and South Korea.
But today, one can buy excellent instruments of professional quality from the U.S., Japan, South Korea, and China. Sure we know many pros use great guitars from the US (Les Paul Standards, Paul Reed Smiths) and Japan (Ibanez JEMS and George Benson signature models), but my Korean made ESP/LTD Viper 301 with EMG-HZ pickups is a very good guitar and it was made in South Korea but invented/patented in Japan. Many revolutionary features are on that guitar. My Ibanez Artcore AS-73 semi-hollowbody made in China is also a great guitar.
Sure the US made SG Standard is better than my ESP/LTD Viper 301 and a Gibson 335 is better than my Ibanez AS-73, but I sound just the same since I am a very good guitar player, but only because I have played, gigged, and recorded for so long. But I would even approve of a Chinese made Ibanez for a beginner as an electric guitar and I think they could use it as a quality starter guitar or outright use it up to gigging and recording for money.
This analogy and story can be said in the same way towards computers. China's star is moving up in the world. I hope their human rights catch up.
I made an argument refuting you in a long post. But now here is one supporting you. Yes, I am a law student
, but I have a business. I make clothes/clothing accessories as a real job.There is no doubt, that on average, clothes in Europe, U.S., and Japan are consistently of better quality than what is made in China.
In the genre my wife and I are in, sports leisure clothing, the Italians have it all over the competition any day of the week. I could not see China ever making a running/walking shoe anywhere in the same category as an Italian made Mephisto tennis shoe/cross trainer/walker. Of course, the Italian Mephisto will set you back between $200-$300 dollars.
I made an argument refuting you in a long post. But now here is one supporting you. Yes, I am a law student
There is no doubt, that on average, clothes in Europe, U.S., and Japan are consistently of better quality than what is made in China.
In the genre my wife and I are in, sports leisure clothing, the Italians have it all over the competition any day of the week. I could not see China ever making a running/walking shoe anywhere in the same category as an Italian made Mephisto tennis shoe/cross trainer/walker. Of course, the Italian Mephisto will set you back between $200-$300 dollars.
All I'm trying to say is:
If you are given a chance to choose between products made in Japan, Germany, Taiwan, Italy, US and China, which one would you pick?
OK, here is my MBA student side argument.
Usually, if it is an American company making stuff overseas, 75 cents falls into American hands for every gross dollar, if we are talking about China or India as a subcontractor.
However, if it is an American company making stuff in the USA, almost all of the montey goes into American hands. But some American companies with American computer products have Taiwanese motherboard components and RAM.
Yes, I would buy USA, but by no means are the made in China things, from US companies, only profiting China. But Lenovo, made in China, is now a Chinese company. I would buy any US PC if I had to go the PC route.
Lenovo makes a fine laptop, but I want to help people more like HP, Compaq, and ACER if I were to buy a traditional PC. At this juncture, we can use every penny for the USA.
OK, here is my MBA student side argument.
Usually, if it is an American company making stuff overseas, 75 cents falls into American hands for every gross dollar, if we are talking about China or India as a subcontractor.
However, if it is an American company making stuff in the USA, almost all of the montey goes into American hands. But some American companies with American computer products have Taiwanese motherboard components and RAM.
Yes, I would buy USA, but by no means are the made in China things, from US companies, only profiting China. But Lenovo, made in China, is now a Chinese company. I would buy any US PC if I had to go the PC route.
Lenovo makes a fine laptop, but I want to help people more like HP, Compaq, and ACER if I were to buy a traditional PC. At this juncture, we can use every penny for the USA.
Same here. The last thing I would do is to let Chinese earn their money instead of the US. Definitely go over every single US brand before I would even think of Lenovo (which btw is just a awful name). I don't care how good of computers they make, I just don't want to let them earn my money. Interesting fact is, Quanta, a Taiwanese computer manufacturer, contracts with Apple, Dell, HP, and many major computer companies, so they're basically earning everybody's money...
3 questions:
1. why are we off topic?
2. why are we verbally attacking china??
3. and why are we verbally attacking china in a MACBOOK FORUM???
China makes many great products. My issue with China is the unwillingness to let Tibet be free.
At some point, international pressure on China to let Tibet go will get to be too much for China to hang onto them.
Perhaps some agreement could be made between China and Tibet where they have separate governments but fly under the same flag. There is definitely a middle ground to all of this. It doesn't have to be completely one way or the other.
GOOD POINT -- i loose LOL
but we still shouldnt be doing it on a macbook forum... but yes i do think its wrong for them to pressure tibet.
GOOD POINT -- i loose LOL
but we still shouldnt be doing it on a macbook forum... but yes i do think its wrong for them to pressure tibet.
I think somewhere during these Olympics, press for Tibet will reach those for the first time who have no idea of the issues there.
Though China calls themselves communist, it's only a name tag. They are starting to act more and more like a modern democracy and it is Tibet's most opportune time to come to the table. This fall the two sides are going to officially meet, again, for a win-win situation.
Clinton has always backed peace over there as had Bush Jr. From what I have heard, Obama and McCain also see great interest in seeing China move forward as a modern democracy.
Call it good or not, but Chinese companies have pull within the government resembling the way the Fortune 500 does on the major U.S. parties. Gone are the days when there is a Mao who has total control.
Anyway, in the long run, picking on Tibet is simply bad business for China.
Ha...I cannot believe we talked from computers comparison to China pressing Tibet. In general, I want to believe there are good people in China, but the Chinese government is just a bad ass. I feel sorry for Chinese people and those neighboring countries/regions, such as Tibet, Taiwan, etc. The Chinese people, in no way, should feel proud of their government and country, at least not until they have true democracy.
Most of the "pro-Tibetans" don't know nearly enough about the history and the conditions of the military occupancy, I don't either so I'm not going to defend either side but just keep in mind that what you see on the news is just what gets to the headlines.
Lenovo makes some of the best and most reliable PCs on the market, however compared with a macbook, they are two different products. Price points aside, for your usage, I'd either buy a macbook or run linux on another portable, x300 is expensive for your particular need
Lenovo makes some of the best and most reliable PCs on the market, however compared with a macbook, they are two different products. Price points aside, for your usage, I'd either buy a macbook or run linux on another portable, x300 is expensive for your particular need
Well...let me just make it straight. There's NO WAY to justify killing innocent people.