.... Because the majority of third-party Milanese loop bands do not include a DLC on the band itself. It’s a more expensive process to manufacture, which consumers wouldn’t know what it is anyway if it’s missing.
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.... Because the majority of third-party Milanese loop bands do not include a DLC on the band itself. It’s a more expensive process to manufacture, which consumers wouldn’t know what it is anyway if it’s missing.
Stock charger in a support stand, cord is a lot shorter than my orignal charger, barely makes it to the floor. Can't remember the maker, got it at the Apple store years ago.
See my lawsuit against Apple regarding that very specific issue. They ended up settling.
Apple knows what they've done.
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Apple knows what they've done.
Toronto Man Files Lawsuit Against Apple Over Scratches on Apple Watch [u] | iPhone in Canada
A Toronto man has sued Apple over allegations his consumer rights were violated by Apple Watch and its
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Apple Files Defence Against Toronto Man’s Apple Watch Lawsuit [u] | iPhone in Canada
Apple has responded to a Toronto man's Apple Watch lawsuit, which claimed the wearable was not supposed to scratch.
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I read the attached articles and here’s my thoughts:
1.) It says Apple settled with you ‘outside’ Of court, which tells us nothing in terms of what they actually compensated you for, Especially given what they offered you.
2.) I seriously doubt they went ‘over and beyond’ with your attitude and your response that you ‘laughed’ at the fact that they tried to offer to replace your Apple Watch with a free accessory. Apple like any other major corporation is prepared to deal with lawsuits on a daily basis, that’s why they have a whole legal team that does nothing handle litigation, I know you think you ‘won’, but in reality, you didn’t prove anything.
3.) You said in your post, ‘they know what they’ve done’, (Whatever that means) I doubt Apple even knew for the longest period of time that the Milanese loop DLC had the potential to scratch the Apple Watch _until_ it was it was brought to their attention, I’m sure it was addressed with their engineering team, but what would you expect them to do? Just completely discontinue the black Milanese loop because one person comes forward with some complaint about a scratch to their Apple Watch?
I’m not trying to pick on you, but the article(s) leaves a lot of open Ended questions and holes in the actual outcome versus what you were trying to prove.
Secondly, the black Milanese loop may have the potential to scratch the Apple Watch, but the question is, [outside the fact that they compensated you,] you couldn’t prove that Apple actually knew the black Milanese loop had the potential to scratch the Apple Watch until it was addressed after the fact.
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How nice of you to defend a trillion dollar corporation like that. I'm sure they really need and appreciate the help.
That’s Ok that you see it that way, but I’m a realist, and everything I said points out the truths given what one ‘lawsuit’ was about a scratch to the Apple Watch from the black Milanese loop. That’s perfectly fine that you don’t agree with my post, but don’t try to twist it into something Otherwise by interjecting snark That offers no substance to this discussiob, simply because you see it as I’m ‘defending Apple’, versus indicating the many holes in that members main argument.
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1) Unfortunately for obvious reasons, I can't say what I got out of it, but I can definitely say that it was a happy ending for me. Interpret that however you want.
2) It's not about going above and beyond, it's about not lying about claims made about a product and about selling a complementary product that will damage the product. Real persons do not not have to react positively or act nice with legal persons, especially when that legal person doesn't own up to their errors.
And yes, I won. I got (more than) what I wanted, and other Apple Watch owners were made aware of the issue.
3) They knew because at the time many people were complaining about it, and still are, and the issue is still unresolved. They also certainly knew after I brought it in store to explain the problem, and sent an email to the store manager. Their decision to ignore the evidence and follow the AppleCare process rather than logic was their own decision.
You say "I'm sure it was addressed with their engineering team", wrong, two years later the Series 5 Apple Watch Edition Ceramic is still scratched by the new redesigned Milanese loop.
Also concerning your last point... One person reporting the issue and Apple not doing anything qualifies as Apple knowing. Other people had already reported the issues through the AppleCare channels so yes, Apple knew at that point. I don't know where you're from, but in Canada, civil lawsuits are on a balance of probabilities, I didn't need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Apple did, but only put forward evidence that Apple might have known.
Fun fact: in their defense, Apple never actually said they didn't know about it, probably for the reasons mentioned above.
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Is new Apple original graphite color Milanese loop still abrasive and not safe to use with aluminum AW?
I have Space Grey aluminium AW and I was considering Graphite Milanese loop for it but I just realized it says in the product description it has PVD coating, the same type of coating iPhone 12 Pro's have and I noticed that the PVD coated steel rim on the side of the phone actually scratches aluminum watch even with the slightest touch, it does not even need to scrubbed hard against it. I was amazed to learn how easily it causes the damage.
Also if PVD damages aluminum AW, doesn't it then scratch the rails on the watch by just connecting the loop to the watch?
I just notice that Apple Silver color Milanese loop does not mention about PVD coating, so I assume it is base steel (?) and I was wondering if that would be safer choice even not matching color for Space Grey?
My other family member has 3rd party silver milanese loop and it has not scratched AW but not sure if Apple original is different than 3rd party loops in silver too?
I have Space Grey aluminium AW and I was considering Graphite Milanese loop for it but I just realized it says in the product description it has PVD coating, the same type of coating iPhone 12 Pro's have and I noticed that the PVD coated steel rim on the side of the phone actually scratches aluminum watch even with the slightest touch, it does not even need to scrubbed hard against it. I was amazed to learn how easily it causes the damage.
Also if PVD damages aluminum AW, doesn't it then scratch the rails on the watch by just connecting the loop to the watch?
I just notice that Apple Silver color Milanese loop does not mention about PVD coating, so I assume it is base steel (?) and I was wondering if that would be safer choice even not matching color for Space Grey?
My other family member has 3rd party silver milanese loop and it has not scratched AW but not sure if Apple original is different than 3rd party loops in silver too?
Thanks. I guess it is wise to go with silver Milanese loop then? Is aluminium watch and its screen able to tolerate some inevitable "touches" of the silver Milanese loop without damage right away? I'll try to avoid that but I'm pretty sure it will happen time to time accidently. I was shocked to learn even iPhone 12 Pro PVD coated steel rim scratched the watch immediately even they barely touched each other.
Apple original Silver Milanese loop is bare stainless steel without coating really?
As I said other family member has 3rd party loops and no issues with scratching with them.
I guess Silver Milanese loop with Space Grey aluminium AW could look nice and contrasty (even I'm more like matching color type of person usually), like classic black and chrome combination? Anyone else using this combination and how they like it?
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It's the aluminium model, I've had two stainless steel models, and never had the screen scratched with the original milanese watchband that came with the watch, and I use a lot that watchband
I guess aluminium should resist scratching even better since anodized aluminium is harder than stainless steel? But the display in aluminium models is very scratch prone and likely easiest to damage. I use display protector, so I guess that combination would be safer for possible accidents.
I'm just wondering if aluminum case in AW is also strong enough to resist scratching from Apple Graphite Milanese loop with PVD coating? I'm still probably choosing silver loop for peace of mind.
I am endlessly surprised that people believe natural sapphire crystal watches can't be scratched.
If anything, a crystal watch face is more sensitive. It's a grown crystal, and therefore has a grain like wood. It's also fairly easy to scratch it.
I have a Tag Heuer watch that has a crystal face, and dropped it from a height of about 3 feet, and the crystal shattered. I was shocked and tried to get Heuer to warranty replace the face. I got a lesson on watch faces from them. I was shown that the face has a grain, and that my watch fell on just the right spot to cause that grain to separate causing the shattering. They forwarded an article that showed how easy crystal faces can shatter. They don't cover any damage to their faces. I have an expensive Citizen watch that developed a small cracked hole in the crustal face. *ANY* crystal face can be scratched and shattered.
I felt so stupid, angry, and humiliated after dropping that watch. I had to pay for the new crystal face, and felt so shocked that the 'incredibly strong and durable natural crystal face' was in reality so incredibly fragile. Fragile enough that simple steel can essentially destroy them. It's sad... I don't wear that beautiful Heuer watch any longer. It's just too expensive to risk having the new crystal face be scratched or destroyed again. It is a beautiful watch...
I do become concerned that my beautiful Apple watch might be damaged too. Looking at the face, I see that there are two scratches in the upper left corner. *DAMN*
If anything, a crystal watch face is more sensitive. It's a grown crystal, and therefore has a grain like wood. It's also fairly easy to scratch it.
I have a Tag Heuer watch that has a crystal face, and dropped it from a height of about 3 feet, and the crystal shattered. I was shocked and tried to get Heuer to warranty replace the face. I got a lesson on watch faces from them. I was shown that the face has a grain, and that my watch fell on just the right spot to cause that grain to separate causing the shattering. They forwarded an article that showed how easy crystal faces can shatter. They don't cover any damage to their faces. I have an expensive Citizen watch that developed a small cracked hole in the crustal face. *ANY* crystal face can be scratched and shattered.
I felt so stupid, angry, and humiliated after dropping that watch. I had to pay for the new crystal face, and felt so shocked that the 'incredibly strong and durable natural crystal face' was in reality so incredibly fragile. Fragile enough that simple steel can essentially destroy them. It's sad... I don't wear that beautiful Heuer watch any longer. It's just too expensive to risk having the new crystal face be scratched or destroyed again. It is a beautiful watch...
I do become concerned that my beautiful Apple watch might be damaged too. Looking at the face, I see that there are two scratches in the upper left corner. *DAMN*
I thought that the older aluminum watches had a different face crystal. And anodizing might make it 'stronger', but it's still likely weaker and able to be scratched easier. My AW3 had a small linear dent in it when I traded it in on the 4 I have now. I was shocked to see it, and wondered how much larger it might have been if I had the aluminum watch. I like to think I'm not rough with my toys, but I apparently am., and it's not from being careless as much as just 'normal wear and tear'. I find myself doing a lot of things around the home that could result in the damage of watches, but taking them off is potentially just as damaging in the long run. *shrug* What to do...
And I stopped using the loop bands for another reason: They pulled the small hairs on my arms/wrists which I found annoying, plus they always slipped and became looser during the day. I have though, recently, of selling them. A silver one, used slightly, a black one, unused.
Sapphire is extremely scratch resistant but also very brittle at the same time.. Ceramic has the same properties so although both are very hard to scratch (9 on the mohs scale) they are not very durable as far as impact protection.
Because ceramic has a grain too. Ceramic can shatter if you abuse it at the right spot. I have a collection of 'ceramic' knives, and every damn one of them has the tip broken off. Once I had to inspect every milligram of the food to make sure the tip wasn't stuck in it. Now that the 'weak points' are gone, I figure they are fine, but in a watch, or other ceramic product, that could be huge...
It depends on how you use it. I wouldn’t use a PVD coated band as a daily use band. But I’ve used a Space Black Milanese Loop with two different watches in the past and I never had problems with scratches. I use them only as special occasion bands though. Like if I’m going out on Friday night or a wedding, I may pull it out and wear it for a few hours. And I treat the band like it’s a sharp knife.
Yeah, it does look great. Have you noticed problem with "the rails" in the watch with graphite loop eating away colored aluminium? I guess the loop parts connecting the watch are also PVD so every time you slide them on and off and while they move a bit while using it could maybe cause issues?
I'm probably still going for silver loop for my space grey AW for added safety, and maybe this combination gives nice contrast a bit like black and chrome like.
Did you use them with the aluminium AW's? Was there any issue with color peeling off the watch in the band rails?
I just tested Silver Milanese loop with my aluminium Space Grey AW. Not sure about the looks of that color combination if I like it, but I noticed that even silver lugs left a small mark on the watch "rails" when it was just a slightly wrong angle when I tried it the first time. I was not even forcing it but gently inserting thinking it would guide itself like the 3rd party loop lugs do, but it kinda got stuck a bit before I corrected the angle precisely myself.
It seems lugs on the original one are so precisely sized there is no play in "rails" with them like with 3rd party loops where you can wiggle them a lot. But I noticed 3rd party lugs never leave any marks, even when forcing them a bit. So fair warning when inserting original loop lugs, make sure you aim it just right angle the first time!!!
Anyway, what I like about the original loop is that it is much more solid and you can actually lay the watch on the table on its side and it stays in this position. With 3rd party loops they are so wiggly there is no way watch would stay on its side when laying it on the table and it would cause loop to touch the watch chassis but there is not this problem with original one.
Now I'm wondering whether I should just order Graphite Milanese Loop since it seems possible to use with caution and keep it away from the watch screen and chassis pretty easily, much easier than 3rd party loops.
Just wondering if Graphite lugs are even worse than in Silver one causing even more damage to the watch "rails" when sliding it on and off???
It seems lugs on the original one are so precisely sized there is no play in "rails" with them like with 3rd party loops where you can wiggle them a lot. But I noticed 3rd party lugs never leave any marks, even when forcing them a bit. So fair warning when inserting original loop lugs, make sure you aim it just right angle the first time!!!
Anyway, what I like about the original loop is that it is much more solid and you can actually lay the watch on the table on its side and it stays in this position. With 3rd party loops they are so wiggly there is no way watch would stay on its side when laying it on the table and it would cause loop to touch the watch chassis but there is not this problem with original one.
Now I'm wondering whether I should just order Graphite Milanese Loop since it seems possible to use with caution and keep it away from the watch screen and chassis pretty easily, much easier than 3rd party loops.
Just wondering if Graphite lugs are even worse than in Silver one causing even more damage to the watch "rails" when sliding it on and off???
the connector on the band is a polished coating, I have taken it off my aluminum watch, and the watch shows no signs of wear! the band slides on like butter