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I hope they discontinued it because they intend to update it since, up until now, this is like the only way that all iMacs and Mac minis and any thunderbolt 3 Mac without the new Displayport compression architecture can drive a Pro Display XDR. I mean for gosh sake, a $1000 dollar MacBook Air can drive a $6000 display, but a $5000 iMac Pro can't.
 
I hope to see a model with Radeon RX 5700 XT. Probably I would buy it to drive LG Ultrafine and to have a really silent eGPU
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Let's put a 5700XT, with a 16 lane PCIe 4.0 connection on a 4 lane PCIe 3.0 bus. That should give you 1/8th the potential bandwidth of that video card.
Eh??? TB3 bottleneck is around 10%. Check benchmarks on BareFeats.com an eGPU with Radeon RX 5700 XT can transform a MacBook Pro 13” in a monster machine, very similiar in GOU performance to Mac Pro.
 
I bought mine to drive my LG 34WK95U and a 2nd 1440p monitor. Without it, my 16" MBP would ran the fan very loud, even with a simple browser use. The base eGPU from Black Magic brought my office back to complete silence.

I hope to see a model with Radeon RX 5700 XT. Probably I would buy it to drive LG Ultrafine and to have a really silent eGPU
 
Cheaper yes, smarter, not really. The Blackmagic units, while expensive, were whisper quiet and also doubled as hubs- they had plenty of USB-A ports and also HDMI.

You're right though I would definitely just stick a 5700XT blower into a Sonnet box for a $600 total price and call it a day

PS- there needs to be a mac mini model that has a dedicated GPU. It's been like 15 years now Apple, just do it. Stick a 5300M 4G or 5500M 8GB or Vega 20 and call it a day. Surely if the 16" MBP can handle it than a mac mini with desktop-esque cooling can do it
My mantis Venus with a triple fan setup would give that bm a run for its money in quietness. only thing bm has over every other egpu Setup is the tb3 Connection needed for lg5k Display
 
That can't be the whole story, though. Then TB3, USB4 and TB4 would all be the same thing.

Given that TB4 will run on PCIe 4, it seems silly not to use that opportunity to double its bandwidth.

Just done a bit more reading up on Thunderbolt 4 - it's not very logical after Thunderbolt 3. It also appears to be a compatibility release with PCIe 5.0 coming very soon. It certainly could be a unifying standard which will run the varying USB3/USB-C standards beneath it. But what it definitely is - like the varying USB3 standards - is becoming confusing.

You have to wonder if Thunderbolt 4 will be relatively short-lived given PCIe 4.0 was so late to arrive.

The very least it could offer is compatibility with Thunderbolt 3 and various other USB formats.

Apple could perhaps even choose to skip it, and go direct to Thunderbolt 5, if it delivers more tangible benefits.
 
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It's crazy the hoops us Mac users have to jump through with things like this. Last summer, as a personal challenge I built an i9-9900, RTX-2080 PC for $2k that blows away anything comparable on the Mac side. Unfortunately the only thing I really use it for is (infrequent) gaming! I'd rather plug that video card into my Mac Mini somehow (maybe there's a way?)...
 
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It's crazy the hoops us Mac users have to jump through with things like this. Last summer, as a personal challenge I built an i9-9900, RTX-2080 PC for $2k that blows away anything comparable on the Mac side. Unfortunately the only thing I really use it for is (infrequent) gaming! I'd rather plug that video card into my Mac Mini somehow (maybe there's a way?)...

Which is why the Mac side of the house hasn't grown. I got tired of dealing with it, and went to a Ryzen based system. I no longer have to jump through hoops to use modern hardware, software reliability is the same, software options grow exponentially, and I can upgrade when I feel it is necessary. That it is so much cheaper is an added bonus.
 
It's crazy the hoops us Mac users have to jump through with things like this.

  1. Buy a Mac
  2. Buy an eGPU
  3. Connect via Thunderbolt
Is that cheap? No. Are there… "hoops", though? You're literally plugging in an external cable from one case to another.

Last summer, as a personal challenge I built an i9-9900, RTX-2080 PC for $2k that blows away anything comparable on the Mac side. Unfortunately the only thing I really use it for is (infrequent) gaming!

It's crazy the hoops you went through to build a high-end gaming PC that you don't even use frequently.

(Like, really, you can build a decent gaming PC for $1k. Yours will be faster, but… for what?)
 
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To prepare to move off of the Apple platform?

When it no longer makes economic sense to stay, people will move on.
 
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From a not so rich user perspective... my wife and I wanted to be able to play games on our 2017 MBP 13' laptops. When these EGPUs came out I was initially ecstatic. However, upon learning the cost, there was just no way I was going to buy two of these.

My wife and I ended up getting the Sonnet EGPUs with the RX 580 for a fraction of the cost. They've served us well for years now. I even took the GPU out of one of them and put it in a new system I built (Windows).

Just puts me off to buy something like this - not upgradeable or usable in other systems?!

Sonnet EGPU is $250 for the 500w edition. In 2018 the 250w edition with the RX 580 was $449.

The Sonnet eGPU looks like a great product. I had a tough time picking between that and the Razer Core X, but went with the Razer since it’s 650w and (more importantly) I found a cheap one on eBay. I think the Sonnet has better recognition within the Mac community, but the Razer was plug and play with my 2018 MacBook Pro 15”.

I also started with a 580 card I picked up for $99, but after a month I grabbed a Vega 56 for $200 and sold the 580 (for $99). It was a big upgrade from the 580 to the Vega, supported my 27” 4K display way better for 4K gaming.
 
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  1. Buy a Mac
  2. Buy an eGPU
  3. Connect via Thunderbolt
Is that cheap? No. Are there… "hoops", though? You're literally plugging in an external cable from one case to another.

It's crazy the hoops you went through to build a high-end gaming PC that you don't even use frequently.

(Like, really, you can build a decent gaming PC for $1k. Yours will be faster, but… for what?)

I will be using it for 3D applications and VR. I just haven't yet. I just find it annoying really that Apple doesn't take gaming or hardcore 3D stuff seriously, and I have to even consider getting (or building) a PC. It was a fun project. I just followed along a PCPartsPicker video on YouTube. I know I could build a cheaper system but what the heck. It rocks!
 
eGPU was of the dream things to me, but given the size, price, the fact that it doesn't work with Windows on Bootcamp(AFAIK) just makes purchasing a WinBox a much better and cheaper option.
 
Apple is so backwards right now. They need AMD CPUs and Nvidia GPUs. Too bad that’s not going to happen with Macs moving to ARM sometime in the next year or so.
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eGPU was of the dream things to me, but given the size, price, the fact that it doesn't work with Windows on Bootcamp(AFAIK) just makes purchasing a WinBox a much better and cheaper option.
Yeah, I’d be more interested in getting one if I could use it in conjunction with my Vega 48 for Boot Camp gaming. But I do most of my gaming on the Xbox anyway and the Series X is going to be fairly powerful so I’ll just get that.
 
I have a Mac mini attached to this eGPU to drive my Pro Display XDR. The eGPU is not a good value, but it is the only one that can work with this kind of setup. The XDR only has TB ports. So, if the eGPU that you have doesn’t include a thunderbolt in AND a thunderbolt out, no compatibility with XDR. Just FYI.
 
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What kind of black magic are they using to make them drive the pro display and be quiet, and yet no one else can achieve that?

1. Don't use a off-the-shelf GPU discrete card.
2. Vertical cooling stack design.


The DisplayPort video streams from GPU are not on a card edge. There are some direct output ports) , but also the video out can be relayed out through the Thunderbolt ports. On external PCI-e card enclosures the discrete GPU card's output all come out through the card's edge. None of those card edges provision a Thunderbolt port (at this time. some years down the road that may not be as true as it is now). Therefore, can't really drive most Apple Mac targeted Thunderbolt displays all that well.

Because don't have a card edge and trying to mix cooling and video out into the same small contained space, they can do all the cooling in a different direction. So basically orthogonal to one another. Also not particularly "max frame rate at any cost" design oriented so don't overclock as much. ( with AMD GPU chips backing off the overclock is a significant power saver. )

No magic. Just solid straightforward engineering that isn't crippled to design constraints from the late 80's and early 90's.
 
eGPU was of the dream things to me, but given the size, price, the fact that it doesn't work with Windows on Bootcamp(AFAIK) just makes purchasing a WinBox a much better and cheaper option.

FYI; I'm using the BM Pro Vega 56 on my 2013 Mac Pro for occasional Windows gaming. I've also had it running on my 2017 MacBook Pro, but don't use the mobile arrangement much anymore. Honestly, it's not hard to get working at all, same steps as any other eGPU running bootcamp, egpu.io is the ultimate source for info about getting an eGPU running on Mac Windows. For what it's worth, eGPU running Windows on the Mac is not officially supported by Apple/Bootcamp and requires workarounds regardless of eGPU unit.
 
I'm guessing we will see a refresh with the W5700X or something similar from the Navi GPU family.

Decent chance won't. The major differentiator this product had was two points.

1. can drive a 'downstream' 5K (or better) Thunderbolt input only monitor.
2. Relatively quiet.

This came to market in the large gap between Mac Pro updates. (and even still the Mac Pro 2013 couldn't drive the 5K monitor full resolution with its TBv2 ports. ). There is a Mac Pro now that is a pretty natural fit to the 5K (and up) TB input only displays. Part of this eGPU for Blackmagic synergy was to get to more than one 'medium-large' GPU systems. The more natural path for that now is the new Mac Pro 2019. ( e.g., pressing an iMac Pro into 2-3 GPU set up could go with this Blackmagic eGPU set up before Mac Pro arrived. )

There is a Navi GPU in the MBP 16" . Not quite the same as the Vega56, but decent and comes with the system.

For 5K (and up) displays that are not TB input only ... the discrete cards are viable. That makes all of the other PCI-e card external enclosures viable. Once in the space where mainstream inputs on the monitors this product looses some traction.

There is still market subset left for this product, but it is smaller now. As eGPUs get more "normal' on the Windows side that gets larger ( so even smaller piece of overall eGPU market ).

TB4 (and/or USB 4 ) are going to change this market segment even more. Apple may not need to nudge a player to do something in this space. and Blackmagic doesn't need to do lots of extra work to get multiple GPU Mac set ups to grow in number. Or perhaps an external enclosure for MPX modules could be a collaborate project between the two.



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Not particularly likely ( at least in 2020 ). The initial RDNA 2 GPU chips likely will run substantively hotter than the Vega 56 + HBM2 memory. The case is targeted for a particular thermal level that AMD probably wouldn't ship in the RDNA2 class until well into 2021.


RDNA2 implementation where can push RX 5700XT performance into plain 5700 or 5600XT thermal space than maybe. However, AMD is likely to wait for a substantively more mature process status until get to that point to make those lower price points.

If the RDNA2 is in the iMac Pro GPU update then there is a decent chance. Blackmagic probably isn't going to use something that Apple hasn't already used and deployed in a Mac as an embedded dGPU. Something like a Navi 23 ( smaller side of 'big navi' ) may not make the iMac Pro GPU cut. Prehaps an iMac BTO GPU.
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RDNA's rollout has been very maddening. Even on Windows, drivers have been a mess. I think yields must be low since AMD is still relying so much on Vega for APUs and for Mac Pro.

The Vega in the new Ryzen 4000 mobiles is a substantive rework of the Vega implementation. Power optimized and density.

Similar for the Mac Pro those are Vega 20 architecture, not Vega 10. Although Vega 20 is getting 'older' at this point; the end of 2018 isn't all that far back. RNDA isn't a replacement for Vega 20. There is another updated architecture coming for that high end compute space. "CDNA".


Not going to be too surprising if CDNA is pretty close to being Vega 30 ( or 3.0 ) with the power/density APU optimizations weaved into some extended compute instruction updates for larger core scale.

That CDNA module probably isn't going into a Blackmagic eGPU unless they do some major updates to the design parameters (and target price points. )
 
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These were always grossly overpriced for what they were. I put the exact same Vega 56 graphics card in a Sonnet eGPU case for a total of $700 vs $1,200. While the enclosure was a nice design and it had a nice port for hookign up directly to a 5k display that is not worth $500.

Plus like others have mentioned one is forever stuck with the graphics card inside that case. Part of the benefit of eGPU is for us to get away with being stuck with a single GPU forever. Sure one can go out and buy a new Blackmagic Design unit for another $1,200 but that's absolutely ridiculous when I can now just buy a new $350 5700 XT card to put in this enclosure I already have. I can also go out and buy an Nvidia card to use under bootcamp as I see fit.

Until we get thunderbolt 4 or 5 with extra bandwidth an enclosure is not going to get better than the ones already out there. Invest in one now, save $500 and spend the 30 seconds to install the card in it.
 
It was a massive cash grab, feel sorry for whoever bought it.
Don't be, still enjoying it very much, it is great with all of its ports. Nicely complements the Vega 64 16GB in my iMac Pro, and the Nvidia 2080TI inside a razor core X chroma attached to an Ubuntu-based Intel-NUC Frost Canyon.
 
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It made zero sense to completely remove Nvidia as additional options and Apple needs to apologize for its mistakes to the customers.
 
Yeah, let's gloss over the eGPU issue with the Mac Mini.

Because a custom-built PC will never have problems? I don’t understand your point here.
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I will be using it for 3D applications and VR. I just haven't yet. I just find it annoying really that Apple doesn't take gaming or hardcore 3D stuff seriously, and I have to even consider getting (or building) a PC. It was a fun project. I just followed along a PCPartsPicker video on YouTube. I know I could build a cheaper system but what the heck. It rocks!

Ah, OK. It sounded like you made a really pricey computer and then didn’t really know what to do with it.

That makes more sense. :)
 
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