Considering the current design is able to run fanless, I would say they have headroom for increasing cores... a lot more headroom than the competition anyways...
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Bloomberg: Apple Working on Next-Gen Apple Silicon Chips for MacBook Pro, iMacs, and Mac Pro Due to Launch Next Year
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Considering the current design is able to run fanless, I would say they have headroom for increasing cores... a lot more headroom than the competition anyways...
I predict at some point in the next 5 years we'll have a M2 and macOS 12
Intrigued what they'll use for their high-end GPU options. Is it even possible/practical to cram 32 graphics cores on the same SOC as (up to) 24 Firestorms & Icestorm cores? Or would it need to be a custom discrete GPU?
If the performance-per-core of the CPUs is so high too, these would make great gaming CPUs. It's a pity Apple have always struggled so much with supporting/investing in Mac gaming.
I'd be surprised if an Apple Silicon games/media console isn't somewhere in the works. Have there been rumours of an M1 AppleTV?
If the performance-per-core of the CPUs is so high too, these would make great gaming CPUs. It's a pity Apple have always struggled so much with supporting/investing in Mac gaming.
I'd be surprised if an Apple Silicon games/media console isn't somewhere in the works. Have there been rumours of an M1 AppleTV?
Well thank christ that Bloomberg cleared this up. I figured with the release of M1 in the MacBooks and Mac mini that apple were done with the whole "electronic business" mumbo-jumbo and we getting back to work focusing on their brand of corn harvesters.
It’s great to have such powerful machines on the pipeline, but I don’t see myself getting an iMac, a high end 16” MacBook Pro or a mac pro. So my interest remains focused on the next M2 MacBook Air, not on the M1X upcoming machines.
After having purchased an M1 MacBook Air, even 13” seem a bit bigger than I remembered (I got used to the 11” of my iPad Pro) and I wouldn’t trade the function keys row for a more powerful (and hot, and less power efficient) M1X MacBook Pro. Maybe a new 12” MacBook with an M1 would make me think again about my purchase, that’s the only thing I would consider.
If this rumor is true and the M1 is certainly the baseline and the rest of the family is much, much more powerful, the Intel macs will become “obsolete” faster than I thought. Yes, they will still have support from Apple for 5 years at least, but in comparison they will be seen as slow, burning machines.
After having purchased an M1 MacBook Air, even 13” seem a bit bigger than I remembered (I got used to the 11” of my iPad Pro) and I wouldn’t trade the function keys row for a more powerful (and hot, and less power efficient) M1X MacBook Pro. Maybe a new 12” MacBook with an M1 would make me think again about my purchase, that’s the only thing I would consider.
If this rumor is true and the M1 is certainly the baseline and the rest of the family is much, much more powerful, the Intel macs will become “obsolete” faster than I thought. Yes, they will still have support from Apple for 5 years at least, but in comparison they will be seen as slow, burning machines.
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Two possibilities: 1. Apple is working on next-gen Silicon chips. 2. Apple is NOT working on next-gen Silicon chips. Which one is more likely?
Wouldn't that fall into the realm of ancient news in the world of technology? They've been working on their "K12" chip for years.
Considering that MacOS X lasted from 2001 to 2020, I think the second part of your prediction will fail. MacOS numbering will change to 12 some time in 20 years when it includes something that we have never thought of. (And nobody at Apple has thought of yet).
No. He’s right. Apple has already seeded macOS 11.1, a minor update to 11.0. Apple appears to be breaking away from the 10.X.X convention and starting down the macOS 11, 12, 13... naming scheme. Makes sense, though I am disappointed. This will put them in more consistency along their other xOS releases naming schemes.
It just shows that they are impressed by what Apple could do with those M1's. This will benefit all, as the x86 lock-in will dissipate and more and more software will be compiled for ARM also.
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What makes you think _anyone_ is optimising old code for a new chip? It doesn't happen. I absolutely don't care what processor my code runs on. I wouldn't even know.
... Apple uses from Nvidia and ...
Since when has Apple used Nvidia gpus?
Since when has Apple used Nvidia gpus?
There have, A14/A14X to be precise (the M1 & A14 share the sames cores, with a slightly different frequency if I recall correctly), honestly, Apple should set apart a war chest ala TV+ to finance studios to bring both the latest AAA titles and a set of new exclusives to the ecosystem (For Apple TV and new arm Macs), to headstart a new era as a true gaming platform.
After all the M1’s igpu already has the performance of the original PS4, this on a fanless capable design, 2021-2022 will probably close the gap with PS5 or surpass it if the 32-64 core rumors pan out. The performance is there...
It costs $200 to add 8gb of ram to a new Mini. It also costs $200 to go from 256gb of storage to 512. I think it's hard to argue that there isn't an Apple tax when breathing a sigh of relief from an 'intel tax'.
Ah, yes, but what mortal mind would guess that these new chips might have more CPU and GPU cores? The oracular prowess of these analysts should not be underestimated...
An Apple GPU that's NOT on a discrete graphics card seems unlikely to be performance competitive with a 3rd-party AMD/NVidia/Intel discrete graphics card GPU. Therefore: a new 2022 Mac Pro with an ARM CPU (instead of an Intel CPU) would likely still require a graphics card of some kind.
Isn't it refreshing to see so much enthusiasm about the future of Mac , back to where we were pre-intel transition when many PowerPC Mac's easily outperformed their Intel counterparts, but Apple had no choice but to switch at the time as PowerPC was simply not capable to scale down to mobile computing as quick as they needed it... Now, the future is entirely in Apple's hands, and while they will face some stiff competition in the future, at the moment, Mac's are completely relevant, no scrap that, Macs are completetly industry leading again. What a time! I'm saving my pennies and get myself an Apple Silicon based iMac next year, I might even get a paperround (not had one since I was 16 ) to pay for it
) to pay for it Haha! Well for what is worth, I think some people don’t actually know it with comments and statements along the lines of: “Apple is doomed, we don’t know what Intel is preparing that we don’t know about and could release soon” or similar. As if AMD and Apple were planning to stand still.
On a related note, the M1 amount of news has been grossly saturated and sometimes redundant... yet I don’t mind them to keep coming! Don’t know why don’t want to miss absolutely anything.
I'm not an expert but if anything, they've already ran and fixed anything that came up in the manufacturing of the next SIP. I do not buy for a minute they are still working on something that would be coming out 6-8 months from now (unless something major is happening with the yields).
All I want to know is the target date for the 14.1 ! when ? March ? October ? anybody knows,not 22 I hope !
I just want a new iMac please and thank you. It doesn’t have to be big and super powerful. I’d even be content with a 21” entry-level M1, housed in the current design. I’m not asking for much here, Tim.
Apple will probably hold off with the most powerful ARM Macs until late Q3 or early Q4 to make sure most if not all apps for professionals run natively. Certainly developers who rely on the likes of Docker and so forth have to wait for at least the next 9 months until that software can run at full Apple Silicon power. Releasing 'real' MacBook Pros, iMacs and Mac Pros now wouldn't make sense anyway.