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I read the Morgan Stanley release (after reading your reply, so thank you). Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like they're basically saying they expect service revenue growth to be up, which is likely a safe bet, and then basically since all the other firms are so pessimistic, it should beat those low-ball expectations. And they raised their 1 year price target to $247, but I still see a consensus target of $211.

Obviously I'm missing something, but I don't see why the Morgan Stanley release should lead to such a strong surge today. "Everyone else set the bar too low so it has to beat it" doesn't sound very inspiring.

Wait and see ;). The next two weeks will surprise you, even more. You might not like it after your position though.
 
Jeff probably has the same lifestyle too. Sad.
There is nothing sad about success and living the life you want to live.
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Apple is now an operations company...not an innovation company. It's clear it's all about efficiency and margin. Sad.
There is nothing sad about it. Apple is doing well by all measures (unless one counts the criticism here at MR as evidence Apple isn’t doing well.)
 
Why, it’s true.

Yeah, feel free to believe that. Non-visionaries neither understand true visionaries nor are the able to identify one when he or she stands right in front of them. Why? Because they lack VISION. And if there is one thing that truly scares accountants or other people who need to measure everything by numbers, it's CREATIVITY that they just do not understand AT ALL.
 
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There is nothing sad about it. Apple is doing well by all measures (unless one counts the criticism here at MR as evidence Apple isn’t doing well.)

Hey, I'm so happy as a consumer that Apple can charge more for less than ever for products it sells! Not sad at all, it's great! In fact, here, let me send them some more money, just for the heck of it. I'm sure I need another dongle anyway.
 
Hey, I'm so happy as a consumer that Apple can charge more for less than ever for products it sells! Not sad at all, it's great! In fact, here, let me send them some more money, just for the heck of it. I'm sure I need another dongle anyway.
I’m happy as a consumer that products such as those from Apple exist. I realize that consumer goods have a rather large range of prices and generally one gets what they pay for. Apple products may be more expensive than the competitors products, very similar to cars, it they also aren’t the most expensive products. I find the value to cost ratio very high with Apple products, when one takes the premium feel of the product, support, longevity into account.

My thinking may not resonate with everyone but We should all be glad there is competition so we can get the products we want.
 
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Yeah, feel free to believe that. Non-visionaries neither understand true visionaries nor are the able to identify one when he or she stands right in front of them. Why? Because they lack VISION. And if there is one thing that truly scares accountants or other people who need to measure everything by numbers, it's CREATIVITY that they just do not understand AT ALL.

Exactly! There is a reason why Apple almost died before Steve took over, and why, against all odds, it became the tech industry giant with Steve at the helm. Why people used to line up in the streets days before a new iPhone would come out. Back when I gladly paid more for an Apple product because I knew that I'm buying the best, that Steve personally made sure it was what he wanted.

Reality distortion field was real, but it was so much more than that. I was buying into a brand that CARED to make the best, and had the VISION for it. Not one that cared to make it most profitable.
 
I’m happy as a consumer that products such as those from Apple exist. I realize that consumer goods have a rather large range of prices and generally one gets what they pay for. Apple products may be more expensive than the competitors products, very similar to cars, it they also aren’t the most expensive products. I find the value to cost ratio very high with Apple products, when one takes the premium feel of the product, support, longevity into account.

My thinking may not resonate with everyone but We should all be glad there is competition so we can get the products we want.

Your original comment celebrated Apple as a successful company. Now you are pointing out how Apple is benefiting you as a consumer. They are two different things. Apple being successful is of NO direct benefit to a consumer, only to the investors.
 
Your original comment celebrated Apple as a successful company. Now you are pointing out how Apple is benefiting you as a consumer. They are two different things. Apple being successful is of NO direct benefit to a consumer, only to the investors.

Tell that to Ex- Nokia, Motorola, HTC, esssential, razer and blackberry smartphone users.

If they don’t do well they will stop making phones.
 
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Your original comment celebrated Apple as a successful company. Now you are pointing out how Apple is benefiting you as a consumer. They are two different things. Apple being successful is of NO direct benefit to a consumer, only to the investors.

How do you think Apple became successful (and remains so), if not by selling great products that consumers are willing to pay for?
 
Equivalent to stacking the top of Xerox with toner heads.


Nail on the HEAD!! Tim Cook and his team NEEDS to watch this video first thing every morning and last thing before heading home.
Apple is SO stale and behind. I am an original Macintosh 512k owner from 1985 and for the FIRST TIME EVER, have bought something NOT Apple. I have bought 3 Apple TV's in the past and just went and bough a Google Home and a Chromecast plug for $70 Canadian! Instead of $399 for a HomePod... (a what?) HomePod won't even turn your TV on and off like Google Home/Chromecast. Will Apple catch up? Where is their $100 HomePod? They were ahead... not anymore. Makes me sick to buy Google. Copycat jerks. Now Apple will have to become Copycats? yuk
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Where is the simple? The easy? The genius "why didn't I think of that" products? Honestly think about what Apple products we would be using now if Steve lived another 10 years? Do you really think we'd be where we are now? Not a chance. Apple is SO profitable why don't they spend some of that on more amazing products and lower their prices? Shareholders? In they end they'd be ahead if new great products came like the old days. Google has passed Apple. Makes me sick.
 
How do you think Apple became successful (and remains so), if not by selling great products that consumers are willing to pay for?

That is my point exactly! Apple became successful because it sold great products to the consumers! Not a great bottom line to the shareholders. That was the indirect result though. Now they are using their good will from those years to keep milking its customer base.
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Tell that to Ex- Nokia, Motorola, HTC, esssential, razer and blackberry smartphone users.

If they don’t do well they will stop making phones.

Thank you for supporting my argument!
 
Gotta love posts like this that ignore all the value created by Cook's team.
  • 1.4B devices (record)
  • Apple Music now more paid subscribers than Spotfiy
  • Services at $50B
  • Wearables (Watch, AirPods) best in industry
  • Industry leading silicon
  • THE best tablet, by a mile
  • Ultra competitive phone market and still selling 200M units/yr
  • Innovations like FaceID are still trying to be matched by competitors
  • $700B in shareholder value since Jobs passing away
  • Record earnings
  • Biggest buyback in the world
The only real bump in the road recently has been China, which is an issue for pretty much every company doing business there. It's also gotten better according to reports.

I don't know what you want Apple to do. They have executed the iPhone strategy better than any single device by a mile. All of your 3 year shell talk as if it's a misstep is precisely wrong. The iPhone has been managed so well, it's unbelievable. They are FINALLY seeing some dropoff, but it's expected after a product has penetrated most of its market, lasts so well, and has little else to offer. They are still selling 200M units/yr.

Making fun of their push to services ignores reality. That's what Apple should be focused on now that they've built the device count. People want services.

Trying to understand why Apple hasn't bought companies like Tesla, Nest, or Sonos is just an exercise in futility. Pretending you understand all the details like integrating cultures, financials, and synergies is disingenuous.

High level, Tesla is run by an eccentric maniac that lies to his investors constantly, doesn't deliver what he says, and is losing billions of dollars every year. Why would Apple really want to buy that? Nest and Sonos are likely complete non-needle movers and Apple believes they can play the long game to take those industries.

If you're going to be so negative, you at least have to acknowledge some of the positives.

We will see about that. All the good things that Tim Cook has been riding since he became a CEO ,came from Steve Jobs’s legacy. The Apple Watch was under Ive and Steve in very beginning. Apple music came from iTunes Library, which was again Jobs’s legacy. All things that you are mentioned came from Steve Jobs’s legacy. I don’t see any belong to Tim Cook’s legacy except a few Apple accessories which were built under his wings. Oh, Airpods was Ive’s btw.

But nothing was built like Steve Jobs did under Cook’s wings.
 
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We will see about that. All the good things that Tim Cook has been riding since he became a CEO ,came from Steve Jobs’s legacy. The Apple Watch was under Ive and Steve in very beginning. Apple music came from iTunes Library, which was again Jobs’s legacy. All things that you are mentioned came from Steve Jobs’s legacy. I don’t see any belong to Tim Cook’s legacy except a few Apple accessories which were built under his wings. Oh, Airpods was Ive’s btw.

But nothing was built like Steve Jobs did under Cook’s wings.
What’s relevant is apple has grown massively under cook, which means he has figured out how to give customers what they want in terms of product. Cooks legacy will be the massive success of Apple and his skill in growing it. Don’t like him? Fine, but you’re probably not changing the history books with this post.
 
We will see about that. All the good things that Tim Cook has been riding since he became a CEO ,came from Steve Jobs’s legacy. The Apple Watch was under Ive and Steve in very beginning. Apple music came from iTunes Library, which was again Jobs’s legacy. All things that you are mentioned came from Steve Jobs’s legacy. I don’t see any belong to Tim Cook’s legacy except a few Apple accessories which were built under his wings. Oh, Airpods was Ive’s btw.

But nothing was built like Steve Jobs did under Cook’s wings.
Ah yes, the "we'll see about that" crowd. No timeline and ignores what we've ALREADY seen. Cook has grown AAPL $700B. He's not going anywhere unless he wants to. His performance is tied to how well Apple does relative to the S&P 500 and he's crushed it. You don't just create $700B because Steve Jobs is still somehow running the company from the grave. He's been dead almost 8 years.
 
We will see about that. All the good things that Tim Cook has been riding since he became a CEO ,came from Steve Jobs’s legacy. The Apple Watch was under Ive and Steve in very beginning. Apple music came from iTunes Library, which was again Jobs’s legacy. All things that you are mentioned came from Steve Jobs’s legacy. I don’t see any belong to Tim Cook’s legacy except a few Apple accessories which were built under his wings. Oh, Airpods was Ive’s btw.

But nothing was built like Steve Jobs did under Cook’s wings.


Absolutely pointless trying to debate with people who can't see past a market cap. They care about the products much less than the value of their stock.
 
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