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Why bring back an obsolete slot? We are on CFExpress A and B now, with SD Express coming to fight CFExpress A. SD is dead.
SD is far from dead. As a matter of fact the latest version of SD is newer than the latest version of CFexpress [wikipedia], and are spec'd at the same speeds. SD is compatible with PCIe v4 while CFexpress is still PCIe v3. Practically speaking, if you had the choice of buying a notebook with one or the other, which one would you choose?
 
Yes! This is what I have wanted since 2016! MagSafe and an SD card slot, built right in! If this happens, it’s an immediate buy for me.
 
Why bring back an obsolete slot? We are on CFExpress A and B now, with SD Express coming to fight CFExpress A. SD is dead.

First, this is a rumour site. You can't take everything verbatim.

Secondly, CFExpress "B" and "C" are HUGE compared to SD cards, and size does matter. SD is far from dead in terms of new cameras coming out, such as the recent GoPro 9.

That Apple is course-correcting many of its earlier decisions is a good thing, and it's still too early to jump to any conclusions about exactly which cards will be supported by this rumoured slot.
 
I think this is just to make up for fact their Apple Silicon SoC only has one thunderbolt controller.. To keep you from tying up limited thunderbolt ports with the common low bandwith accessories people often use.

If I had four thunderbolt ports, I still have ports to spare if one of them is tied up with an SD card reader.
Hmm, you may be right. Although hopefully the upcoming higher-end Apple Silicon chips will have more than one Thunderbolt controller.
 
Thank God they got rid of Jonny Ive.

Who would bother adding back a USB-C and HDMI port..?
 
Sounds strange for Apple to reintroduce the SD slot, aren't photographers also using cards like XQD/CFexpress?
 
One HDMI and one USB-A port would be great too.
USB-A is dead. It’s past time to let it go. If you can afford a $2,000 MacBook, surely you can afford a $6 adapter if you refuse to buy a new mouse.

USB-C is a superior port. There isn’t a single thing USB-A does better than USB-C.
 
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12 years ago.

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I listened to it without watching and didn't guess it's 12yo thanks to "it is the fastest MacBook we've ever built". But when I heard "you can expand the memory" I almost jumped from happiness. Good old times...
 
USB-C is a superior port. There isn’t a single thing USB-A does better than USB-C.
Please point me to the hubs with 8 USB-C ports, then. Well, no, don't because then I'd just need 8 of those $6 adapters because, like many people here, every single blasted one of my USB devices comes with a USB-A cable and gains no advantage whatsoever from being attached to a USB-C port.
 
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Jony Ive didn’t have that kind of control over Mac features. He determined design, not the feature set.
Too many people give Ive way more control than he probably ever had. I’d also say IF he really did have the sole power to remove ports even if other parts of the company were against it then what does that say about the rest of the company? Are we really to believe Phil Schiller got up on stage and enthusiastically announced a product he didn’t agree with?
 
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I think this proves that Jony Ive without Steve jobs reining in resulted in designs where Form was over Function.

The new design team probably decided that ultra-minimalism to the point a product must look amazing for pictures above anything else was not a good idea.

In real life, all these Macs have dongles hanging off of them on both sides looking like a bloody octopus.
And there was nobody else inside the company with any say? Not Phil Schiller? Not Dan Riccio (who leads hardware engineering)? They all said OK Jony we disagree but you’re the boss? Please. 🙄
 
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USB-A is dead. It’s past time to let it go. If you can afford a $2,000 MacBook, surely you can afford a $6 adapter if you refuse to buy a new mouse.

USB-C is a superior port. There isn’t a single thing USB-A does better than USB-C.

Support more peripherals at the moment without an adapter is where A beats C. I do realize that at some point you have to let go of the past, but USB-A is a lot more prevalent out in the world than when SCSI roamed the wild. Go to a brick and mortar store to get a flash drive and it'll massively easier to get A than C. Have a cable to connect your DSLR to the computer? It'll most likely be A. Sure one adapter will fit all the needs to convert, but until manufacturers dump A on their side, it'll be around for quite awhile.
 
It's the computer industry that introduce USB in the first place, and USB has evolved,

Evolved? The only evolved part of USB-C is Thunderbolt, because Intel made the questionable decision to adopt the USB-C connector for a totally unrelated protocol.

The vast majority of USB-C devices use either the same USB 3.1 protocols that you can get on a USB-A port (yes, that includes 10 Gbps on many PCs), or the same DisplayPort protocol that you can get over a real DisplayPprt connector... Only a handful of USB-C hosts support the higher-speed charging options needed to power anything bigger than a phone, and tgings like disc drives need less power than they did, with the spread of SSDs.

USB 3.2 (basically USB 3.1 channel bonding) has gone nowhere, the number of USB 4 (sort-of-Thunderbolt but not 100% compatible, just to keep you on your toes) devices can be counted on the fingers of one foot.
 
USB-A is dead. It’s past time to let it go. If you can afford a $2,000 MacBook, surely you can afford a $6 adapter if you refuse to buy a new mouse.

USB-C is a superior port. There isn’t a single thing USB-A does better than USB-C.
I don't have a single USB-C accessory. Everything is USB-A. There's no reason - none - they can't have one USB-A port along with a bunch of USB-C ports. And it's not about the cost of the adapter, it's about the clutter and having to pack extra things when you go somewhere.

If USB-A were dead then Apple surely would be removing it from their desktops... which they aren't. It's still probably the most used connection type in the world, and there's no reason not to have it.
 
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Is it a coincidence that Jonny Ive is no longer in charge of design at Apple and useful ports suddenly start returning?
Definitely not. Apple has been backtracking so many of Jonny Ive’s more extreme whims (like the trash can Mac Pro and edition Apple watches) and obsession with thinness (iOS 7 - 9, iPhone 6) after he stopped being very involved in the day to day. He’s almost a purely aesthetically focused industrial designer with little understanding of user needs and engineering. That was fine when he had Steve Jobs as a sounding board for what works but not when that advice is gone.
 
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Writing this on MBP 2015 which I bought after they released the non-magsafe, non-usb, non-sd-card new MBP. I was waiting for the release but did a fall-back to previous model afer I saw the specs.

I still need USB-A. I don't want to find an adapter whenever I want to use USB devices. All my USB devices are still at USB-A. USB-C is not a common interface at all.

How do you transfer photos from your digital camera if you don't use SD card? That is the most easiest way. Just pop up the card from camera and leave it to camera bag. I don't understand people comparing it to some old technology.. And I don't want to look for an adapter (again) to use the SD card. The card slot is really useful.

And magsafe; I don't know how many times I or my kids have stumbled to the charging cable. Probably saved from few drops. Easily the best connector ever.

I thin Apple understood what design mistakes they have made with MBP in last years..
 
I love my rmbp 2012 sd card slot BUT is painfully slow

anyway, I cant believe anything of this “new old ports” in macbooks pro
 
Too little, too late? idk. the people that relied on this port have already wasted their money with the adapters they needed when it should never have been parted with from the get go.
You are assuming that Apple isn't going after marketshare in the general laptop market. In other words, new users.
 
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Evolved? The only evolved part of USB-C is Thunderbolt, because Intel made the questionable decision to adopt the USB-C connector for a totally unrelated protocol.

The vast majority of USB-C devices use either the same USB 3.1 protocols that you can get on a USB-A port (yes, that includes 10 Gbps on many PCs), or the same DisplayPort protocol that you can get over a real DisplayPprt connector... Only a handful of USB-C hosts support the higher-speed charging options needed to power anything bigger than a phone, and tgings like disc drives need less power than they did, with the spread of SSDs.

USB 3.2 (basically USB 3.1 channel bonding) has gone nowhere, the number of USB 4 (sort-of-Thunderbolt but not 100% compatible, just to keep you on your toes) devices can be counted on the fingers of one foot.
USB4 includes TB3 - that's how Apple advertises it ...
Devices that benefit from TB3 speed do exist, more than toes on a hand.

and for the Windows world, Intel introduced their "EVO" branding that includes USB4, so even in that world it's moving forward ...
 
If USB-A were dead then Apple surely would be removing it from their desktops... which they aren't. It's still probably the most used connection type in the world, and there's no reason not to have it.

.. and will be for a long time too. USB-C solves only minor problems with USB-A, but in most use cases USB-A is still totally enough.

I still don't understand why they didn't just replace one USB-A to USB-C and leave all other ports alone. This "there is a dongle for that" clan could then buy themselves USB-C hubs and whatsoever to connect these rare USB-C devices. But no, they replaced EVERY port with USB-C, seriously wtf?

I mean after 5 years USB-C isn't any kind of common standard. Yes there is a movement towards USB-C but it takes ages until it is more popular than USB-A.

I could easily understand this decision on desktop machines; you can buy one hub for all and just leave it there. But for laptops it is still quite strange decision; use a dongle. So you need to carry the dongles around all the time..
 
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