Blu-Ray declared to be new format over HD-DVD


neocell

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"Unless the HD-DVD group abandons the field, it will be another two years before consumers are confident enough of the winner to think about buying a new format DVD player. In the meantime, they will expand their video on-demand, downloadable video, and Internet viewing habits," he said.
This should be the key point taken from the article, not that Blu-Ray has won, but that's it's going to be quite a while before a "winner" is determined.
 

liketom

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i think of it from joe blogs on the street :

name - Blue Ray -fish ? or a bloke called ray who happens to be blue
HD ? Hard drive or high definition
HD DVD- well it is what it sounds

joe blogs will not care about how much data they can store they are going to follow the cheapest and simple path HD will be mainstream within 4 years so

and i have a feeling that HD DVD will be the winner
 

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Jay42 said:
Enjoy "Toy Story 5" on your blu-ray player because that's gonna be the only movie you're going to be able to watch :rolleyes:.
Most of the studios have non-exclusive support of HD-DVD. Many will support both HD DVD and BluRay.

I seriously don't think "Toy Story 5" will be the only thing.

:rolleyes:
 

Jay42

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Yeah, that was a bit of an exaggeration, but I think time will tell on what format will be common place for movies. Until then, count me out on the HiDef DVD player market.
 

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liketom said:
i think of it from joe blogs on the street :

name - Blue Ray -fish ? or a bloke called ray who happens to be blue
HD ? Hard drive or high definition
HD DVD- well it is what it sounds

joe blogs will not care about how much data they can store they are going to follow the cheapest and simple path HD will be mainstream within 4 years so

and i have a feeling that HD DVD will be the winner
exactly my thinking too.

If the public all get HDTV's and there are 2 players out there... Blu-ray and HD-DVD it will ONLY come down to "which is cheapest?" not "these discs hold precisely 45236161477651 bytes more than the other one, tally ho lets get it! what what".

my prediction, especially with (i feel dirty for saying this but) the biggest computer software developer in the world backing it, is that HD-DVD will win this one. I'm not bothered which wins myself its just my prediction.
 

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If the public all get HDTV's and there are 2 players out there... Blu-ray and HD-DVD it will ONLY come down to "which is cheapest?" not "these discs hold precisely 45236161477651 bytes more than the other one, tally ho lets get it! what what".
More like this: "Let's see, this movie takes up two discs with HD-DVD but only one with Blu-ray. So with Blu-ray, I don't have to exert myself to get up off the couch and switch discs."

Laziness wins, therefore Blu-ray wins. Seems pretty obvious to me.

--Eric
 

clayj

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I don't see why you think this is a negative for Microsoft... after all, HD-DVD is a Toshiba standard, not a Microsoft one.

And I guarantee you that despite the fact that Microsoft have thrown their weight behind HD-DVD, there's a team of engineers at the Microsoft campus writing software drivers for Blu-Ray. Count on it.
 

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Eric5h5 said:
More like this: "Let's see, this movie takes up two discs with HD-DVD but only one with Blu-ray. So with Blu-ray, I don't have to exert myself to get up off the couch and switch discs."

Laziness wins, therefore Blu-ray wins. Seems pretty obvious to me.

--Eric
Disc size is going to be a non-issue as for as movies are concerned. Yeah, the super-uber-deluxe LotR mega-ulta-pack-of-behind-the-scenes-spectacular-jumbo-greatness might be 3 HD-DVDs but only 2 Blu-Ray DVDs but the movie itself will fit nicely on a single disc on either format.


Lethal
 

LethalWolfe

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Info changes so quickly on this issue, so forgive me if this is out of date, but AFAIK one reason MS and Intel back HD-DVD is because the spec allows for controlled copies to be made (i.e. copy your HD-DVDs onto you home media server or portable/remove viewing device) where as Blu-ray does not allow for this (at least not yet). As we all know MS and Intel are trying to get into people's living rooms (as is Apple) and be the backbone of people next generation home entertainment centers/computers.


Lethal
 

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Lacero said:
Chalk this article up as facetiously premature prognostication.
LOL :D This is the second time I was drinking coffee and all the wrong neurons fired. My Mac is now covered in a plastic shield. :p
 

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Eric5h5 said:
More like this: "Let's see, this movie takes up two discs with HD-DVD but only one with Blu-ray. So with Blu-ray, I don't have to exert myself to get up off the couch and switch discs."

Laziness wins, therefore Blu-ray wins. Seems pretty obvious to me.

--Eric
LethalWolfe already said it but yea, films wont take up more than 1 HD-DVD. as has always been the way, and one of the reasons why betamax lost, is because cost matters. it will always be the most important factor when 2 very similar formats clash. on paper MiniDisc should be ruling the world now, especially new ones that hold gigabytes of data (not just audio anymore, AFAIK). but nope! you can get a blank DVD for less.
 

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clayj said:
HD-DVD is a Toshiba standard, not a Microsoft one.
...and it's not a "standard" until it's a consumer standard. so far it's proprietary tech that is not available for purchase. people use the word "standard" too easily.
 

cazlar

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LethalWolfe said:
...but AFAIK one reason MS and Intel back HD-DVD is because the spec allows for controlled copies to be made (i.e. copy your HD-DVDs onto you home media server or portable/remove viewing device) where as Blu-ray does not allow for this (at least not yet)...
And now HP (a Blu-ray supporter) is pressuring them to add this feature to the spec: http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2005-10-20T003156Z_01_SCH001815_RTRIDST_0_TECH-MEDIA-HP-DC.XML
 

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HD-DVD has dual layer Blue-Ray doesn't 30GB vs 25GB

raggedjimmi said:
LethalWolfe already said it but yea, films wont take up more than 1 HD-DVD. as has always been the way, and one of the reasons why betamax lost, is because cost matters. it will always be the most important factor when 2 very similar formats clash. on paper MiniDisc should be ruling the world now, especially new ones that hold gigabytes of data (not just audio anymore, AFAIK). but nope! you can get a blank DVD for less.
Umm OK First off HD-DVD's have Dual layer discs available Blue-Ray does not. So actually HD-DVD's max out at 30 GB per disc and Blue-Ray which scratches alot easier (They have to have a thinner protective layer so the beam can focus) max's out at 25 GB per disc. Single layer HD-DVD discs max out at 15GB. That is not to say someday they won't have dual layer Blue-Ray disc's but they don't have them now and they have not started to be devolped. I suppose if they do they will have 50GB discs, but that is years away.
I am a video editor/DVD porgrammer, and H.264 (the compression codec that has already won the HD-DVD wars, no matter which storage medium wins) Can fit 2 hours of high quality HD 1080i or 720p (the 2 size standards for HD) video nicely on a 4.7 GB disc. (I have done it. It plays in the Apple DVD player and you can do it with DVD studio pro and maybe iDVD.)
The question is not weather or not you will need 2 discs for one movie. 1 movie in 40 different languges and all the behind the scenes, bloopers, and documentary cr*p will fit on the disc While you still have room for both sequels and all the really dirty porn you keep hidden on your computer in a folder that lies in a dummy folder with 3 other fake dummy folders 7 folders deep from the desktop. (You know what I'm talking about the folder you hope and pray that either your mom, your roomate, or your wife/girlfriend, won't learn how to use spotlight) after all that you could still have room for the Yanni video collection, (well I guess that depends on what a sick a bast*rd you really are. :rolleyes:) The real question is will you be able to fit all the episodes from one season of Lost (22-24 episodes per season 45min per episode w/o commercials) on one disc or two.
Also in HD-DVD's corner is that they can be made with the exisitiing equiptment they have now. They just have to upgrade it a little. Blue-Ray requires totally new hardware and will be much more expensive.
The last reason why I feel Sony is going to lose this one again (Sony=Blue-ray) is the whole Betamax vs VHS, mistake sony has always made. No I know it was mentioned earlier in this thread, but seriously they never learn there lesson. They come out with these formats that you have to pay they such a high licence fee for that no body wants to pay them. Lets see how many sony unique formats there were, moving past beta we have mini disc (Came out 2 years before cd's and was recorable from the start, CD's still kicked sony butt 2 years later), mini cd's, mini dvd's, digital 8 (lost to minidv big time) UMD movie discs for the psp, how many movies are there for that thing? 12? Seriously it is like 40.
Now to be clear the only reason I am pushing for HD-DVD's is that DVD's are so damn easy to scratch now, Blue-Ray disc I say at a convention are like 10 times more scratchable. If Blue-ray wins they should hide the disc in a case with an access slot liek a floppy disc, but bigger or like DVD-RAM use to be in the old macs. If you rememeber them. Usually is Microsoft wants it I don't just out of spite.
OK here is the wild card that can push Blue-Ray to victory in this all. Probally the invention that will have the greatest effect on electronics and HD everywhere in the world as well as having the possibility as being one of the top ten inventions to have the greatest effect on the year 2006, and that is the Playstation 3. Now of course it could come out and suck, then the battle is over and I would bet everything I owned that HD-DVD will be the winnner. The PS3 will be what decides the winner of the HD-DVD vs Blue-Ray wars. Now something like 100 million households have a PS2. The PS3 comes out next year Blue-Ray Ready. They can play Blue-Ray movies out of the box. (No your piece of cr*p X-Box 360 can't play any HD anything. Except games, which is a bad move on Microsoft's part because they backed HD-DVD. If the made them able to play HD-DVD it would of helped them greatly. That whole game system is a joke compared to the specs released on the PS3, Which will sell for $299 the base system.) The PS3 is also backwards compatable with DVD's that are out now as well as PS2 PS1 games. So you have a $299 HD media center. (It also has a SD&HD-Tivo/DVR accessoy add in for under $70, and a standard 100+ GB hard drive vs ms 20GB Hard Drive.) Now the PS3 has to do nearly as well as the PS2 and PS1 in sales. Which is why Sony is willing to lose $300-$400 a unit for each system sold. They make the money back in licensing games, and Blue-Ray technology. The is an article on Macworld.com that confirms alot of the facts I have stated here.
So the Playstation 3 is the largest weapon in Sony's Blue-Ray arsenal. It will decide the winner in this whole long and drawn out battle which is far from over. I wonder who paid Forest Research to do this report, probally a holding company owned by a shell company owned by a holding company owned by Sony. LOL
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Harthansen said:
Umm OK First off HD-DVD's have Dual layer discs available Blue-Ray does not. So actually HD-DVD's max out at 30 GB per disc and Blue-Ray which scratches alot easier (They have to have a thinner protective layer so the beam can focus) max's out at 25 GB per disc. Single layer HD-DVD discs max out at 15GB.
I think you are a little wrong. The HD DVD format is pretty much maxed out when it's released, while blue ray has a theoretical limit of 200GB.

Link.
 

Eric5h5

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Harthansen said:
Umm OK First off HD-DVD's have Dual layer discs available Blue-Ray does not. So actually HD-DVD's max out at 30 GB per disc and Blue-Ray which scratches alot easier (They have to have a thinner protective layer so the beam can focus) max's out at 25 GB per disc. Single layer HD-DVD discs max out at 15GB. That is not to say someday they won't have dual layer Blue-Ray disc's but they don't have them now and they have not started to be devolped.
Whoa, major time warp...you must be living in 2003, because that's the only way you could have written that with a straight face. :) Seriously, dual-layer Blu-ray has been available for ages, and they're working on 8-layer discs now.

However, you're right to bring up the PS3, because the Blu-ray/HD-DVD thing is not at all limited to which movies are cheapest. Computer and video game use is a big chunk of the DVD market now, and that will be true for the next standard as well. Right now, it looks like the PS3 makes Blu-ray the standard in that area by default.

--Eric
 

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new powerbooks have HD resolution now, right? But yet you can't actually play anything "HD" on them yet, because there isn't a bluray or HD drive... is this correct.
 

Chaszmyr

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Ignore which format is better for now (even though blu-ray is ;) )... Think about how often you are talking and say something like "I got a DVD player" or "I went to the store and bought some DVDs"... Wouldn't it be such a pain to say "I went and bought an HD-DVD"? Wouldn't it be so much nicer to be able to say "I bought a Blu-Ray player"? I mean come on, 2 syllables or 5.