dont get me wrong. i LOVE the quality of bluray movies. i just HATE media. HD's are perfect because you can take one thing with you and have instant access to many movies. "all at the click of a button".
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Blu-ray Support in Mac OS X 10.5.6?
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dont get me wrong. i LOVE the quality of bluray movies. i just HATE media. HD's are perfect because you can take one thing with you and have instant access to many movies. "all at the click of a button".
Hoo-rah. I'd at least like to be able to get an external reader to just use something like HandBrake to get mah durn movies on iTunes. Not ready to blow another $2000 on a new MBP just for BD support.
I am also still astonished at the level of stupidity on this subject.
1) Blu-ray Disc. I know it's hard to remember because it's only, like, everywhere, but get on the truck. It's not Blue Ray. There is no E in the damn name. Never has been, never will be. Ya look stupid when you don't even know the name of the product you're slamming (stupid Windoes!).
2) Downloads aren't going to kill optical media anytime soon. I can buy a 50-disc set of DVD-Rs for about $10. 5GBx50=250GB. I spent $90 for a My Passport 250GB external hard drive ON SALE. Therefore, I spent $80 extra for the same storage space. Optical media will probably be around for a LOOOONG time. BD-R discs are expensive just like CD-R and DVD-R discs were when they first came out. At first BD-Rs were $20 each. They're now under $10 (some as low as $5).
Also, don't forget that not everybody (by a longshot) has broadband Internet. Even if you do, it's s-l-o-w to download even a 720p movie. It's literally faster to drive 10 miles to a store, buy a movie on BD, and come home. You can probably watch one before the download is finished. Broadband will have to jump way beyond the average of 1 or 2Mbps that most people have. Don't forget that people on this board are not "most people."
3) I hate all that DRM crap as much as the next person, but we can't even get it all off music yet. I hope one of these days that the video makers understand that movie pirates will find a way to bypass their DRM while those of us that just want to rip for personal use (and not distribute like crazy) are just inconvenienced by it. DRM-free music hasn't killed the music industry.
I am also still astonished at the level of stupidity on this subject.
1) Blu-ray Disc. I know it's hard to remember because it's only, like, everywhere, but get on the truck. It's not Blue Ray. There is no E in the damn name. Never has been, never will be. Ya look stupid when you don't even know the name of the product you're slamming (stupid Windoes!).
2) Downloads aren't going to kill optical media anytime soon. I can buy a 50-disc set of DVD-Rs for about $10. 5GBx50=250GB. I spent $90 for a My Passport 250GB external hard drive ON SALE. Therefore, I spent $80 extra for the same storage space. Optical media will probably be around for a LOOOONG time. BD-R discs are expensive just like CD-R and DVD-R discs were when they first came out. At first BD-Rs were $20 each. They're now under $10 (some as low as $5).
Also, don't forget that not everybody (by a longshot) has broadband Internet. Even if you do, it's s-l-o-w to download even a 720p movie. It's literally faster to drive 10 miles to a store, buy a movie on BD, and come home. You can probably watch one before the download is finished. Broadband will have to jump way beyond the average of 1 or 2Mbps that most people have. Don't forget that people on this board are not "most people."
3) I hate all that DRM crap as much as the next person, but we can't even get it all off music yet. I hope one of these days that the video makers understand that movie pirates will find a way to bypass their DRM while those of us that just want to rip for personal use (and not distribute like crazy) are just inconvenienced by it. DRM-free music hasn't killed the music industry.
1. meh who cares its only the internet. anyone can do anything.
2. downloads are SLOWLY starting to kill optical media. i now download everything. our house used to buy 5-10 DVD movies a month. now its down to zero. we used to go to the movies about 3 times a month. we now go none, all because i download it.
2.5. yea hardly any1 has broadband, especially here is aus. we struggle to even get ADSL2+ in more than 10% of the nation (if that!). 720p movies are slow because no1 seeds it! im sure if you were doing it legally then it would be downloaded in a flash.
3. meh i have no input on this matter
Courtaj, when you say later, could you please be a little specific
give it a coupla blu moons (hehe notice the link to the topic..haha..uuh...
i guess not)
Is it not possible that 10.5.6 was started a while ago, in parallel with 10.5.5, and includes Blu-Ray support and support for the new laptops to be announced on October 14th?
Why should the seeding of one preclude the release of the other (especially when it would 'give away' the existence of new hardware?
Nig.
I'm afraid that Apple will wait for that... "BIG NEWS! From this day on, blu-ray drives will be included to macs... like most of the other manufacturers have done with PC's for months". Big news for a MAJOR event indeed.
Movies are slow because of connection speeds. You illegally downloading movies is not exactly a prime comparison to a legitimate business model of buying from itunes, amazon, netlifx etc. You defeated your own argument with your "we struggle to even get ADSL2+ in more than 10% of the nation (if that!)" statement. Until, worldwide, both internet connection speeds and the infrastructure behind the internet are such that they can sustain downloads of that size, in mass, physical media will remain a big seller and cash cow for both music and movie companies. Vinyl has seen over a 15% increase in sales last year... so much for wanting everything digital and downloaded then eh?
On the topic however, I have no idea why Apple, a member of the Blu-Ray consortium have yet to add support to their own products. It is rather illogical to me why they haven't added the drives. With the current rumors of new notebooks etc, I can't see them being foolish enough to miss the up and coming holiday period of Christmas by not releasing Blu-Ray capable notebooks.
It's about time.
I really want Blu-ray movie playback support in OS X. I think some people miss the point slightly. It's not just about the extra quality that BDs provide (though that is nice of course), it's the fact that if I buy one I want to be able to play it on my computer without having to also get the dvd!! It doesn't matter if it's image constrained because my monitor and/or video card isn't HDCP compliant if it's as good as (in fact still better than) DVD.
Saying you don't want a feature because Windows made it all bloated is like saying you don't want a GUI because you don't like Microsoft's implementation of it! Have some faith that OS X will deal with this stuff more nicely eh people? At least until we see if it does or not!
I think people who think downloads mean Blu-ray will die a quick death need a reality check. The speeds and usage allowances aren't there for most people in the western world yet, and are unlikely to be for some time. Yes downloads will one day be the way we get films I'm sure, and yes we all know Japan and Sweden and places are fibred up to the hilt, good for them, but even there it's not everywhere, and it will need the US and much more of Europe to have an order of speed greater before it even becomes a real competition.
I really want Blu-ray movie playback support in OS X. I think some people miss the point slightly. It's not just about the extra quality that BDs provide (though that is nice of course), it's the fact that if I buy one I want to be able to play it on my computer without having to also get the dvd!! It doesn't matter if it's image constrained because my monitor and/or video card isn't HDCP compliant if it's as good as (in fact still better than) DVD.
Saying you don't want a feature because Windows made it all bloated is like saying you don't want a GUI because you don't like Microsoft's implementation of it! Have some faith that OS X will deal with this stuff more nicely eh people? At least until we see if it does or not!
I think people who think downloads mean Blu-ray will die a quick death need a reality check. The speeds and usage allowances aren't there for most people in the western world yet, and are unlikely to be for some time. Yes downloads will one day be the way we get films I'm sure, and yes we all know Japan and Sweden and places are fibred up to the hilt, good for them, but even there it's not everywhere, and it will need the US and much more of Europe to have an order of speed greater before it even becomes a real competition.
Apple wouldn't be just beginning work on BluRay. Internal builds will have been developed for the last year.
Well I don't see what kind of support they need? Maybe rename the DVD Player to Bluray Player and incorporate decryption keys. AFAIK there is already Blu-ray support, just the lack of physical software to play movies, etc. You can already burn discs with Toast.
It would be nice if they enabled PureVideo HD or AVIVO HD (depending on if they went NVIDIA or ATi), so even MacBook could play 1080p files. This would be very very nice to have. Obviously, support for HDCP via the DVI port would be kick butt.
I know the desktop cards from both GPU makers have the capability to output audio and video through the DVI port when an HDMI adapter is installed. Again Apple could incorporate this into say a Mac Mini. That way people can hook it up to their TVs, watch 1080p stuff without any lag, have one cable instead of a zillion. Even on the MBP or MB it would useful to have.
It would be nice if they enabled PureVideo HD or AVIVO HD (depending on if they went NVIDIA or ATi), so even MacBook could play 1080p files. This would be very very nice to have. Obviously, support for HDCP via the DVI port would be kick butt.
I know the desktop cards from both GPU makers have the capability to output audio and video through the DVI port when an HDMI adapter is installed. Again Apple could incorporate this into say a Mac Mini. That way people can hook it up to their TVs, watch 1080p stuff without any lag, have one cable instead of a zillion. Even on the MBP or MB it would useful to have.
The problem I have believing that Apple will release a BRD option in their notebooks or iMac anytime soon is the issue with the size drive required. 15" MBPs and 20" iMacs current require a 9.5mm optical drive. 17" MBPs and 24" iMacs require a 12.7mm optical drive.
The latter are prohibitively expensive, even for a reader, which won't make sense in a Mac, and the former doesn't yet exist, as far as I can tell. The BR drives you see in notebooks for $150 are 1.5" notebooks using clunky tray loading drives. I can't see Apple going that route for an optical format that very few people will use.
But Rose stated BR support in 10.5.6. To me, that isn't about adding an internal drives to the Mac line, but simply adding software support for iLife and Por apps and letting users use the cheaper and faster external 3rd-party BRD for their media. MacWorld would be great for new iLife and Pro Apps with this support.
The latter are prohibitively expensive, even for a reader, which won't make sense in a Mac, and the former doesn't yet exist, as far as I can tell. The BR drives you see in notebooks for $150 are 1.5" notebooks using clunky tray loading drives. I can't see Apple going that route for an optical format that very few people will use.
But Rose stated BR support in 10.5.6. To me, that isn't about adding an internal drives to the Mac line, but simply adding software support for iLife and Por apps and letting users use the cheaper and faster external 3rd-party BRD for their media. MacWorld would be great for new iLife and Pro Apps with this support.
i am puzzled at why Apple makes people wait on this.
To wait until macworld would continue the diasppointment of many consumers. they ought to include Blu-Ray Hardware support on the entire macintosh line as new models come out. especially just on the bd-rom reading for superdrives. the tech is there and apple is currently due to refresh the entire line.
Remember virtually every mac model is due for a refresh soon:
Mac Pro
Mac Mini
Macbook Pro
Macbook
Apple Cinema Display (needs to be updated for HDCP compliance for Blu-Ray)
and in about 2 months, iMac, but i wouldn't expect them to update that one until Macworld, they wouldn't update it during November, based on historical update cycle timelines. though they could refresh sooner.
nope, alot of us want to be able to watch our Blu-ray movie content on our laptops while travelling, and NO... dont care about the stupid extra disc that costs $5 more version with Digital copy, just want to watch a movie, without installing in in itunes and such.
i really hope they have made a deal for a slot loading reading drive for laptops. or even on imac's it is so frustrating they don't even give this as an option on BTO macs.
and for those who say the drive doesn't exist, that is just BS
Burning version is avail through third party manufacturer
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/04/07/fastmac-offers-slot-loading-blu-ray-burner/
so there must be a version available or could be made cheaper for reading BD discs and burning CD/DVD content.
We are so naive...
It is good to dream about it, but thinking that apple just started to work on 10.5.6 is just very naive. Apple is probably working on 10.5.7 release by now.
10.5.5 was released to testing months ago. There is no indication of BD support even in next 10.6. BTW, Apple was sitting on both chairs HD-DVD and BD, but none have been implemented. Apple was first to introduce CD in personal computer and they seems to be ahead of everyone this time by eliminating optical drives from computers in a similar fashion of floppy drives.
The max we should expect is to burn and play unencrypted HD content.
Keep on dreaming...
It is good to dream about it, but thinking that apple just started to work on 10.5.6 is just very naive. Apple is probably working on 10.5.7 release by now.
10.5.5 was released to testing months ago. There is no indication of BD support even in next 10.6. BTW, Apple was sitting on both chairs HD-DVD and BD, but none have been implemented. Apple was first to introduce CD in personal computer and they seems to be ahead of everyone this time by eliminating optical drives from computers in a similar fashion of floppy drives.
The max we should expect is to burn and play unencrypted HD content.
Keep on dreaming...
Yes, all of them are overdue.
My guess is that they'll release new versions with BluRay support really soon now.
For the Cinema Display, my guess is that they'll switch to 16:9 and add DisplayPort + HDMI.
I don't think optical media will go away any time soon. People often want to buy and own a film, not just lease it from a store.
However, BluRay will be the last 2D film format. With a resolution of 1920x1080p, it just does not make sense to go any higher. Even cinemas don't use much higher resolutions for digital projections - usually it's just 2K (2048x<whatever>). Analogue projections don't even come close.
Yes. They're also working on 10.6, and most likely have a small team planning for 10.7. It's even likely that some engineers are working on projects for 10.7.
Overlapping development is the standard way of doing things.
1) "a lot of us" means nothing. I'm sure NAMBLA has "a lot" of members, but thankfully the percentage of these sickos in society. are quite low.
2) As for the drive not existing, I pointed out that a 12.7mm drive exists, but a 9.5mm drive does seem to exist yet. Your link only proves my point.
3) They charge $1000 for for 12.7mm slot loading BR SuperDrive. How much lower do you actually think a reader would be? $530 is for the desktop-grade tray-loading BRD.
4) I'm sure you, et al., do want to travel with a bunch of BR discs to run a power sucking BR optical drive that may give you just enough juice to watch a single movie, if your lucky, but I prefer to work in an effective and efficient manner when I travel. So I put my video onto a HDD that uses considerably less power, holds considerably more data,costs considerably less money, and takes up considerably less space per GB.