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Until the Hard Drive crashes and you lose them all at once.

Hopefully it's backed up. I have automatic cloud computng that backs up all my basic notes and contacts and emails (of course) and documents. I travel with a 250GB 2.5" HDD that is powered via FW. It's simple and effective. It's also cheaper than 5 50Gb Blu-ray discs and smaller, too, when you consider their cases.
 
"The new one"? All MacBooks have had a slot-loading drive. They were never changed. This is why I angry with posters on MacRumurs, as opposed to AI, the average age and/or IQ has got to be much, much lower because even the simplest of Google searches seems to be beyond many posters here. Apple transitioned tray-loadng optical drives out of all but the worlstation almost a decade a go and no Intel Mac has had a tray-loading drive, except for the Mac Pro workstation.

You're right, it doesn't mean Apple has to stick with slot-loading drive, but I pointed out incidents where Apple was willing to sacrifice functionality to maintain thinness and noted that they are obsessed with making their hardware thinner. What rationale do you have that a seldom used optical drive would warrant an excessive thickening of the Mac notebook chassis with a a clunky, un-seamless drive that is too expensive for most users, that takes up more space than any other component in the notebook, and holds very little information and is considerably slow compared to HDD and flash storage mediums?

PS: Apple will be phasing be the optical drive out. On the consumer side, the technology is dying. Installing applications and OSes via optical disc is no longer the best method. People don't use their optical drives much as it is and using a Blu-ray reader on a note book to watch a movie with only the battery is foolish, at best. Either Apple will move the optical drive outside of portable Macs with the upcoming case revision or the one after that. That doesn't mean that Blu-ray still can't be supported or be an option when that happened, it just means it won't be an internal solution.

Why are you so bent out of shape about optical drives? Almost every computer sold today has an optical drive. Sure they will be replaced eventually as will every bit of hardware you own.

If Apple phases out the optical drive on this new release they will loose a lot of sales. Many, many, many people still need and use optical drives.

Besides you make it out like they will destroy your precious laptop aesthetics? This is just not true. I think that the Sony Vaio Z is an excellent example of portability and functionality.

All I want is for Apple to release a new line to bring it up to date with what other notebook manufacturers are now offering.

For your information I have been working with computers probably before you were born. I started working with computers in the early seventies. I made the honest mistake on the Macbook drive because I didn't realize that Apple had changed them since I bought my wife's ibook in 2003, only five years by the way not a decade ago. It didn't matter anyway because it was not the point of the argument.

If you don't want to have the choice of a BTO blu-ray drive in the next MBP thats fine. I do want the choice as do many others. I have a large blu-ray collection, I live in an area with poor internet speeds. My nearest video rental store is 25 miles away. I have a 60" pioneer kuro plasma TV. I use a 8 core MacPro with dual 30" cinema displays for work and play.

I have tried Apple's HD itunes service and it stunk. I am not a fan of cloud computing in general because it means I have to rely on someone else's service to access my data. So far I have not been impressed with any of the offerings.
 
You're right, it doesn't mean Apple has to stick with slot-loading drive, but I pointed out incidents where Apple was willing to sacrifice functionality to maintain thinness and noted that they are obsessed with making their hardware thinner. What rationale do you have that a seldom used optical drive would warrant an excessive thickening of the Mac notebook chassis with a a clunky, un-seamless drive that is too expensive for most users, that takes up more space than any other component in the notebook, and holds very little information and is considerably slow compared to HDD and flash storage mediums?

PS: Apple will be phasing be the optical drive out. On the consumer side, the technology is dying. Installing applications and OSes via optical disc is no longer the best method. People don't use their optical drives much as it is and using a Blu-ray reader on a note book to watch a movie with only the battery is foolish, at best. Either Apple will move the optical drive outside of portable Macs with the upcoming case revision or the one after that. That doesn't mean that Blu-ray still can't be supported or be an option when that happened, it just means it won't be an internal solution.

Does Apple have to keep making things slimmer now that they have a slim option in the Macbook Air? If you want slim, and don't care about Blu-Ray buy the MacBook Air? Maybe they will even put out a netbook type laptop too?

Maybe they will choose a slightly thicker and bigger laptop form in order to put Blu-Ray in, and perhaps a bigger battery. Regardless if you want to play Blu-Ray movies or not, few people would not benefit from longer runtime. All of this would be possible with a case redesign (widely rumored) and a move to 16x9 screens (hopefully with 1080p resolution).

I think that Steve Jobs sits on the Board of Disney and probably owns more stock than Walt's kids. Disney is sold out to Blu-Ray, every studio is sold out to Blu-Ray, every other laptop manufacturer has Blu-Ray options and some are dang cheap. Apple's core markets include Video professionals, and in 2005 Steve declared it the year of HD! Its only 3 years late Steve.

My Biggest fear, as stated here by others is will they do it in October or wait for the big Macworld announcement? Because I think the announcement for Blu-Ray would have to be a sweeping announcement of all new hardware across the entire Mac lineup (and cinema Displays). With everything moving to 16X9 screens and getting Blu-ray support.

I have literally had thousands of dollars in the bank waiting for the Blu-Ray announcement. They don't get my dollars until they announce it. I only get a new laptop every five years, so it has to count when I pull the trigger.
 
If Mac Pros are outfitted with 45nm CPUs then there is a short term transition to 32nm versions. This is where Apple has a decision to make on either offering two Mac Pro refreshes within 6 months, create a middle tier box to be one revision behind [45nm while the Mac Pro gets the 32nm]--highly unlikely, or will they stretch out the current boxes and add BTO options for BluRay, more GPUs and such until the 32 nm chips are ready to roll.
Westmere, according to sources and roadmaps, isn't due until end 2009 / early 2010. So it looks like we may see new Mac Pros at the start of every year.
 
The problem I have believing that Apple will release a BRD option in their notebooks or iMac anytime soon is the issue with the size drive required. 15" MBPs and 20" iMacs current require a 9.5mm optical drive. 17" MBPs and 24" iMacs require a 12.7mm optical drive.

The latter are prohibitively expensive, even for a reader, which won't make sense in a Mac, and the former doesn't yet exist, as far as I can tell. The BR drives you see in notebooks for $150 are 1.5" notebooks using clunky tray loading drives. I can't see Apple going that route for an optical format that very few people will use.

But Rose stated BR support in 10.5.6. To me, that isn't about adding an internal drives to the Mac line, but simply adding software support for iLife and Por apps and letting users use the cheaper and faster external 3rd-party BRD for their media. MacWorld would be great for new iLife and Pro Apps with this support.

Not slot load, but according to engadget they do exist at 9.5mm. That was almost a year ago, so maybe Apple will introduce the very first 9.5mm slot loaders?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/27/panasonic-whittles-thinnest-blu-ray-drive-for-laptops-down-to-9/
 
If Apple phases out the optical drive on this new release they will loose a lot of sales. Many, many, many people still need and use optical drives.
I said move to an external setup since they aren't often used, not completely drop the format and forget about it. But the argument that Apple will loose sales from dropping a dying format like DVD is untrue. They dropped floppies, serial and parallel ports before others and they did okay with that. They like to trim the fat. They also like to keep the costs down, which means they aren't coming out with a new model with a cryptic name with every industry change or trying to make a a machine for every possible person out there. They have the MB and MBP. The MB is one size with two different processor speeds. The MBP is 15" or 17" and has 3 different processor speeds. They are the four best Intel has to offer, without being power sucking Extreme chips.

You also have to remember that Apple will keep the same design for the next 3 years. So they need to think ahead when deciding what to keep in their systems. You say they need to bring the mac "up to date" but you're saying this with the originally designed Intel Macs, which haven't been updated since the first part of the year. But that is getting off track, the point is the comments that "Apple/Jobs can do anything because they are Apple/Jobs" and "[Insert OEM] has this [insert buzzword] so Apple should have had [insert previous buzzword]" makes no sense if you aren't looking at the whole picture. You need to ask yourself: Is this a good move for Apple? How does this benefit the majority of Apple's customers? Is this price prohibitive? Does this fit into Apple's philosophy? I think you'll find that turning a Mac notebook into a Dell and does not work for Apple.

Besides you make it out like they will destroy your precious laptop aesthetics? This is just not true. I think that the Sony Vaio Z is an excellent example of portability and functionality.
They [Apple] won't destroy the aesthetics, and i never said they would. In fact I said they won't use a tray-loading drive and thicken up their designs in the process preciously because of the aesthetics. You are the one who is claiming that Apple will do this simply because you want it. You mention 'aesthetics' and then use the Vaio's 'portabilty and funcionlaity' as an example. Does not compute!

All I want is for Apple to release a new line to bring it up to date with what other notebook manufacturers are now offering.
New Macs are in the pipeline. Apple has no choice but to be behind the other OEMs for the majority of its offerings. That is not going to change because there are supply issues involved. Apple dominates the consumer side of higher0end PCs. Where Sony, Dell and HP only need a few of these new Intel chips to accommodate their new BTO systems, Apple needs only a handful of these higher-end Intel chips, but needs a great deal of them and they need to have many thousands in their stores (or on their way) the day they announce these new Macs. This puts Apple at a disadvantage for in the time when other OEMs have the new chips and Apple is waiting for the new chips in bulk. This issue is just cmpounded as they grow.

For your information I have been working with computers probably before you were born. I started working with computers in the early seventies. I made the honest mistake on the Macbook drive because I didn't realize that Apple had changed them since the ibook. It didn't matter anyway because it was not the point of the argument.
They changed to slot-loading in the iBook when they introduced the G4s. They were the last bastion of tray-loading drives in Macs but hat was still a half decade ago.

If you don't want to have the choice of a BTO blu-ray drive in the next MBP thats fine. I do want the choice as do many others. I have a large blu-ray collection, I live in an area with poor internet speeds. My nearest video rental store is 25 miles away. I have a 60" pioneer kuro plasma TV. I use a 8 core MacPro with dual 30" cinema displays for work and play.
If you have a 60" plasma why would you not want a Blu-ray appliance for your playback? The Mac Pro would get a desktop-grade tray-loading BRD. This should be an option because the price is more reasonable and Mac Pros are more likely to be used by professionals that could utilize the drive. But that doesn't explain why Apple would all of a sudden stop being Apple just to offer something that relatively few people use at a price that is considered too expensive for most and that Apple is trying to compete against. It just doesn't make sense.

I have tried Apple's HD itunes service and it stunk. I am not a fan of cloud computing in general because it means I have to rely on someone else's service to access my data. So far I have not been impressed with any of the offerings.
Nothing looks good after Blu-ray and Apple and others had to make concessions with bitrate and HD for the internet. But you need remember that iTS quickly beat out CD sales and is still beating out Amazon despite it's higher bitrate and no DRM. Convenience and 'good enough' is what matters to most people and having a $1000 BRD in a notebook that dies on battery before I can finish a 2 hour movie is not good enough or convenient.

I'm not sure why you haven't stripped the DRM from your BR movies and stored them on a HDD. This way can travel with them much easier and aren't using the originals which can get scratched.
 
Does Apple have to keep making things slimmer now that they have a slim option in the Macbook Air? If you want slim, and don't care about Blu-Ray buy the MacBook Air? Maybe they will even put out a netbook type laptop too?
The slimmer thing is a PITA, but Apple still focuses on it, even with the new Nano. Who would have thought it could be that much thinner from the original Nano. The MBA doesn't work because it uses a slower C2D and has other limitations that make it far from ideal in price, performance and connectivity for most people. It has its niche, but it's small.

Maybe they will choose a slightly thicker and bigger laptop form in order to put Blu-Ray in, and perhaps a bigger battery. Regardless if you want to play Blu-Ray movies or not, few people would not benefit from longer runtime. All of this would be possible with a case redesign (widely rumored) and a move to 16x9 screens (hopefully with 1080p resolution).
Larger battery in a larger case to hold a larger optical drive that can only hold 50GB of data, at most and has horrible read times and even worse writing times when compared to Flash and HDD? Does that really seem like an option to you?

I think that Steve Jobs sits on the Board of Disney and probably owns more stock than Walt's kids. Disney is sold out to Blu-Ray, every studio is sold out to Blu-Ray, every other laptop manufacturer has Blu-Ray options and some are dang cheap. Apple's core markets include Video professionals, and in 2005 Steve declared it the year of HD! Its only 3 years late Steve.
BR in a home appliance for your HDTV is not the same as BR in a $1000 notebook. If Apple was really all about Blu-ray why hasn't it been in the Mac Pro as an option before now? Why do the posters here think that a BR option in a MB is inevitable when no other Mac has gotten the option despite the more pressing need and lower cost for the Mac Pro.

My Biggest fear, as stated here by others is will they do it in October or wait for the big Macworld announcement? Because I think the announcement for Blu-Ray would have to be a sweeping announcement of all new hardware across the entire Mac lineup (and cinema Displays). With everything moving to 16X9 screens and getting Blu-ray support.
What will this do for sales? Will there be an explosion of sales for ugly Macs with large tray-loading BRD? Retro appeal. Or are you talking about $1000 Macs with $1000 BRD? Not much of a market there.

I have literally had thousands of dollars in the bank waiting for the Blu-Ray announcement. They don't get my dollars until they announce it. I only get a new laptop every five years, so it has to count when I pull the trigger.
If you want a desktop Mac you may be in luck, but don't count on an internal drive if you want a notebook. There seems to be too much looking at it from your POV and comparing Apple to other OEMs. If you look at it from Apple's POV there are plenty of reasons why they wouldn't offer it and some why they can't offer it.


Not slot load, but according to engadget they do exist at 9.5mm. That was almost a year ago, so maybe Apple will introduce the very first 9.5mm slot loaders?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/27/panasonic-whittles-thinnest-blu-ray-drive-for-laptops-down-to-9/
I mentioned that article in a previous post. I can't find any evidence to support that they've even been shown off at a fair at this point. Apple does have a history of adopting a tech an getting the company to be hush hush about it, but this doesn't fit the build as it would only cause the price to be excessively higher. It's not a revolutionary new tech that Apple can by exclusive rights to, it's just a slimmer drive.
 
This must happen sooner or later. Although by the time Apple implement it, the PC world would have moved onto the next technology... :rolleyes:
Sony's first laptop with bluray drive came out about two years ago, and cost the same as a Macbook Pro. I'm not sure what's taking Apple so long.


Apple is stubborn and Jobs thinks the longer they delay implementing Blu-ray in Macs will lead to better sales of *allegedly* HD content in the iTunes Store.

Seriously, I wish Apple would've thrown more of their support behind Blu-ray a lot sooner because we might've gotten iPod portable files standard on the Blu-ray movie releases. Then again, Apple's not the only one snoozing...had Sony been fired up on all cylinders, they would've packed UMD discs with the Blu-ray titles to entice consumers to buy the Sony PSP. But of course Sony thinks it wiser to try to sell new releases on UMD for between $15 and $25 which is clinically insane and has hurt the PSP more than they think.
 
It will be great to have support for Blue ray, then again I believe B R is a total waste of time and it will be dead in a few years time.


You obviously don't own Blu-ray or have an appreciation for motion pictures in high resolution.

If it's an opinion based upon economics, please be advised that prices for HDTVs are dropping and there are even Blu-ray players below $300 now.

If you have a PC or a PowerMac/Mac Pro, you can buy an internal Sony BD-Rom drive for about $120.

Oh wait...you are in the UK. I forgot how much a lot of the UK'ers I've conversed with online have such negative feelings about HD since the UK and the BBC are trailing the USA/Canada/Japan on the HD adoption curve. They always seem to cling to the idea that the BBC didn't massively screw up in not having shot Doctor Who in HD from day 1 when they brought the show back in 2005. Of course even then, they were behind most US drama programming which had moved to HD cameras circa 2001 (or earlier). And even before then, the US production teams had used 16mm or better film stock and not cheap video (obviously excluding sitcom productions)... But I do concede that the UK had superior analog colo(u)r television than us since the mid 1970s since PAL was superior to NTSC [well, except for when using the tv for video games]...
 
and in about 2 months, iMac, but i wouldn't expect them to update that one until Macworld, they wouldn't update it during November, based on historical update cycle timelines. though they could refresh sooner.


Personally, I think Apple waiting for MacWorld for new hardware releases is ridiculous because they miss the Christmas/Holiday season.

I have my fingers crossed that we'll see new hardware in the next few weeks and then Apple use MacWorld to hype Snow Leopard; Mobile Me working properly; and another new iPhone which not only adds new features to stay competitive with all the new touchscreen phones (like the T-Mobile G1) but also encompasses and harnesses Snow Leopard's features and Mobile Me syncing.

I guess if I renew with T-Mobile with a 2 year contract for the G1, it'll take me to the time that Apple's exclusive contract with AT&T here in the USA expires. Of course, I'm also hoping that AT&T spins off their wireless division (again) and buys Vodafone's stake in Verizon Wireless in order to clear the way for the eventual AT&T/Verizon merger. Vodafone could then buy out the former AT&T/Cingular Wireless company and bring their worldwide economies-of-scale to reduce handset prices and also invest in building a decent GSM/3G/4G network in this nation since AT&T certainly can't/won't.
 
Personally, I think Apple waiting for MacWorld for new hardware releases is ridiculous because they miss the Christmas/Holiday season.

I have my fingers crossed that we'll see new hardware in the next few weeks and then Apple use MacWorld to hype Snow Leopard; Mobile Me working properly; and another new iPhone which not only adds new features to stay competitive with all the new touchscreen phones (like the T-Mobile G1) but also encompasses and harnesses Snow Leopard's features and Mobile Me syncing.

I guess if I renew with T-Mobile with a 2 year contract for the G1, it'll take me to the time that Apple's exclusive contract with AT&T here in the USA expires. Of course, I'm also hoping that AT&T spins off their wireless division (again) and buys Vodafone's take in Verizon Wireless in order to clear the way for the eventual AT&T/Verizon merger. Vodafone could then buy out the former AT&T/Cingular Wireless company and bring their worldwide economies-of-scale to reduce handset prices and also invest in building a decent GSM/3G/4G network in this nation since AT&T certainly can't/won't.

YES! A mobile phone monopoly! What could possibly be wrong with that?
 
Blieve it or not there are people that want to see blu-ray on macs. Just because you dont doesnt mean others do.

people are treating blu-ray like it will take over your system. thats not the case.
 
It will be great to have support for Blue ray, then again I believe B R is a total waste of time and it will be dead in a few years time.

can we say the same for macs and apple in general? :rolleyes:

You obviously don't own Blu-ray or have an appreciation for motion pictures in high resolution.

He doesnt. He might as well just watch VHS as "DVDs are a total waste of time" Bluray is really DVD 2.0 if he doesnt like the features of blu-ray then he wont like the DVD features ad they are basicly the same thing, just more interactive.
 
Once almighty Steve says that Blu-ray will be included to Macs (and in his typical style tells how awesome it is and how good 1080p looks), most people here will start to support Blu-ray. Until that happens, it's the same old 'Apple doesn't support it yet, so it isn't cool' story.

I know. People need to grow up and have an open mid....
 
YES! A mobile phone monopoly! What could possibly be wrong with that?


Well, the way it is in the USA, we're going to get down to 2 large mobile phone companies tied to traditional POTS. Instead of competing against POTS, they are welding mobile phone services with POTS to protect their near monopolies. Unless something happens, it is going to be between AT&T and Verizon Wireless. I would like to see Vodafone - a purely wireless international phone company - enter the market without the strings that are currently tied to them. They were stupid for having merged "Vodafone Airtouch" with what became Verizon Wireless because since Verizon backed CDMA, it did not bring cost savings from the rest of Vodafone's holdings. Thus if Vodafone sold or swapped their near 50% stake in Verizon Wireless to AT&T in exchange for AT&T's wireless division - which like Vodafone backs GSM - then we'd have an international heavyweight that could compete not just in terms of mobile service, but mobile service against POTS.

A monopoly on POTS is just a monopoly for poor and old customers. It is dying off like non-broadband 56k ISPs. Let AT&T and Verizon merge. Sure, they'll have a monopoly, but they'd then combine AT&T U-Verse and Verizon's FIOS fiber optic television services together and that would lead to a really serious competitor to cable tv providers and the satellite services. It would be a next-gen slugfest. It might even cause the eventual company built from the merger of Comcast and Time Warner Cable into lowering prices. And then they all will be competing against DirecTV which will have acquired Dish Network by that time.



However, BluRay will be the last 2D film format. With a resolution of 1920x1080p, it just does not make sense to go any higher. Even cinemas don't use much higher resolutions for digital projections - usually it's just 2K (2048x<whatever>). Analogue projections don't even come close.


No. 35mm "analogue" projections are the equivalent of 4K resolution projectors...the type of projectors Sony likes selling to cinema chains. For the home consumer market, the only thing close under development is in Japan and known as "Ultra HD" which is 2160p resolution. We're a long way from homes or the cinema delivering an HD solution that equals 70mm. The one true area that HD projections beat "analogue" projections is that digital always delivers the same presentation level whereas film degrades [wear & tear] each time it is presented [which is why seeing a motion picture when it first opens generally has the best quality]...well, that and cutting out delivery and duplication costs from the margins.

Blu-ray could be used to deliver 2160p to the consumer because the studios can make 3 and 4 layer BDs. However, by that point, Sony & Co. would probably bring out Super Blu-ray since they'd want to increase the available bandwidth to truly match performance with that resolution. Otherwise, they'd be replicating the mistakes of HD DVD which had a very inferior bandwidth transmission than Blu-ray.
 
It's amazing how inaccurate this is. Vinyl sales are increasing because of young people. Heard of scene kids? That's where your vinyl sales are coming from. Also, I'm sure that those people who enjoy pinching pennies notice that vinyl albums can sometimes be half the price as the CD, and usually include a free digital download.

no freebies in my country, so yea no. oohh look out the scene kids are gonna take over the market and start nipping all the sales from CD's!! next they'll start buying floppy disks and other outdated pieces of crap.

Until the Hard Drive crashes and you lose them all at once.

ever heard of Mr. Raid??
 
What does it mean to add Blu-ray support?

Applications already support it in Leopard, Roxio Toast, a new app ArchiveMac, and even base Leopard disk utility.

LG makes an excellent Blu-ray burner that Newegg is selling for $249. It can also read HD-DVD if anyone cares anymore.
 
Also to anyone that compares video streaming and calling it high quality are completely out of touch with what Bluray has to offer. Bluray offer 1920x1080 24p with H.264 or VC-1 or even MPEG-2 with bitrates as high as 40Mbps. The audio can be as high as 20Mbps. Yes you read that right. I have a concert BD that uses 5.1 channel 24-bit/96kHz PCM for an audio only bitrate of 13.6Mbps. If you guys want to compare this kind of capability with a 5Mbps or 6Mbps HD stream for both audio and video, I pity you guys.
Bluray makes a huge difference when it comes to displaying on a big screen and a good audio environment. Yes, this is not how majority of people watch home A/V, but again - we are talking about high quality here, not lowest common denominator.
Word!
I really don't get it when people say 5Mbps is as HD as 40Mbps.
Anyway blu-ray is now _the only one_ standardized physical medium for hd for small scale distribution or consumer distribution. So it is not a question of how good it is, it just is the only one.
We need standards; you can't sell content in a store or send a product to a client with pages long specs how to playback it and have a doubt that it's not working.
If Apple would like to make another standard, they should standardize it through ISO & IEEE.

Also these standards have to live a decade or two, so when they are released they have to be very expensive state-of-the-art, because it takes 2-3 years for early adaptors to adapt it and about 5 years to masses to accept it and that's when prices go down. And that's also about time when new standard will be released.
In 2015 we will have 8-layer bd disks (=200GB) for $2-4 and price of 64GB ssd will be ten times more. Hdd's will be quite gone, so there's no question that optical storage will still be around.
 
1. illegally downloaded movies (and everything else) is a darn good comparison. if you think about it..if you go onto a torrent site and look at how many times a movie has been downloaded, you will see that it can easily go higher than 100,000 times. that could mean 100,000 more sales for a company. which is quite a lot! it may not be a true comparison, but it is definately biting into the consumer's decisions about whether to go 'legal' or not.

we struggle to get the faster speeds because of our largeness, that doesnt mean that the 10% (which is where around 80% of our population lives) doesnt have fast speeds. if movies were available at HD/BR quality then many people would download them, even on a 256kb cap it wouldnt take that long and would be much faster than on some torrent sites.

oh and vinyl sales has increased probably because old people still think they are 'hip' and 'in with in', and cant adjust to change. but u know... ahwell (ignore the stereotype)

Wow... some serious gripes with physical and optical media in this thread...

My point is that the penetration of Internet connections over 2mb is actually pretty small worldwide. If I want to download a film, length of approximately 2 hours, you are looking at a file size of about 1.5 GB from iTunes. It will take about 1 and a half hours to download at 2mb. Now if you are capped at your "it won't take very long" 256kb, then it will take nearer 13 hours...

In the UK, the average speed is about 4mb. Now imagine everyone downloading films online as that is the only way to obtain them, it just wouldn't work in the current state. Despite the media hype, a small percentage of connected internet users use P2P to download films illegaly, and even with that small proportion, ISPs are unable to cope with the amount of bandwdth required of them, hence the capping. The small number of people using the BBC iPlayer is enough to cause concern to UK ISPs with regards to bandwidth issues. Bringing me back once again to that fact that the entire infrastructure of the internet needs an overhaul if its is to be able to sustain the selling of digital media.

Also what are you arguing about when it comes to the legal or not legal issue? What difference does that make to the argument that optical media will remain here for the foreseeable?


And lastly, what are you on about when it comes to vinyl... it was merely an example of how physical media is still in demand. Businesses work on a meet the demand model.
 
And lastly, what are you on about when it comes to vinyl... it was merely an example of how physical media is still in demand. Businesses work on a meet the demand model.

Exactly, vinyl is still in demand. It has outlasted 8-tracks, cassettes, DAT, DCC, and MD. There may have been a surge in sales recently due to the young crowd, but vinyl has stuck around this long because people enjoy the sound and the process involved in listening to it.

There is a ritual in listening to a record. At most I have about 20 minutes before I have to flip the record or throw on a new one. It forces me to pay attention to the music. In fact I will often just sit in the sweet spot and do nothing except listen. It's at that point that I'm glad that I spend the time and money on system. A well-mastered record on a high-quality, well-maintained turntable sounds incredible. If I'm busy doing things around the house I'll throw on a CD or plug in the iPod, but that greatly reduces my enjoyment of the music because I'm too busy to give it much attention.

I have a huge attachment to physical media. I haven't bought a single track off of iTunes because I don't see the point in paying the same price for music that is compressed, void of packaging, and locked down by DRM. The only MP3s I have downloaded were exclusive free tracks from the artists directly. I also try to avoid buying software that is download-only. If there is an option to get it on a disc, I go for it.

On the whole Blu-ray thing, I agree that Apple is way behind on this. I hope that when they do finally release Macs with Blu-ray BTO options that they don't do it with much too much fanfare. That would make them look silly as they are already 2 or 3 years behind everyone else. At this point I don't have a HDTV or a BD player, but I will in the future when the price is right. Download HD video? You've got to be kidding me! Maybe ten years from now the internet will be fast enough, but not now.

I see a lot of people complaining about how much battery life would suffer if Macs had Blu-ray drives. How often would you watch a 2 hour movie on battery power? Where are you at for that long without access to AC? Camping in the woods? :p OK, I jest, but come on. Doing anything CPU or GPU intensive is going to drain the battery quickly. I see lots of people playing video games at my uni. They are almost always plugged in at the time. And the price of Blu-ray drives? Who cares if they are expensive? There are obviously plenty of people willing to pay for them. Let them have a BTO option.
 
i think there will be a big "blue-event" in january (mwsf) and apple will release macpro with bluray and also new ACDs with hdmi/hdcp.. (im praying for that)

They need a hell of a lot more than just HDMI and HDCP. Non-crappy specs in general would be a good start. :)
 
They need a hell of a lot more than just HDMI and HDCP. Non-crappy specs in general would be a good start. :)

New ACDs would be getting higher ppi. The problem with higher ppi is the lack of effective Resolution Independence in Leopard. Updated ACDs are so long overdue that Apple may be waiting until they get RI worked out.

PS: New ACDs would mostly included iSight camera, IR receiver, adnd DisplayPort, not HDMI or DVI.
 
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