Blue-Ray with the upcoming MacBook Pro Revision ???

[Firefly2002]

Makes more sense with an "e", too, since it's an explicit reference to the laser technology. They might as well spell it Blu-Rae now just to be cute =x

But it does look like Apple's managed to trademark a color... Product Red, right?

 

[UltraNEO*]

But considering blu ray movie is like 27gigs for 2 hours its not very convinient downloading and storing them. Ofcourse you can compress it but then it starts to lose its quality and thats pointless for hd content.

I assume your talking about uncompressed data here...
Get yourself some fibre, at 120MB/s (synchronous) you won't know it's 27GB!

 

[alphaod]

But considering blu ray movie is like 27gigs for 2 hours its not very convinient downloading and storing them. Ofcourse you can compress it but then it starts to lose its quality and thats pointless for hd content.

I can compress and store a 1080p 3 hour Blu-ray movie at around 12GB.

But it does look like Apple's managed to trademark a color... Product Red, right?

You have no idea

 

[Firefly2002]

I can compress and store a 1080p 3 hour Blu-ray movie at around 12GB.



You have no idea

Just a friendly request... get off your high horse.

 

[alphaod]

Just a friendly request... get off your high horse.

Just providing information. Never was on one

 

[Firefly2002]

Just providing information. Never was on one

The wording and the rolleyes suggested otherwise :x

But I'll take your word for it. Sorry.

 

[piimaPAKK]

I assume your talking about uncompressed data here...
Get yourself some fibre, at 120MB/s (synchronous) you won't know it's 27GB!

Its compressed to the blu ray standard, that is almost compression artefact free but not 100%. The trailers on apple.com are much more compressed and have lots of artefacts, if thats the quality Jobs has in mind for digital hd videos then no thanks.

For the record uncompressed 1080p video with no audio is 5,9megs per frame @30fps that comes down to 10gigs per minute.

 

[Yixian]

What the hell are these people smoking that they think HD downloads are going to replace blu ray as a format? I mean hahaha, seriously, what?

Blu ray will be the de facto HD movie storage medium and the de facto new optical storage format.

There's no two ways about it.

I have a feeling all this is just self-delusion so that when Apple leave blu ray out of the MBP in an act of typical margin-expanding customer-screwing idiocy, these fanboys can blindly trumpet that it's because "blu ray isn't useful and it's too high end and and and.. too expensive!"

Get real, it's standard technology now, the only reason Apple might leave it out is because you people will buy anything off them regardless of how overpriced and feature-starved it is for it's class.

 

[iMacmatician]

But considering blu ray movie is like 27gigs for 2 hours its not very convinient downloading and storing them. Ofcourse you can compress it but then it starts to lose its quality and thats pointless for hd content.

What about 1080p H.264?

What the hell are these people smoking that they think midrange GPUs are going to be suitable for the MBP as a GPU? I mean hahaha, seriously, what?

High-end GPUs will be are already the de facto GPU for $2.5k notebooks and the de facto new pro GPU level.

There's no two ways about it.

I have a feeling all this is just self-delusion so that when Apple leave the HD 3850 / 9700M / 9800M out of the next MBP in an act of typical margin-expanding (Apple's reducing margins...) customer-screwing idiocy, these fanboys can blindly trumpet that it's because "high-end GPUs aren't useful for pro Macs and it's too high end and it's too hot and and.. too expensive!"

Get real, it's standard technology now, the only reason Apple might leave it out is because you people will buy anything off them regardless of how overpriced and feature-starved it is for it's class.

Fixed that for you.

And...

1. Hard drives are getting bigger so the large size problem won't be as bad.
2. Apple STILL doesn't even have a SuperDrive in the low-end MacBook and Mac mini. Even if Apple released a Blu-ray option in the Mac Pros now, how long do you think it'll take until it goes down to the MacBook and Mac mini? And it'll be BD-ROM first, then BD-RE. Probably several years for BD-ROM and over five years for BD-RE.

For the record uncompressed 1080p video with no audio is 5,9megs per frame @30fps that comes down to 10gigs per minute.

 

[CWallace]

sony vaio Z series...nuff said.

Sony has a vested interest in driving the adoption of Blu-Ray because it is their technology and they invested a mint in bringing it to market.

Apple has a vested interest in driving the adoption of downloaded movies because they have the best delivery option right now.

nuff said.

 

[Creibold]

IF a blu-Ray drive was to show up in the next revision of the MBP, I wonder how much heat it would generate? I would imagine that given the size of the disk space and price that these things need a lot of power to do what they are doing... enough to say, slow down the entire system while burning/reading/writing and then all the heat associated with it. From a design standpoint it may just not be feasible.

 

[SchneiderMan]

Bingo. That's EXACTLY what I mean. There is NO usable battery life whatsoever, so until there is, there will be no Blu-ray.



Battery life, please.

take a look at this new one?
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...Id=8198552921644570896&parentCategoryId=16154

 

[Tallest Skil]

take a look at this new one?
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...Id=8198552921644570896&parentCategoryId=16154

It says "5.5 hour standard life" and "Blu-ray option". This leads me to strongly believe that they're talking about battery life with the CD/DVD drive. Companies don't really want to tout Blu-ray battery life, do they?

 

[noodle654]

It says "5.5 hour standard life" and "Blu-ray option". This leads me to strongly believe that they're talking about battery life with the CD/DVD drive. Companies don't really want to tout Blu-ray battery life, do they?

Here you go....actual battery life with the included in price battery---->http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4519

 

[Tallest Skil]

Here you go....actual battery life with the included in price battery---->http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4519

That's probably one of the better battery lives out there. "Movie range and safe shutdown", eh? So about 90 minutes of battery life... pathetic.

This is less important, but what about Blu-ray data? That would be REALLY hard to find, and not many people use their laptops to read/write to Blu-ray for data, but I'm guessing that it would be in between a usable battery life and the movie-watching one.

Thanks for finding that. Kudos.

 

[noodle654]

That's probably one of the better battery lives out there. "Movie range and safe shutdown", eh? So about 90 minutes of battery life... pathetic.

This is less important, but what about Blu-ray data? That would be REALLY hard to find, and not many people use their laptops to read/write to Blu-ray for data, but I'm guessing that it would be in between a usable battery life and the movie-watching one.

Thanks for finding that. Kudos.

I thought it wasnt that bad either...I mean its bad...but not like the other ones that I linked before. I think it would be acceptable if you could watch a movie (in Blu-Ray) and still have about 1-2 hours left. The MBP/MB may not have blu-ray, but I know I can watch movies and still have enough time left to do whatever for an 1.5 hours.

 

[kingshrubb]

I think it'd be cool if they put no drive in it, and gave you an external Blue-Ray drive in the bag. I'm gonna guess that pretty much everyone disagrees with me, but I thought it would be a decent idea since most (?) programs you just install once and you don't need the disk every time you want to use the program. So, like, use the external BRD to install all your programs at home, then when your out and about on the train, airport, w/e, your MBP will be lighter and have better battery power.

 

[squeeks]

But considering blu ray movie is like 27gigs for 2 hours its not very convinient downloading and storing them. Ofcourse you can compress it but then it starts to lose its quality and thats pointless for hd content.

on a little 15" screen whats it matter???

 

[benmrii]

Sony has a vested interest in driving the adoption of Blu-Ray because it is their technology and they invested a mint in bringing it to market.

Apple has a vested interest in driving the adoption of downloaded movies because they have the best delivery option right now.

nuff said.

I have to say, that is a fantastic observation. I honestly figured we would be getting one in the next iteration of the MBPro at least, but I think you make a solid point and it probably won't be there until Blu-Ray is the industry standard for both movies and computer media.

 

[Firefly2002]

What the hell are these people smoking that they think HD downloads are going to replace blu ray as a format? I mean hahaha, seriously, what?

People probably would have said the same thing about CDs. Actually, I'll bet they did ... it was predicted, you know. But at the time when 28.8k was considered fast, the internet didn't strike anyone was a viable medium.

People download whole CDs all the time. They download DVDs all the time. People are beginning to download Blu-Ray images now, as well.

Believe it, it will happen eventually. That's how the market's leading.

Blu ray will be the de facto HD movie storage medium and the de facto new optical storage format.

Well, obviously it's going to be the de facto optical storage format, as it's been named the successor for DVDs. Whether or not it's the de facto HD movie storage medium in anything other than name remains to be seen.

There's no two ways about it.

That was cute.

I have a feeling all this is just self-delusion so that when Apple leave blu ray out of the MBP in an act of typical margin-expanding customer-screwing idiocy, these fanboys can blindly trumpet that it's because "blu ray isn't useful and it's too high end and and and.. too expensive!"

No. I don't want Blu-Ray. I don't care about Blu-Ray. I don't have to justify anything, and I'm not a "fanboy"; despite being a Mac user for about 15 years, I don't particualrly like Apple or their practices (I like their products, of course), and I think Jobs is about as worthy of adoration as dead skunk. I have zero respect for him as a person. That being said, I do want to get a MacBook Pro. If I want HD in a few years (assuming I'm not just downloading HD DivX files of the movies I want to my external FW800 [FW3200?] 8 TB HDD), I'll buy a Blu-Ray optical drive for my MacBook Pro for $99.... and no harm done.

Get real, it's standard technology now, the only reason Apple might leave it out is because you people will buy anything off them regardless of how overpriced and feature-starved it is for it's class.

Why don't you get real? The majority of people buying MacBook Pros, I'd wager, are people who have traditionally used PCs. They're also mostly (I say mostly, not all) people who don't care worth a damn about Blu-Ray, like myself. The people who do care just tend to be rather vocal about it.

Why are you even here? All you seem to do is pester people and call everyone who disagrees with your pessimistic, provincial views "mindless fanboys." I don't expect that endears you to many... what's your goal here?

 

[alphaod]

What the hell are these people smoking that they think HD downloads are going to replace blu ray as a format? I mean hahaha, seriously, what?

I pay $90 a month on fiber so I can download anything and everything as quickly as possible; 1080p HD downloads is very real for me.

 

[benmrii]

I pay $90 a month on fiber so I can download anything and everything as quickly as possible; 1080p HD downloads is very real for me.

Hopefully that will more and more become the standard, or at the very least it remain an option.

Also, I'm jealous.

 

[Michael CM1]

I think it'd be cool if they put no drive in it, and gave you an external Blue-Ray drive in the bag. I'm gonna guess that pretty much everyone disagrees with me, but I thought it would be a decent idea since most (?) programs you just install once and you don't need the disk every time you want to use the program. So, like, use the external BRD to install all your programs at home, then when your out and about on the train, airport, w/e, your MBP will be lighter and have better battery power.

I think a lot of people would have no problem with Apple beginning Blu-ray Disc support that way. All new Macs would need HDCP video adapters and displays, but then you're not tied down to BD. I don't think most people would want to play BDs on the go with the rumored battery life, but I know I would love a reader just so I can find someone who makes software like HandBrake for it.

I also keep seeing a lot of really really dumb points, ideas, etc. on here.

1) Jobs believes in this whole download fantasy, but not everybody even has access to broadband (I know someone in the Memphis burbs). I also guarantee you that most people (like me) don't want to download video that can only be played using a computer, portable media device, or a set-top box. They want to use discs. Optical drives have been around for about 30 years, and I don't see them going away anytime soon because one CEO thinks his idea is more practical. It may be better, but not more practical. Oh yeah, don't forget that anything downloaded is compressed. Compare the lossless audio formats to compressed audio. There is a difference. With video, it's more noticeable. This would also require oodles of disk space. What is the cheapest method of storage nowadays? Um, DVDs.

2) Most of us aren't wanting to put BDs in our computers so we can get HD content on there. We want another way to watch BDs.

 

[Cave Man]

I pay $90 a month on fiber so I can download anything and everything as quickly as possible; 1080p HD downloads is very real for me.

Maybe even real for the rest of us.

 

[iMacmatician]

on a little 15" screen whats it matter???

On a little high-resolution screen it will. In fact anything over 640*480 will show a difference, although said difference will increase as the resolution increases.

1) I also guarantee you that most people (like me) don't want to download video that can only be played using a computer, portable media device, or a set-top box.

What do you want to play it on? Don't say TV because that's what the Apple tv's for.

They want to use discs. Optical drives have been around for about 30 years, and I don't see them going away anytime soon because one CEO thinks his idea is more practical. It may be better, but not more practical.

The floppy drive would like to disagree with you.

Oh yeah, don't forget that anything downloaded is compressed. Compare the lossless audio formats to compressed audio. There is a difference. With video, it's more noticeable.

Blu-ray's compressed too.

This would also require oodles of disk space. What is the cheapest method of storage nowadays? Um, DVDs.

I find DVDs much more cumbersome and inconvenient than flash drives and external hard drives. They far outstrip the cost advantage (if there even is anymore) of optical media.

2) Most of us aren't wanting to put BDs in our computers so we can get HD content on there. We want another way to watch BDs.

All you seem to do is pester people and call everyone who disagrees with your pessimistic, provincial views "mindless fanboys." I don't expect that endears you to many... what's your goal here?

Maybe s/he's being realistic... and maybe that realism is difficult for some members here to accept.