Bob Mansfield's Return to Apple Reportedly Influenced by Scott Forstall's Departure

[slayerz96]

Why is everyone forgetting about Craig Federighi? He took over iOS from Forstall. Ive is now responsible for UI/UX but that's across the whole company, not just iOS. To be honest I'm hoping the first thing on Ive's list is to do something with TV. Talk about a UI that needs work.

So far Craig has been doing a pretty good job on OS X IMO. The integration of some iOS features into ML was smartly done.

I'm quite confident that he will be fine taking over iOS.

 

[iGrip]

Hey MacRumors,

Have you considered making an Apple drama forum?

Thanks.

Go to AppleInsider. That is what they specialize in. Rabid Fanbois getting their panites in a twist about the latest outrage, and stuff like that.

When there is a hard news story about Apple, almost nobody comments. But when Microsoft or the British Court or Samsung or any of the enemies du jour are mentioned, they howl at the moon about the indignities and injustices.

It is the most entertaining display of circle-jerking righteous indignation available on the internet. They take this sheet PERSONALLY.

 

[franswa za]

times are a changing, trends and competition too, apple needs to adapt, thanks tim

 

[gnasher729]

I'm sure that a lot of Apple employees, both those pro and anti Forstall visit MacRumors, and all this speculation will do nothing for harmony within Apple.

The pro-Forstall group will soon be a pro-some-ex-employee group. If he was someone's boss, that person will soon have a different boss who expects to have their full loyalty and support. Now if that person is in their position not because they are good at their job but because they were a good friend of Forstall, they might be in trouble. And if you can't give your full loyalty and support to your new boss, you and your new boss will have to think about your position.

 

[deconstruct60]

S If Jobs really loved Forstall so much, why didn't he groom Forstall - not Cook - to be CEO of the company? It would appear that even Steve Jobs knew of Forstall's limitations.

Jobs groomed a couple of folks for the job. Only a very bad CEO would groom just one and only one replacement. There needs to be a couple of internal alternates available at all times for all strategic positions.

Cook was (and is) just better at the variety of tasks assigned than Forstall was. He turned into a relatively decent 'attack dog' Jobs could park on iOS but not really well rounded enough to be CEO.

When Jobs jerked on his choke chain and said "sit" Forstall would comply. Apparently Forstall thought that Cook was just CEO on paper. The key issue is that Forstall doesn't seem to know Forstall's limitations.

 

[Bensalama21]

It's clear now that Scott was only kept because Steve liked him. Thank Goodness Steve highly recommended Tim and not Scott.

There was a reason for that!

 

[gnasher729]

Why is everyone forgetting about Craig Federighi? He took over iOS from Forstall. Ive is now responsible for UI/UX but that's across the whole company, not just iOS. To be honest I'm hoping the first thing on Ive's list is to do something with TV. Talk about a UI that needs work.

From a company point of view, Apple TV sells about 5 million units a year, that's $500 million revenue. I would think there are some absolutely higher priorities.

 

[foxnews1]

everyone start to hate Forstall's aggressive style and how his team hate this style... and letting him go is a good thing...


well, remember this: Steve Jobs was aggressive. many people did not like SJ. they even kicked him out of his found company. Consumers dislike his rude and dry email responses.

Do you see the similarity between Forstall and SJ (being kicked out)? To get things done, you got to be brutal sometime. with this tyle, SJ and Forstall created what Apple is today. No one can dispute this success.


SJ will not let Forstall go. and the other camps (MS, Google) are smiling if he got kicked out. The emperor is gone, and now his right hand man got kicked out. what will happens to the empire that they created?

 

[croooow]

The emperor is gone, and now his right hand man got kicked out. what will happens to the empire that they created?

If Steve Jobs was Robert Baratheon and Scott Forstall was Eddard Stark, that means we are left with King Joffery and his Mother?

 

[pdjudd]

well, remember this: Steve Jobs was aggressive. many people did not like SJ. they even kicked him out of his found company. Consumers dislike his rude and dry email responses.?

Very different set of stations with Steve Jobs. Very different. For one, Jobs was actually very visionary and created good stuff.

 

[iChrist]

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Is there truth to the rumors that Forstall was actually Jobs son?

 

[SirHaakon]

Was Forstall trying to be a mini-Steve?

I think that's exactly what it was.

I'm actually fairly shocked at how many of the top executives at Apple disliked Forstall.

Couldn't you tell how douchey he is from the keynotes? lol

 

[rumplestiltskin]

So happy Mansfield is back "big-time".

Skeuomorphism is only needed when the paradigm shift is so great that the "new" is totally unrecognizable without references to the "old". How much of the "old" is needed on an iOS or OSX desk calendar?

Jony Ive needs to be reined in occasionally (computers that can't be repaired because they're glued together, G5/Intel towers that require a complete disassembly just to swap out a bad power supply) so Mansfield's presence should bring a bit more practical sanity to the process.

99% of Steve's way was good but that 1% not-so-good could never be removed from Apple as long as Steve was there. Over time, that 1% grew and grew simply because it couldn't be excised. Apple will now be a better company post-Steve because the 1% crap can finally be called the Emperor's new clothes without fear.

Time to buy more Apple stock.

 

[unplugme71]

Scott was great for iOS 1, 2, and 3. After that I was like, it needs change. Never saw it. I was no longer excited about keynotes after that.

I'm sure he did well up until then, but he lost it and its good that he's out.

 

[Oman]

Forstall appears to be like a Base Commander that is loved and protected by the Commanding General. None of the other base Commanders care for him but they know the Commanding General loves him and most people agree he runs a tight ship. Most figured the Commanding General would recommend his favorite base commander for the Commad Posiiton but thats the brilliance of the Commanding General, he knows whom would make a good leader and whom would not thus before the Generals Departure he hand the Command over to not his beloved Base commander whom has been with him and whom he have protected but to someone else. Everyone knew including the General knew that his base commander would not last without him around and so here we are, Forstall is out because he lacks the skills to lead on the level of a Commanding General and everyone knew it.

 

[Scott6666]

If Steve Jobs was Robert Baratheon and Scott Forstall was Eddard Stark, that means we are left with King Joffery and his Mother?

Oh, please! Please stop. Just stop.

 

[Rogifan]

From a company point of view, Apple TV sells about 5 million units a year, that's $500 million revenue. I would think there are some absolutely higher priorities.

Not if Apple has bigger plans in the TV space.

 

[Scott6666]

To get things done, you got to be brutal sometime.

SJ will not let Forstall go.

Ask Scott if Tim can be brutal. Maybe you'll now get a yes answer.

Also, SJ is dead. I doubt he will bring Scott back. He will let him go.

 

[TC03]

I really don't think Forstall's deperature has something to do with executives being disappointed by the lack of renewel in iOS. I think it's just Siri, Maps and other disagreements, just like previous articles stated.

To be honoust, I think iOS is great. It does a great job being powerful yet keeping this simple for the user. That's what people love so much about iOS and that's what they'll continue to love. Maye on the iPad, a more 'challenging' GUI can be useful, but on the iPhone, iOS is great as it is, really.

The looks of iOS, by some said to be out-dated, are beautiful. It's just that maybe we've gotten used to it, but really isn't. The homescreen still looks better than any other phone. This is due to the icons, the font rendering, the dock. The apps bring a lot of color, the dock is simple yet elegant. The menu's are perfect: elegant, nice switches, very well structured, very intuitive. Windows Phone and Android are A LOT worse on this part. Also the notifications are superb, very simple, neat, and not to forget: useful! Far better than notifications on any other devices (though I haven't checked out JB that thorougly, I admit).

iOS could be improved, but a complete overhaul? No! I love it the way it is, it is almost perfect. Just improve, don't re-do it.

 

[Aldaris]

conclusion of the story: everybody hates Forstall now that Jobs is no longer here to keep him

Personally I think Steve was more able to keep him bridled in a bit, with Steve's passing Forstall's ego has gotten the best of him. It's easy to play the game when there's a ref, when there is no ref, well people don't like playing with a douchebag. Especially when their sticking their nose in YOUR department.

 

[Vodka]

damn, i love this fatso's smile, he look so kind and optimistic
apple just need people like that

 

[croooow]

Oh, please! Please stop. Just stop.

Calm down, it was just a joke. That is what the "winky face" was meant to indicate. Besides, following the logic of Apple and A Song of Ice and Fire, Steve Jobs would be Aegon Targaryen, the "founder" of the Seven Kingdoms, almost 300 years before Robert and Eddard "left the Kingdom"

I think Apple is in good hands right now.

 

[TRMC13]

I for one can't wait to see Ive off the leash, and with support from Mansfield, Cue and Cook, we could be in for a very exciting few years from Apple.

 

[kas23]

I think this just cements the idea that Forstall, love him or hate him, just had to go. You can have top executives avoiding each other or only meeting with Tim Cook in the room to mediate. I would say that they were all immature babies and they should all grow up, but now we have a pattern of people not wanting to interact with Forstall. He was the common problem, this needed to be fixed. And I blame Jobs for not fixing this problem years ago.

 

[TC03]

I think this just cements the idea that Forstall, love him or hate him, just had to go. You can have top executives avoiding each other or only meeting with Tim Cook in the room to mediate. I would say that they were all immature babies and they should all grow up, but now we have a pattern of people not wanting to interact with Forstall. He was the common problem, this needed to be fixed. And I blame Jobs for not fixing this problem years ago.

I think the problem increased when Forstall maintained his attitude even though he hadn't don't anything relevant besides Siri and Maps. That can cause friction.