Books Discussion?

cube

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Can we have a Books Discussion? Like there is for Music, Video, and Photography?
 

angelwatt

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Are you talking paper books or the coming iBook app, or either? The general discussion section would probably cover just talking paper books. Those other sections you mentioned are electronic-based so deal with computers, whereas paper books don't. The iBook app isn't our (as far as I am aware) so we probably don't need a section for it yet. That may go under the App Store forum too.

And don't you remember what Steve said, "people don't read anymore." :) Of course now Apple has an e-reader. I like books and reading personally.
 

cube

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The Digital Photography section actually covers all aspects of photography, being it analog or digital.

The same would Apply to this section: discussion about paper or electronic publications, writing, equipment, software.
 

angelwatt

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The same would Apply to this section: discussion about paper or electronic publications, writing, equipment, software.
In that case would it better named a Reading and Writing forum (that sounds a little too much like school)? Just trying to get more details (reasons) out so the mods can make an informed decision.
 

cube

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Yes, no problem, it was just the first name that came to my mind.
 
I personally would love a book discussion forum which encompasses paper books, eBooks, iBooks etc. I'm an avid reader and would love to share ideas about reading with other book fans on MacRumors (book club anyone)? So I would like an area more specialised then the general discussions forum. And with the advent of the iBook Store there will be more questions about books so a special forum is needed in my opinion.

King Mook Mook
 

JNB

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If there were dozens of threads being commented on daily in this topic area, I'm sure there's be a unique subforum. Thing is, there aren't. I don't think there's that much of a need or demand for a separate topic area (but then my opinion matters not one whit anyway).
 

MacDawg

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If there were dozens of threads being commented on daily in this topic area, I'm sure there's be a unique subforum. Thing is, there aren't. I don't think there's that much of a need or demand for a separate topic area (but then my opinion matters not one whit anyway).
There is the occasional "recommend me a book" or "favorite books" thread every month or two, but that's about it

Even the Kindle v. Nook threads are few and far between

With the iPad, there will be more interest, but I would think we need to wait and see how that plays out

Woof, Woof - Dawg
 

angelwatt

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If there were dozens of threads being commented on daily in this topic area, I'm sure there's be a unique subforum. Thing is, there aren't. I don't think there's that much of a need or demand for a separate topic area (but then my opinion matters not one whit anyway).
Well, there isn't a logical place for them to post these topics right now. It's a kind of chicken and the egg problem. If there was a dedicated area, people would be more inclined to discuss the topic. I've thought about the book idea too, but seeing as none of the forums fit this topic I simply haven't posted at all rather than putting it somewhere off topic.
 

MacDawg

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Most book discussions land in the community forum, which seems like a good place for them

The Kindle/Nook ones typically get put in the buying discussion forum

Maybe there will be more of a need down the road

Woof, Woof - Dawg
 

cube

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Community Discussion is not the proper place. It's a collection of random and many times weird topics.

Buying Tips is for *buying*.

With a low volume the subjects should not be separated.

Without a dedicated forum there's no place to go looking for discussions on the matter.
 

cube

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When it comes to publishing, there would be a bit of overlap with the Design forum, depending on the perspective of the topic.

A bit like video nowadays in the Photography forum.
 

xUKHCx

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Community Discussion is not the proper place. It's a collection of random and many times weird topics.

Buying Tips is for *buying*.

With a low volume the subjects should not be separated.

Without a dedicated forum there's no place to go looking for discussions on the matter.
Community is perfectly fine, it is not like we have a sports forum and there are plenty of very active sports threads in the community forum.

As others have said I hardly ever see books discussion so a books forum would be a little empty based on current trends. Obviously this may change over time but right now I would support a sports or TV or Movie forum over a books one.

There is a balancing act between having too many forums making it hard to navigate and everything becoming segrated or obviously leaving a sub section of people without a place.

I (basically have no more influence than you) don't really see the point at this moment in time.
 

cube

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It's harder to navigate if you bury everything in Community Discussion, instead of having text and sports forums.
 

JNB

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Community Discussion is not the proper place. It's a collection of random and many times weird topics.

Buying Tips is for *buying*.

With a low volume the subjects should not be separated.

Without a dedicated forum there's no place to go looking for discussions on the matter.
Not having a "proper place" (at least by your definition) is no reason not to post in Community. I'd suggest you start posting there and see what kind of traffic and general interest you receive. I'm sure the Admins would be willing to create a new forum if there's a demonstrated interest and sufficient topic-specific threads. Your arguments thus far are far from compelling, though.

I think that the Photography forum qualifies for its own spot is because of the combination of both technical and artistic discussions, and the fact that its also a place for discussion more of creation rather than consumption. Also, photography and Macs go hand-in-hand, similar to music and Macs, and have done so for a great while.

Perhaps in time, and should the iBooks Store allow for "vanity" publishing (along with FrontPage-ish tools to aid in novel development ;)), there is a likelihood that there will be greater interest. For now, not so much. Until then, I think the discussions would be limited to the "book of the month" type you mention, which Community suits just fine.

As interest grows, perhaps an alternative is to have an "Arts" forum, where the subs of Photography, Literature, Film/TV, and the like could be placed.
 

mkrishnan

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Not having a "proper place" (at least by your definition) is no reason not to post in Community.
This is not an "official" response, but in general, MR has created new forums when there was evidence of enough interest in discussing that area. If you look at MR, there are very few book discussions here now. If there come to be more such discussions, then certainly there would be serious consideration. Otherwise, it's hard to understand why books are different from, say, movies, or cars, both of which get more threads than books do, right now.

In the meantime, perhaps focus on making more substantive posts? Instead of posting single sentence posts, actually post a few paragraphs about your thoughts on a book, in the community discussion forum, and see where it leads.
 

cube

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Not having a "proper place" (at least by your definition) is no reason not to post in Community. I'd suggest you start posting there and see what kind of traffic and general interest you receive. I'm sure the Admins would be willing to create a new forum if there's a demonstrated interest and sufficient topic-specific threads. Your arguments thus far are far from compelling, though.

I think that the Photography forum qualifies for its own spot is because of the combination of both technical and artistic discussions, and the fact that its also a place for discussion more of creation rather than consumption. Also, photography and Macs go hand-in-hand, similar to music and Macs, and have done so for a great while.

Perhaps in time, and should the iBooks Store allow for "vanity" publishing (along with FrontPage-ish tools to aid in novel development ;)), there is a likelihood that there will be greater interest. For now, not so much. Until then, I think the discussions would be limited to the "book of the month" type you mention, which Community suits just fine.

As interest grows, perhaps an alternative is to have an "Arts" forum, where the subs of Photography, Literature, Film/TV, and the like could be placed.
Text is not "Community". It's "Special Interest", like Music, Photography, Video, Graphics.

Everybody deals with text.
 

JNB

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Text is not "Community". It's "Special Interest", like Music, Photography, Video, Graphics.

Everybody deals with text.
The Community forum does just fine with other, more discussed interests. In fact, here's a quick list of the most popular threads in just the first page of Community dealing with a couple of topics, and they're not found in the Specials. Books, however, are almost vacant from the entire forum, other than some stuff in PRSI and this thread. Again, where's the need? Even Food discussions garner more interest than books (or Text, if you prefer), and they reside happily in Community with no great hue and cry for a special place.

I don't see its worth as a Special Interests subforum until it's gotten enough traffic to justify creating it.
 

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cube

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Besides Nike+iPod, sport subjects have hardly anything to do with computers.

Text is a main activity with computers.
 

MacDawg

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Besides Nike+iPod, sport subjects have hardly anything to do with computers.

Text is a main activity with computers.
And yet oddly enough, without its own Forum, sports creates far more interest than "text"

Nobody is saying we shouldn't have a place for books/text
It just isn't currently warranted

It is possible, as JNB so eloquently posted, with the iPad and the iBook feature that it will develop and become practical

Woof, Woof - Dawg
 

cube

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And yet oddly enough, without its own Forum, sports creates far more interest than "text"
If I just search "Office" in the title, there are over 900 threads.

Text is more than just "Mac Application" or "Windows on the Mac"
 

MacDawg

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If I just search "Office" in the title, there are over 900 threads.

Text is more than just "Mac Application" or "Windows on the Mac"
I don't think you have defined the scope of your interest

When you said "books", it was too narrow
Now you say "text" and that is too broad

What is it that you really want?
Be specific

Woof, Woof - Dawg
 

cube

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I don't think you have defined the scope of your interest

When you said "books", it was too narrow
Now you say "text" and that is too broad

What is it that you really want?
Be specific
I said, a forum like "Digital Photography" where people actually also discuss film photography, work by photographers, technique, equipment and software from diverse vendors, ask for recommendations.

Any aspect of producing or consuming text.
 

JNB

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I said, a forum like "Digital Photography" where people actually also discuss film photography, work by photographers, technique, equipment and software from diverse vendors, ask for recommendations.

Any aspect of producing or consuming text.
So, the entire MacRumors forums, as everything here is either producing or consuming said text?

Seriously though, and at the risk of sounding liken a broken record, why should there be a separate forum for this when nobody—other than you, thus far—has expressed an interest in it?

Now I see even less of an argument for a specific forum.

And what exactly do 900 threads keyed on "Office" have to do with any of this?
 

MacDawg

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Do you have something you want to discuss right now about "text"?

Post a thread on it in the Community Forum
See how many people enter the discussion and go from there

Woof, Woof - Dawg